Romo vs Prescott: W-L Record when throwing 400+ yards

CowboyRoy · Sep 21, 2020

pansophy said:
Minus the fumble, I’m not sure I can find a complaint for Dak. Maybe don’t make Cooper make an amazing catch down the middle, but those aren’t high percentage at baseline.

And there you go. If Dak leads the WR, its that he leads him too much. Last week it was Dak's fault that he didn't lead Lamb enough. Yet both passes were caught.

How about the pass to Shultz? That was a thing of beauty.

Based on this performance and others over the last 5 years this team is NEVER out of it with Dak at QB. The bus driver comments are now null and void.

pansophy · Sep 21, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Always the exaggeration to make a point. Who are all these people that wants to make a case for Dak in the top 5?

Its like you haters are reduced to Dak not being worth 40 million or being a top 5 QB.

Honestly...…….its game over. None of you even thought he was franchise QB material. What ever happened to "average"? What ever happened to "bus driver"?

Are you admitting you were wrong about those things?

If you don’t remember all the comparisons to Dak being as good as Brees, Brady, and Rodgers then no wonder you have an ax to grind. There were a lot of those comparisons made.

And I wasn’t complaining about Dak’s throw to Cooper. It was the just the only play other than the fumble that was like “that could have been better”. I wasn’t using that as a case to say Dak isn’t good, and in fact the opposite because it was like the only play I could think of.

DFWJC · Sep 21, 2020

pansophy said:
This is correct, and a better TD/INT ratio. Romo does have more TDs.

Dak: 12 TDs / 5 INTs
Romo: 16 TDs / 10 INTs

Don't we think that maybe the opponent atters...or the t

pansophy said:
This is correct, and a better TD/INT ratio. Romo does have more TDs.

Dak: 12 TDs / 5 INTs
Romo: 16 TDs / 10 INTs

This is not a surprise.

Without too much thought, I virtually guarantee two things
1) that the years that Romo threw for 400 or more, the Cowboys had absolute crap teams.
2) that the teams they faced when he threw for that much had a combined far better record than those that Dak has done it against.

Maybe I'll eventually look it up, but it doesn't matter. There SO many moving parts involved here.

The bottom line was it was a gutsy performance by Dal and the team in the 2nd half yesterday.

Dale · Sep 21, 2020

But we've never lost a game when Brandon Weeden threw for 400+ yards.

pansophy · Sep 21, 2020

DFWJC said:
Don't we think that maybe the opponent atters...or the t

This is not a surprise.

Without too much thought, I virtually guarantee two things
1) that the years that Romo threw for 400 or more, the Cowboys had absolute crap teams.
2) that the teams they faced when he threw for that much had a combined far better record than those that Dak has done it against.

Maybe I'll eventually look it up, but it doesn't matter. There SO many moving parts involved here.

The bottom line was it was a gutsy performance by Dal and the team in the 2nd half yesterday.

https://www.statmuse.com/musings/da...rd-game-of-2019-tying-tony-romos-201-af7bb109

record
2010: 6-10
2012: 8-8
2013: 8-8

MikeB80 · Sep 21, 2020

SackMaster said:
True. But having to cover for bad defenses is not just a Romo-only thing.

yea but this stat is. a number of these games they had the lead and on the final possession the defense blew the game. two of the games off the top of my head are at ny 09 and tenn 10. had a lead and they blew it and cost the game.

same thing vs new orleans 12.

the idea behind this thread and the guys at the fan who all hate romo is that dak wins game romo could not.

its complete bs and typical of this place.

MoistMayonnaise · Sep 21, 2020

Last I checked, Romo wasn't our QB anymore.

DFWJC · Sep 21, 2020

pansophy said:
https://www.statmuse.com/musings/da...rd-game-of-2019-tying-tony-romos-201-af7bb109

record
2010: 6-10
2012: 8-8
2013: 8-8

Yep, as expected...granted, he didn't play half the games in 2010, but I'm sure everyone agrees that those teams were bad.

Plus, I did look up the opponents' records in those 400 yard games
Dak __29-36-1 (.38) Opponent records when Dak had 400+
Tony __45-35 (.56) Opponent records when Tony had 400+

So they were playing far better teams and he was playing on far worse teams.....hence, the record was worse.

Team game
Does not take away from the performances though

SackMaster · Sep 21, 2020

MikeB80 said:
yea but this stat is. a number of these games they had the lead and on the final possession the defense blew the game. two of the games off the top of my head are at ny 09 and tenn 10. had a lead and they blew it and cost the game.

same thing vs new orleans 12.

the idea behind this thread and the guys at the fan who all hate romo is that dak wins game romo could not.

its complete bs and typical of this place.

See, you took it as a dig at Romo and that is a you problem, not a me problem.

Some "fans" on here say things like "Dak can't carry the team (to wins)", when he clearly has on more than one occasion.

Sure, it was not always Romo's fault that his record did not always match his ability to carry the team, but to act like Dak has had it completely easy because he has had a "good defense" and/or "great offensive line" in every game / season he has been in Dallas is just false.

If you would like to see my stance on Romo / Dak, go read post #35 in this thread.

Javier · Sep 21, 2020

DFWJC said:
Yep, as expected...granted, he didn't play half the games in 2010, but I'm sure everyone agrees that those teams were bad.

Plus, I did look up the opponents' records in those 400 yard games
Dak __29-36-1 (.38) Opponent records when Dak had 400+
Tony __45-35 (.56) Opponent records when Tony had 400+

So they were playing far better teams and he was playing on far worse teams.....hence, the record was worse.

Team game
Does not take away from the performances though

For some people here football started to be a "team game" when Dak became the starter.

Whyjerry · Sep 21, 2020

Teague31 said:
Goes to show just how horrific those defenses were that Jerry trotted out during the Romo years

They were not that different from this defense.

DFWJC · Sep 21, 2020

Dale said:
But we've never lost a game when Brandon Weeden threw for 400+ yards.

DFWJC · Sep 21, 2020

Whyjerry said:
They were not that different from this defense.

2010 maybe, but 2012 and 2013 were some horrific defenses and offensive lines

One of those years, the D was 32nd ranked in the league....possibly the worst defense in Cowboy history...

DandyDon1722 · Sep 21, 2020

SackMaster said:
Just heard on 105.3 the fan:

Both Tony and Dak have had 5 400 passing yards regular season games.

Tony went 0-5 and Dak is 4-1.

Obviously you never go into a game planning on passing for 400+ yards, but it seems like Dak delivers more often than not when he is forced into those situations.

Feel free to discuss.

When you throw for 400+ yards in the NFL it is the result of coming from behind or keeping up with the opposition. That's nine 400+ yard games between the two of them and five for Dak in just under four years.. Troy had one 400 yard game in his entire career, in '98 against the Vikings and lost, mostly because he had good defenses.

The only thing that statistic shows is that anemic defenses have been the norm and continue to be around here for a long time for both Tony and Dak. Those types of games usually come down to who has the ball last and more than likely they will score because the defense hasn't stopped anybody all day anyhow - just like yesterday.

5Stars · Sep 21, 2020

I just love these Romo vs. Dak debates. I really do...it's like who's pecker is bigger! (JJ must have seen Dak in the shower like he saw Aikman). (maybe he saw Romo's small pecker in the shower).

And guess what? Rowdy was in a room full of cheerleaders. (yummy).

Both of those guys are athletes, love to compete, strong will to win...leaders in there own way. They both entered the league young dudes..one undrafted, one drafted.

One guy sat for awhile and learned how to play this game of football...when the coach said, "Get in...". After the snap...he messed it all up for our Cowboys. (choker). He went on to get the freaking hell beat out of him because of the coaching...but he had some good teams. He was young, just like the other guy is now. It was different times and places...he was an athlete...like this guy is.

It's literally impossible to compare the two...one played then, and one is playing now.

There are so many variables that go into a false narrative. I'm glad we had that one and this one.

Gonna smoke some good herb, get some guitar practice in... go look at my pecker. Love all around...watch for it.

Dreski · Sep 21, 2020

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SackMaster said:
I believe the state of the offensive line has been greatly exaggerated after 2016:

2016: Smith, Leary, Frederick, Martin, Free

This was the 3rd (and final) year of this offensive line

This was one hell of an oline for anyone to play behind

Yet Romo still was unable to stay healthy behind this line

No one other than Romo or Dak was able to win even when playing behind THIS line

2017: Smith, Cooper, Frederick, Martin, Collins

Cooper (who was a big pet cat of mine during his draft) was a big downgrade from Leary

Collins rookie year was not pretty and most were saying he should be moved to OG

2018: Smith, Williams, Looney, Martin, Collins

Fred was out, and while Looney was not terrible, he was average and a big downgrade

Williams rookie year was not great

Collins was still getting flak for being pretty inconsistent

2019: Smith, Williams, Frederick, Martin, Collins

Fred was back, but far from his old self (probably why he retired after the season)

People was calling for Williams to be replaced and/or benched

But at least Collins FINALLY played like a stud and after getting paid

2020 so far, ya, not good.

The Rams dominated them and Atlanta was dominating them early in the game until a couple of their front 7 defenders went down with injuries.

And none of those included Smith's yearly "miss almost a quarter of the season" and his backups have been trash that Dak has to deal with EVERY FREAKING YEAR.

Maybe none of those were as bad as some of the Romo lines, but there has been absolutely no consistency in the oline since Dak has been in the league.

In my opinion, 2014 was the best the O Line has been(in recent years)

Nav22 · Sep 21, 2020

I was a huge Romo fan and now I’m a huge Dak fan. Because I’m a Cowboys fan.

How anyone could not root like hell for their favorite team’s starting QB is beyond me.

Gangsta Spanksta · Sep 21, 2020

Teague31 said:
Goes to show just how horrific those defenses were that Jerry trotted out during the Romo years

They'll say excuse here, but when it is Dak you hear them blaming the defense. Dak has yet to play under a defense as bad as Romo had to nor with an offensive line where he is running for his life.

dfense · Sep 21, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
That's because Dak is better than Romo, hence why he took his job. You guys just put romo on a pedestal that was created in your minds that was not close to reality.

Maybe.

Just as you do now.

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