Should the Cowboys have gone for 2 on the 1st or 2nd TD?

lostar2009

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It was common sense while the game was live. You need 2 regardless, now or later. If anything I give MM much props for trying to win these games. But do think he need to tone down some of his decisions and really think as it will take the game away from us. Ex... Fake punt 4th and 5 with a run up the middle.
 

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I understand it - I would rather do it the other way. I think the play called was unimaginative and would have been better had they needed it to tie the score at the end. We are poor in short yardage plays.

I think I was more upset with the play call than the decision. I understand the decision.

For those thinking it was a great call.... with time running out and you need an onside kick and drive to score for the win or a 2 pt conversion to tie the game, which would you choose? - just flat out, what would your choice be?

I would play for the second scenario all of the time!

Once the try was missed I have read that we had a .1% chance to win. Once we got the first TD we had a 6% chance to recover the onside mulitplied by the percentage chance to drive to FG range multiplied by the percentage chance to make the FG

If the XP had been attempted and made, once we scored we had a 50% chance to tie.

That simple to me.

I can't believe this makes logical sense to people..and I've seen other people say the exact same thing..

This literally makes zero sense
 

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True but then that is why I am not an analytical guy, in my view every point matters and odds are much higher of getting the extra point than the 2 point conversion. In the end that point was the difference in the game.
At that point in the game did it really look like dallas could stop you from gettin 2 yards? Shout out to my boy JLew in coverage on that play. I like the aggressive call to put a team away as quickly as possible
 

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There are other variables too though. For example, if you fail on 2 points after the first TD it may cause you to take risky chances on defense knowing you need to score twice, and also take risky chances on offense knowing you have to score quickly enough to get another possession. Fundamentals and smart decisions can be replaced by desperation.

How about the reverse effect, which we also saw come into play in Sunday?

Atlanta had a 2 score lead and played conservatively. Do you think Dallas is getting a stop when Atlanta knows it's only a 1 score game? Yeah, I don't think so
 

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Disagree, any decision that you make that then makes it so you have to recover onside kick to win is a bad decision!

5 times out of 10 the team that kicks the xp in that situation and then scores later would tie the game.

1 time out of twenty at best, probably 1/30 or 40 statistically , the team that goes down by 9 wins the game.

You don’t understand the problem at hand because this post makes no sense. If you miss the two point try after the second TD, you still need an onside kick. You just need it later at a time when you are less likely to be able to do anything about it.
 

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I can't believe this makes logical sense to people..and I've seen other people say the exact same thing..

This literally makes zero sense
He would rather lose on a 2pt play at the end of the game rather than try the 2 early to see if you need to pick up the pace on your 2nd td drive to attempt an onside kick. If there is no urgency and playing for a tie with a 2pt conversion to end the game we 100% lose that game yesterday. Since we failed our 2pt conv.
 

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At that point in the game did it really look like dallas could stop you from gettin 2 yards? Shout out to my boy JLew in coverage on that play. I like the aggressive call to put a team away as quickly as possible

I get that but in the end it cost them, I take the points unless I don't trust my kicker.
 

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You don’t understand the problem at hand because this post makes no sense. If you miss the two point try after the second TD, you still need an onside kick. You just need it later at a time when you are less likely to be able to do anything about it.

The argument for not going for it seems to be...well you won't get the 2 pt early but you will get it later..why would I want to need 2 scores when I can need 1 later?

How stupid are these people Lolol
 

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You don’t understand the problem at hand because this post makes no sense. If you miss the two point try after the second TD, you still need an onside kick. You just need it later at a time when you are less likely to be able to do anything about it.
str8 facts
 

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He would rather lose on a 2pt play at the end of the game rather than try the 2 early to see if you need to pick up the pace on your 2nd td drive to attempt an onside kick. If there is no urgency and playing for a tie with a 2pt conversion to end the game we 100% lose that game yesterday. Since we failed our 2pt conv.

Nah, in LA la land, they always get the 2 pt play later..and they always miss earlier

Yeah, no crap. If that happened every time I would do it that way too..
 

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Nah, in LA la land, they always get the 2 pt play later..and they always miss earlier

Yeah, no crap. If that happened every time I would do it that way too..
lol for real sign me up too
 

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He would rather lose on a 2pt play at the end of the game rather than try the 2 early to see if you need to pick up the pace on your 2nd td drive to attempt an onside kick. If there is no urgency and playing for a tie with a 2pt conversion to end the game we 100% lose that game yesterday. Since we failed our 2pt conv.

True had we got the TD and extra point on the 1st TD then on the next possession you do not worry as much about the time on the clock and in you get down inside the 10 you very well could milk the clock a bit just to make sure Alt would not get the ball back, leaving it to a TD and 2 point to win or lose. At the least when Dallas failed on the 2 point we knew exactly what we had to do. Either way though the odds of making a comeback like the Cowboys did is very slim, especially when we know the onside kick success rate is very low. I think people are making a big much of this
 

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Nobody is even talking about the advantage Dallas received by being 2 scores down vs 1...I'm not suggesting it's better or to play to be behind more..but it definitely worked out in Dallas favor..

Being down 9, Atlanta played conservatively..and Dallas got a stop..up 8, I doubt Atlanta plays it the same Way...I also doubt Dallas gets a stop
 

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Hindsight is 20/20 but in the moment that was the right call. If we could tell the future that's a different story

I get that but again I can only say I would take the more sure points, it is not the 1st time analytics have backfired on a team
 

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Nobody is even talking about the advantage Dallas received by being 2 scores down vs 1...I'm not suggesting it's better or to play to be behind more..but it definitely worked out in Dallas favor..

Being down 9, Atlanta played conservatively..and Dallas got a stop..up 8, I doubt Atlanta plays it the same Way...I also doubt Dallas gets a stop
Atlanta threw the ball on second down when Dallas was out of timeouts. I don't particularly recall the routes but it looked like a slow developing play because Ryan held the ball forever and got sacked. ATL threw it again on third down...they weren't particularly conservative.

Having said that, you can't make a decision to go for 2 or not based on what you think the other team's approach is going to be, regardless. That will burn you.
 

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It happened exactly as it should have to give us a weeks worth of threads over the usual doom and gloom.
Also it happened exactly as it should have to increase everyones blood pressure, but yet, have another drink.
:lmao2:

My initial thought was get the point after. Go for 2 later. However as I listen to MM, and on here. In hindsight it was the right thing.

The other question, I seen some pundits asking, why did Atlanta go for 2. You are up 26-7, and yes it would make it a 21 point lead. But still a 3 score lead. However that extra point did not matter in the end. But this may have changed MM's way of thinking later on.
 
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