Oline Coach Philbin is doing a terrific job

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Who would’ve thought that shortening the passing game would help against the pass rush?

I wonder if Garrett has learned that yet or if he’s still processing.
It's, a, process...mayne
 

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Who would’ve thought that shortening the passing game would help against the pass rush?

I wonder if Garrett has learned that yet or if he’s still processing.
Doesn't matter since he can't compute
 

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I re-watched the second half of the Falconds game last night and I was surprised how well LT Knight played. He also had no problem jumping into a pile of players to move it forward. That's something Tyron doesn't bother to do anymore. Might be some future there at LT that doesn't coast a #1 pick.
 

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Who would’ve thought that shortening the passing game would help against the pass rush?

I wonder if Garrett has learned that yet or if he’s still processing.
Princeton analytics without a supercomputer is hard bro. It takes time.
 

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Don’t forget that McGovern was drafted by the previous regime that ran much more of a man-blocking scheme. McCarthy and Philbin run a pure zone-blocking scheme (which I much prefer) like Bill Callahan did. The nimble, movement linemen will be better for that scheme.

When McGovern was drafted they talked about how he already had NFL power, which fans liked because Williams had been over-powered a few times. It was assumed then that McGovern would eventually overtake Williams at LG.

Williams however, has much better movement skills, which Philbin is going to covet for his zone scheme, and I knew that would give him a leg up in the competition. The same goes for Looney, who can really move well. Both are made for Philbin’s Zone scheme. They fit like gloves.

That’s not to say that McGovern can’t succeed in a zone-blocking scheme but he simply can’t move like Williams and Looney can, which is going to hurt McGovern’s chances IMO.

Anyway, I still have hopes for McG... but Williams is playing well in this scheme. Like x-walker said, he simply doesn’t need to be replaced because he’s been good, and will only get better as the line gels.

I’ve been wanting the Cowboys to go back to this blocking scheme ever since Bill Callahan left. This scheme is what helped make the Dallas OL become the best in football in 2014 and, IMO, is much more difficult for defenses to deal with. It was one of the biggest things that excited me about McCarthy coming to Dallas.

Once they play a few games together, say by mid season, this OL will start to gel and get used to Philbin’s scheme... and they are going to become very dangerous again. Elliott is going to have a good season IMO.
that all makes good sense. mcgovern has a good pedigree having played at penn state. maybe just needs a little more time to get the hang of things.
 

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Letting it go is a process ;)

Garrett earned it with all the heartburn he caused with the Dallas fanbase!

It is a process. I read that it takes one year for each year Garrett to recover and remove the heartburn. Don't shoot the messenger. That just happens to be the process.
 

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The Seahags don't have any legit edge rushers so Philbin should have another week of being worshipped as the greatest OL coach of all-time!!!
Wish I could agree.
This team is about to get an *** whoopin of epic proportions.
I like certain facets of this team, but this defense is about to get totally exposed.
Wilson will shred this D.
 

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Takk and Fowler out or not, the outcome was still wildly unexpected and pleasing.

Of every "what-if", there's always another. What if they never went out? Well yeah, what if Smith and Collins weren't out?

You play the team that suits uo and lines up against you on the opposite side of the LoS, and Dallas did well enough with what they had available.
 

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Don’t forget that McGovern was drafted by the previous regime that ran much more of a man-blocking scheme. McCarthy and Philbin run a pure zone-blocking scheme (which I much prefer) like Bill Callahan did. The nimble, movement linemen will be better for that scheme.

When McGovern was drafted they talked about how he already had NFL power, which fans liked because Williams had been over-powered a few times. It was assumed then that McGovern would eventually overtake Williams at LG.

Williams however, has much better movement skills, which Philbin is going to covet for his zone scheme, and I knew that would give him a leg up in the competition. The same goes for Looney, who can really move well. Both are made for Philbin’s Zone scheme. They fit like gloves.

That’s not to say that McGovern can’t succeed in a zone-blocking scheme but he simply can’t move like Williams and Looney can, which is going to hurt McGovern’s chances IMO.

Anyway, I still have hopes for McG... but Williams is playing well in this scheme. Like x-walker said, he simply doesn’t need to be replaced because he’s been good, and will only get better as the line gels.

I’ve been wanting the Cowboys to go back to this blocking scheme ever since Bill Callahan left. This scheme is what helped make the Dallas OL become the best in football in 2014 and, IMO, is much more difficult for defenses to deal with. It was one of the biggest things that excited me about McCarthy coming to Dallas.

Once they play a few games together, say by mid season, this OL will start to gel and get used to Philbin’s scheme... and they are going to become very dangerous again. Elliott is going to have a good season IMO.

Really ?
Williams has a been on the ground way too often in both these past 2 games (and it hasn't been just Aaron Donald)

- and whether OL or DL, you don't want to see linemen constantly on the ground.
It doesn't show anchor, balance or knee bend. CW has been playing decent at best, he's not standing out- but he's handling himself just enough to allow
us to get by in both phases pass and run.

- Only thing i tend wonder is how much Williams still recovering from ACL injury per 2019....and some guys need at least a year to return to previous form.

- Plus are most guys in NFL overall are still adjusting to hitting and playing mode and needing to work out the kinks and rust ?
And how long will that take in to get back into that mode ?
And will there be more soft tissue injuries per no off-season/limited summer? .., and hopefully no tragic injuries as around the NFL
 

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LOL. You really want to die on that hill dont you?

It is really a waste of your time trying to discuss coaches with Duncanlso.

He's still trying to process that Garrett, Richard and Colombo aren't here anymore and that Garrett is only a crappy OC in NY and Richard couldn't even get a DBs job this offseason.
 

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Don’t forget that McGovern was drafted by the previous regime that ran much more of a man-blocking scheme. McCarthy and Philbin run a pure zone-blocking scheme (which I much prefer) like Bill Callahan did. The nimble, movement linemen will be better for that scheme.

When McGovern was drafted they talked about how he already had NFL power, which fans liked because Williams had been over-powered a few times. It was assumed then that McGovern would eventually overtake Williams at LG.

Williams however, has much better movement skills, which Philbin is going to covet for his zone scheme, and I knew that would give him a leg up in the competition. The same goes for Looney, who can really move well. Both are made for Philbin’s Zone scheme. They fit like gloves.

That’s not to say that McGovern can’t succeed in a zone-blocking scheme but he simply can’t move like Williams and Looney can, which is going to hurt McGovern’s chances IMO.

Anyway, I still have hopes for McG... but Williams is playing well in this scheme. Like x-walker said, he simply doesn’t need to be replaced because he’s been good, and will only get better as the line gels.

I’ve been wanting the Cowboys to go back to this blocking scheme ever since Bill Callahan left. This scheme is what helped make the Dallas OL become the best in football in 2014 and, IMO, is much more difficult for defenses to deal with. It was one of the biggest things that excited me about McCarthy coming to Dallas.

Once they play a few games together, say by mid season, this OL will start to gel and get used to Philbin’s scheme... and they are going to become very dangerous again. Elliott is going to have a good season IMO.

- McGovern is in his 2nd year technically, but he is really a rookie. A torn pec in 2019 totally cancelled out any chance of him learning on the field, even in OTA's and camp. Add that to this year when this vastly limited off season (no conditioning program) and camp is the first time he's hit the playing field and practice against players in the NFL.

So I'm just wild-guessing here, that because of the aforementioned problematic issues, McGov may be behind in techniques and OL nuisances,
and he may still in a catch up mode more than expected, for a.highly regarded interior player coming out of Penn State and as high as McClay
rated him on their draft board.
Quite frankly McGovern should've easily be primary backup.

If anyone has researched up on McGovern knows he is no stiff. He's not as athletic as Williams is, (as who is.on the roster?) but he
has athletic traits of his own.. If he is that regarded as a prospect, he should be operational and suited to
both man or zone. He couldn't be a dual OG/C prospect if he wasn't.
 

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Don’t forget that McGovern was drafted by the previous regime that ran much more of a man-blocking scheme. McCarthy and Philbin run a pure zone-blocking scheme (which I much prefer) like Bill Callahan did. The nimble, movement linemen will be better for that scheme.

I’ve been wanting the Cowboys to go back to this blocking scheme ever since Bill Callahan left. This scheme is what helped make the Dallas OL become the best in football in 2014 and, IMO, is much more difficult for defenses to deal with. It was one of the biggest things that excited me about McCarthy coming to Dallas.

Once they play a few games together, say by mid season, this OL will start to gel and get used to Philbin’s scheme... and they are going to become very dangerous again. Elliott is going to have a good season IMO.

The reason why i was interested in returning to the zone blocking scheme, is the chance for more chunk, game breaking run plays. the kind that
displayed the 2016 zeke hitting the patented 40-60 yard runs,.and we were running the zone scheme under Frank Pollard in 2016.
The zone scheme seems more design- suited for cut- back lanes than the 90's man power scheme.
Though i'm still not yet seeing that explosive, breakaway gear or runs from Zeke at this point.

As for pass blocking, i could except either schemes so long as the result is protecting the QB. Cowboys were 2nd in NFL in least sacks allowed.
and for a team that passed more than it ran the ball, and emphasized a vertical push in the pass game, i'm just as satisfied with that.
 

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Wish I could agree.
This team is about to get an *** whoopin of epic proportions.
I like certain facets of this team, but this defense is about to get totally exposed.
Wilson will shred this D.
I certainly agree. However, Dak will shred their D as well.

I think sometimes fans forget when there is a QB showdown that the opposing QB doesn't play defense. Seattles D is actually worse than the Falcons with worse pass rushers.

I think the deciding factor in the game even with the big numbers that both QB's put up will be Zeke's impact. Seattle will have to respect that he is there and when Zeke runs he will physically dominate.
 

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I certainly agree. However, Dak will shred their D as well.

I think sometimes fans forget when there is a QB showdown that the opposing QB doesn't play defense. Seattles D is actually worse than the Falcons with worse pass rushers.

I think the deciding factor in the game even with the big numbers that both QB's put up will be Zeke's impact. Seattle will have to respect that he is there and when Zeke runs he will physically dominate.
That is the impact and you identified well,, its the running game of Zeke that opens up everything that Dak can do.
Both have to be effective, or this team will loose on most weeks.
 

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I re-watched the second half of the Falconds game last night and I was surprised how well LT Knight played. He also had no problem jumping into a pile of players to move it forward. That's something Tyron doesn't bother to do anymore. Might be some future there at LT that doesn't coast a #1 pick.

he sets too deep on pass blocking.

He's almost on top of Dak.

Pray that TSmith is back.
 

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The Seahags don't have any legit edge rushers so Philbin should have another week of being worshipped as the greatest OL coach of all-time!!!

I don't think anyone is worshiping the coach... it's just an OBVIOUS observation.

Jeez. I guess some so-called fans just do not have the capacity to be happy with an outcome.
 

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I don't think anyone is worshiping the coach... it's just an OBVIOUS observation.

Jeez. I guess some so-called fans just do not have the capacity to be happy with an outcome.
Jeez I guess some fans can't appreciate sarcasm
 
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