Team PFF Grades Updated (Week 2)

JBell

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PFF relies on your average football fan from twitter to do the grading. No seriously.

All unpaid work too. It's a joke, but people will keep giving it credibility as long as ya'll keep talking about it.
 

Hennessy_King

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PFF relies on your average football fan from twitter to do the grading. No seriously.

All unpaid work too. It's a joke, but people will keep giving it credibility as long as ya'll keep talking about it.
This is not true. Go look it up.

PFF grades every NFL player on every play on a scale of -2 to +2 using half point increments.[6] The grades are based on context and performance. A four-yard run that gains a first down after two broken tackles will receive a better grade than a four-yard run on 3rd & 5, where the ball carrier does nothing more than expected. A quarterback who makes a good pass that a receiver tips into the arms of a defender will not negatively affect the quarterback's grade on that play, despite the overall negative result for the team.

Furthermore, grades are separated by play type. Beyond just an overall grade, an offensive lineman receives one grade for pass-blocking and one for run-blocking.[7] The average grade is meant to be zero, and raw grades are normalized.

In watching every game, PFF is also able to record information and create data that is typically unavailable. One example is how frequently individual offensive linemen yield pressure
 

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I don't care much for pff either, but it shows what I've been saying for a long time, and that is dak is one of the best players on the field.
 

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That's because gentlemen like yourself don't realize that the end result of the play doesn't matter to the grade. It focuses just on that player for that play good or bad.

Yes, you are 100% correct in the fact that I am ignorant to the grading system.

What confused me the most was Shultz. Now, before I dig myself too deep of a hole, are these grades over the span of both weeks? Or is this a week to week thing?

Because Shultzs performance was top 5 TE, as far as receiving goes. So my two thoughts were s follows:
1)The grade is an average of combined playing time
2)The grade factors in things related to the position as a whole, things that I don't see, like blocking assignments and route running

I'm not entirely dissing PFF as a whole, I'm just thoroughly confused.
 

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In 2014, sports commentator and former NFL player Cris Collinsworth bought a majority interest in the service, which moved its operations to Cincinnati, near where Collinsworth lives in Ft. Thomas, Kentucky. PFF began collecting data for every NCAA Division-I college football game in 2014.

As of 2019, PFF provides customized data to all 32 NFL teams, 74 NCAA FBS teams, 4 CFL teams, national/regional media (i.e. Washington Post, The Athletic, ESPN) and sports agencies/agents.

PFF grades every NFL player on every play on a scale of -2 to +2 using half point increments .The grades are based on context and performance. A four-yard run that gains a first down after two broken tackles will receive a better grade than a four-yard run on 3rd & 5, where the ball carrier does nothing more than expected. A quarterback who makes a good pass that a receiver tips into the arms of a defender will not negatively affect the quarterback's grade on that play, despite the overall negative result for the team.

Furthermore, grades are separated by play type. Beyond just an overall grade, an offensive lineman receives one grade for pass-blocking and one for run-blocking .The average grade is meant to be zero, and raw grades are normalized.
 

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PFF relies on your average football fan from twitter to do the grading. No seriously.

All unpaid work too. It's a joke, but people will keep giving it credibility as long as ya'll keep talking about it.
Seems like there are 2 schools of thought on PFF. Folks either love 'em or hate 'em.

It might not be an absolutely accurate grading system, but it's a pretty good measure of who's balling & who needs to just sit down.
 

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how do you figure? do you watch every snap of every single game to put a better grading system together? Or you are just salty that dak is 6th in the nfl
That's my thing. People are quick to discredit PFF because they don't like what it says....but if we are being honest....this is far more credible than any stat people will put up. I don't take 100% of what it says but its a good basis for what's going on.
 

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Let's give it up for Joe Thomas and Xavier Woods.....wow. Joe Thomas is definitely always around the football when you see him on gameday.

And to me this is why you have to factor in there may be some validity to these scores because Joe Thomas does look good but his stats don't really tell the whole story.
 

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PFF relies on your average football fan from twitter to do the grading. No seriously.

All unpaid work too. It's a joke, but people will keep giving it credibility as long as ya'll keep talking about it.

PFF employs over 600 full or part-time analysts, but less than 10% of analysts are trained to the level that they can grade plays. Only the top two to three percent of analysts are on the team of “senior analysts” in charge of finalizing each grade after review. Our graders have been training for months, and sometimes years, in order to learn, understand and show mastery of our process that includes our 300-page training manual and video playbook. We have analysts from all walks of life, including former players, coaches and scouts. We don’t care if you played.

Each grade is reviewed at least once, and usually multiple times, using every camera angle available, including All-22 coaches’ tape.

I know Jordan Palmer ex QB does PFF grading. They stick to a simple system and every player is graded exactly the same.
 

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Let's give it up for Joe Thomas and Xavier Woods.....wow. Joe Thomas is definitely always around the football when you see him on gameday.

And to me this is why you have to factor in there may be some validity to these scores because Joe Thomas does look good but his stats don't really tell the whole story.
Exactly if PFF told me joe thomas played terrible I would be highly suspect. But they are pretty spot on with who plays well and who doesn't.
 

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Yes, you are 100% correct in the fact that I am ignorant to the grading system.

What confused me the most was Shultz. Now, before I dig myself too deep of a hole, are these grades over the span of both weeks? Or is this a week to week thing?

Because Shultzs performance was top 5 TE, as far as receiving goes. So my two thoughts were s follows:
1)The grade is an average of combined playing time
2)The grade factors in things related to the position as a whole, things that I don't see, like blocking assignments and route running

I'm not entirely dissing PFF as a whole, I'm just thoroughly confused.
If you read the first 2 sentences of my post it states the grades are for the entire season not just last week.
 

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Lawrence's contract has him as the 3rd highest paid DE , and he's ranked AT FIFTY.............:facepalm:
 
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