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Aerolithe_Lion

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Sure prognosticators can be wrong about particular SB-caliber teams but it doesn’t take away from there consistently being more than 2 SB-caliber teams on year to year basis.

Giants were 9-7 in 2009 and won the SB after upsetting a 15-1 defending SB champion GB team with Aaron Rodgers.

does that mean the Packers weren’t a SB caliber team?

of course not. That’s absurd.


Super Bowl caliber can mean they’re really good. But what if 5 teams are Super Bowl caliber? 10 teams? What if in a fluke year 15 teams are playing out of their mind. Would you entertain 15 super bowl caliber franchises? At some point is just becomes a silly term people throw around for whatever reason.

conversely, you can win without being anywhere near Super Bowl caliber, the teams around you just have to be worse than you. Can that not make you super bowl caliber as well?
 

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those are my words

and these are your words:




Now show me at any point where I disputed my first quote

but as I said before, it’s relative. It doesn’t matter how we look, you could say we looked worse than you last year. But we moved on To the second season while you sat on the couch. Looking Worse or looking better doesnt win football games.


Need anything else?

Let me guess, it's 'different' when it comes to your team...

:rolleyes:
 

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It's official, you are terrible at math.

:facepalm:

here’s some math for you: 12% is approximately 1 in 8. There are currently 11 0-2 teams, so by that standard 1, if not 2 are potentially playoff bound. Philly has just as good a shot as the others. Better than some even.
 

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Need anything else?

Let me guess, it's 'different' when it comes to your team...

:rolleyes:

What part? Where you said I double talked when you actually know I didn’t? You’re saying I’d let that slide if I were a cowboys fan?
 

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As an FYI, I don't believe that any team has ever started the season 0-4 and went to the Super Bowl. I mean, is it impossible? No, it is mathematically possible but not really.
 

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As an FYI, I don't believe that any team has ever started the season 0-4 and went to the Super Bowl. I mean, is it impossible? No, it is mathematically possible but not really.

Hmm....

Philly was 0-2 in 2003, being outscored 10-47 and made the NFCCG. That’s the only immediate comparison I have now, but SB would be hard. Has anyone even ever lost more than the Emmitt holdout year?
 

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Super Bowl caliber can mean they’re really good. But what if 5 teams are Super Bowl caliber? 10 teams? What if in a fluke year 15 teams are playing out of their mind. Would you entertain 15 super bowl caliber franchises? At some point is just becomes a silly term people throw around for whatever reason.

conversely, you can win without being anywhere near Super Bowl caliber, the teams around you just have to be worse than you. Can that not make you super bowl caliber as well?

SB-caliber SHOULD be defined as winning enough games against your competition to give you a favorable chance to make the SB.

By your reasoning a team could be 16-0 going into the playoffs, yet if some subjective observer determines their opponents all sucked (using what standard exactly?) they wouldn’t be a SB caliber team.

again, every year multiple teams have realistic chances of winning the SB based on prior years success. This list of teams can change as the season progresses. However going into the playoffs there are generally multiple SB-caliber teams that have plausible paths to the championship.

are you honestly arguing this? Like are you saying that every year there are only two SB-caliber teams?

That’s a post hoc rationalization fallacy and is a huge red flag that you’re just a ******* troll lmao
 

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SB-caliber SHOULD be defined as winning enough games against your competition to give you a favorable chance to make the SB.

By your reasoning a team could be 16-0 going into the playoffs, yet if some subjective observer determines their opponents all sucked (using what standard exactly?) they wouldn’t be a SB caliber team.

again, every year multiple teams have realistic chances of winning the SB based on prior years success. This list of teams can change as the season progresses. However going into the playoffs there are generally multiple SB-caliber teams that have plausible paths to the championship.

are you honestly arguing this? Like are you saying that every year there are only two SB-caliber teams?

That’s a post hoc rationalization fallacy and is a huge red flag that you’re just a ******* troll lmao

no that wasn’t my reasoning, my reasoning is there’s nothing definable about being Super Bowl caliber any more than just being a team that’s good at winning football games. I just don’t personally enroll in empty terms like that, but it’s fine if you want to.

No need to name call
 

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here’s some math for you: 12% is approximately 1 in 8. There are currently 11 0-2 teams, so by that standard 1, if not 2 are potentially playoff bound. Philly has just as good a shot as the others. Better than some even.

12%.

And let's face it, you've managed to stumble through an easy early schedule that should have set you up for a good record - starting with a bad Washington team still trying to figure things out, and then a home game against the Rams. Your schedule only gets tougher from here. You can fool yourself about it, but not me.
 

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no that wasn’t my reasoning, my reasoning is there’s nothing definable about being Super Bowl caliber any more than just being a team that’s good at winning football games. No need to name call

and what other definitional standard would you use to define a SB-caliber team?


It’s NECESSARILY a part of the definition that a SB-caliber team is a “really good team at winning football games”.

You like arguing semantics don’t you?
 

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What part? Where you said I double talked when you actually know I didn’t? You’re saying I’d let that slide if I were a cowboys fan?

The part where you falsely claimed the Cowboys "looked worse" and then tried to claim that "looking better or worse didn't matter". Your hypocrisy is showing.

Or are you reduced to blatant trolling at this point?
 

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12%.

And let's face it, you've managed to stumble through an easy early schedule that should have set you up for a good record - starting with a bad Washington team still trying to figure things out, and then a home game against the Rams. Your schedule only gets tougher from here. You can fool yourself about it, but not me.

Heard the same thing through 3 games last year. “Cowboys took care of the easy teams and eagles couldn’t, this division is a wrap.”
 

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and what other definitional standard would you use to define a SB-caliber team?


It’s NECESSARILY a part of the definition that a SB-caliber is a “really good team at winning football games”.

You like arguing semantics don’t you?

If I’m arguing semantics then you are too, I can’t argue it with myself.

I define teams by what they do, not what they maybe might or might not do. So I don’t define that term at all because it’s empty words
 

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Heard the same thing through 3 games last year. “Cowboys took care of the easy teams and eagles couldn’t, this division is a wrap.”

Sure you did.

Pull up that 'fake quote' strawman.

You're reduced to being a troll at this point because you're getting your *** kicked at every turn.
 

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Hey look! Another team badly overpaid a QB, leaving them with little depth and as a result they look terrible. Therefore, we should happily give Dak an even bigger contract.
 

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The part where you falsely claimed the Cowboys "looked worse" and then tried to claim that "looking better or worse didn't matter". Your hypocrisy is showing.

Or are you reduced to blatant trolling at this point?

no, and no. You’re removing context, that’s never the right way to prove a point. Me saying the cowboys looked worse was never to insinuate it defined how they’d play moving forward, and you know that. I’ve said at least 4 times now it’s only 2 games.
 

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If I’m arguing semantics then you are too, I can’t argue it with myself.

I define teams by what they do, not what they maybe might or might not do. So I don’t define that term at all because it’s empty words

Lol ok.

So how would you define the 2011 15-1 Packers and 9-7 Giants going into the playoffs?
 

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Hey look! Another team badly overpaid a QB, leaving them with little depth and as a result they look terrible. Therefore, we should happily give Dak an even bigger contract.

yeah and Wentz has had major injury issues.

Dak hasn’t.

But I guess that’s just a minor detail.
 
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