Zeke is easily the best player on this team

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Aviano90

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Are they just better than Zeke? Who are you asking about specifically?
It sounds like you want to cherry pick an area you feel Zeke is the weakest in statistically and use this single category to either keep an argument going with an internet guy or you actually believe the best RB in the league is measured just by the guy with the longest runs. If we were discussing WR's would you find the guy with the highest average yards per catch and argue he was the best due to this 1 stat category?

I feel a little strange actually arguing with someone about just big plays. Not trying to be rude but it seems like an argument my 11 year old son has on the school bus with this friend Jackson. Jackson is that you?
But big plays are what has differentiated 2016 Zeke from the 2017-2020 versions. I am not the one trying to proclaim 2016 Zeke is back when the one element that has changed since then hasn’t yet been on display. Seems to me you chimed in to blame it on the OL.

I am literally dumbfounded by the argument myself. And for the record, I didn’t start an argument. You responded to my stand alone comment.
 
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Who has been a better back than Zeke since he entered the league?

Factored into the answer is durability which is even more impressive than for a QB given how much punishment a running back actually takes.

How has Derrick Henry looked so far this season after taking a lot of hits last season?

All different arguments there. There have been plenty that look better. Not many that have had the opportunities and line that Zeke has had.

Henry looks just fine from where I am standing. His big games are coming no doubt about it.

Zeke is definitely top 3 in durability, but that's about it as far as I would go with him. Vision, speed, moves, quickness he just doesn't compare with some other backs.

And considering his strength and toughness, he isn't as effective as you would think in short yardage and GL situations. And considering his opportunities, oline, and offense that he plays in his TD numbers are not what they should be.

Then when you get into money and value the arguments only get worse for Zeke. Now add in the off the field stupidity, the immaturity, and lack of leadership and again, it gets worse.
 

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But big plays are what has differentiated 2016 Zeke from the 2017-2020 versions. I am not the one trying to proclaim 2016 Zeke is back when the one element that has changed since then hasn’t yet been on display. Seems to me you chimed in to blame it on the OL.

I am literally dumbfounded by the argument myself. And for the record, I didn’t start an argument. You responded to my stand alone comment.
All I said was 2020 Zeke doesnt have the OL 2016 Zeke did.
Are you arguing that he does and therefore we should hold him to the 2016 standard?
Honestly I am not even sure what you are arguing. You jumped around a little.

My position is simple. In my opinion 2020 Zeke would have similiar results to 2016 Zeke if he was running behind the 2016 OL.
Pointing to big plays (2 games in) doesn't change this.

You don't have to agree with me. Thats ok. Just don't put words in my mouth to argue a position. I find that strange.
 

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All I said was 2020 Zeke doesnt have the OL 2016 Zeke did.
Are you arguing that he does and therefore we should hold him to the 2016 standard?
Honestly I am not even sure what you are arguing. You jumped around a little.

My position is simple. In my opinion 2020 Zeke would have similiar results to 2016 Zeke if he was running behind the 2016 OL.
Pointing to big plays (2 games in) doesn't change this.

You don't have to agree with me. Thats ok. Just don't put words in my mouth to argue a position. I find that strange.
You are the one who engaged me. If you didn’t understand what I said then perhaps you shouldn’t have responded in the first place.

And I do disagree with you.

Good day, sir.
 

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Best Player on team?

When did this become a thing.

Was Troy Aikman the best player on the 90's team, was Emmitt Smith the best player, was Micheal Irvin the best player, who gives a crap who the best player on the team is.

As long as we have a freaking team that plays well. I hate these stupid threads,
 

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Your best players:
Dak
Zeke

no close 3rd but as a collective you'd say the WR corps.

Dak and Zeke have been far better at their positions than any other Cowboys even Zach Martin who is routinely top 3 at OG.
 

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Maybe. But that just means a lot of guys have underperformed their deals for us so far. The replacement cost for a RB is still relatively cheap, and the position just doesn’t affect the outcomes of games very much.
This is just not true.
Zeke's overall ability very much effects games.
His pass blocking alone is worth a ton.

You don't replace Zeke with a RB.
You replace him with a RB who can run, a TE who can block and a slot back who can break tackles in the open field.

This is one of the ways analytics has been misused.

TOP RB are all getting paid in that 13-15M AAV. They have a very definite value and impact on winning.
 

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I've been critical. He has definitely come into seasons out of shape. He looked like he had lost a step. But he is easily the best player on this team. He is a good to great runner, a pretty good pass catcher, a great blocker and helps to keep the team organized on the field. He is worth the money.

If your rb fumbles 2 times in the beginning of the game, loses one for 7 points is you best player then help us god.
 

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Zeke is worth every dime he's paid. Best rb in nfl. One of the very few 3 down backs in the game.

It’s funny that every year there is “someone better” than Zeke.

After his rookie year...David Johnson
After his sophomore year...La’Veon Bell
After his 3rd season...Saquon Barkley or Todd Gurley
After his 4th season..McAffrey

Somehow Zeke is always the last one standing. Durability is not easy to come by if you’re a running back.
 

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Did you forget Zach Martin? He is easily the best player on the team. Not sure there's a close 2nd.

I dunno, after watching Zach get ragdolled a couple of times by Aaron Donald my opinion of him dropped a notch or two. He also failed to move his man a couple of times in the goal to go situations which resulted in our not scoring until we went to the trickeration with Dak where the entire defense attached Zeke and let Dak walk in. All that said, overall I still think Zeke is the best player on this team but I would not go so far as to throw "easily" in there about anybody. Several players are playing at or near the top of the league and he's one of them. The problem is that not enough of our guys are doing so to this point. That has to change, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
 

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It’s funny that every year there is “someone better” than Zeke.

After his rookie year...David Johnson
After his sophomore year...La’Veon Bell
After his 3rd season...Saquon Barkley or Todd Gurley
After his 4th season..McAffrey

Somehow Zeke is always the last one standing. Durability is not easy to come by if you’re a running back.

I predicted at least one torn ACL for Barkley after watching him play one game. He's too big to use the Barry Sanders running style. Physics is working against him. Gurley came into the league with 35 year old knees so everybody knew he wasn't going to last and McCaffrey is about 20 pounds too light to stay healthy as a feature back. The same can be said of Dalvin Cook. Bell is a headcase and David Johnson was clearly a one-year wonder. Zeke is the one who will be "one of the best in the game" for 10 years. He won't always be the one having the best season.. but he's always going to be one of the best backs in the league.
 

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I don’t disagree with the OP. Zeke’s talent is massive. We are talking a complete package of durability and running back skill sets that is comparable with the greatest to ever play.

Barring injuries or a sudden lack of desire to play the game, he’s going to be in Canton.
 

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I've been critical. He has definitely come into seasons out of shape. He looked like he had lost a step. But he is easily the best player on this team. He is a good to great runner, a pretty good pass catcher, a great blocker and helps to keep the team organized on the field. He is worth the money.
He is a great player. I just wish we used him as a pass catcher. Having seen how great he is, we should be using Pollard even more. It may not sound logical but, I want to keep Zeke fresh all season. We should limit his touches and the extra pounding he takes because of his style.
Pollard should get 5-8 touches per week.
 

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Your best players:
Dak
Zeke

no close 3rd but as a collective you'd say the WR corps.

Dak and Zeke have been far better at their positions than any other Cowboys even Zach Martin who is routinely top 3 at OG.
No way . this is not true .
Zeke was not consistent last year at all despite his cost , same as dak . Value wise .
 

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Zeke is definitely not the best back in the NFL. Zeke is definitely NOT with the money. Im convinced that many of you don't even watch any other teams play.


There were two better backs in the Monday night game this week.
You're entitled to your opinion. The season is not defined by one monday night game, rather over a 16 game season. I'm convinced some post before thinking.
 

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You're entitled to your opinion. The season is not defined by one monday night game, rather over a 16 game season. I'm convinced some post before thinking.

Ive watched Zeke for 4 years now.
 

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I've been critical. He has definitely come into seasons out of shape. He looked like he had lost a step. But he is easily the best player on this team. He is a good to great runner, a pretty good pass catcher, a great blocker and helps to keep the team organized on the field. He is worth the money.

He may have found that step. The way he's ran this season I expect to see him bust a couple, like his rookie year. He's been phenomenal so far.
 
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