Talent or Coaching

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Which - Talent or Coaching is more important? Can an average talent team w good coaching beat a very talented team with average coaching. Which team wins 2 of 3?
 
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Jimmy didn’t have as much success without the talent . Neither did Landry. The list goes on.
 
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Landry is the only HC in NFL history to take 4 different QB’s with same franchise to a championship game . But only won a Super Bowl with 1 of them. Talent matters.
 

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Look at the Patriots.

They have been the model and they won a lot of games with smart football players who just do their job.
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But have never won it all w/o major talent.

Edelmann is the best slot WR in the NFL. Hightower a top 5 MLB. Gilmore the best CB in the game. Michel is a very good RB. White is prolly the best receiving RB in the NFL. Gronk is top 5 all time. Malcolm Brown and Danny Shelton are two of the best run stufferst at DT in the NFL. And to top it off, NE always makes sure to have a good OL.
 
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cowboybish said:
Which - Talent or Coaching is more important? Can an average talent team w good coaching beat a very talented team with average coaching. Which team wins 2 of 3?
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In the NFL the overall talent is close and why On Any Given Sunday still applies. And so many upsets but most games are handicapped within 7 points.

There’s usually a handful of Elite talent on the better teams which often make the difference.

Most of the top teams have the best QB’s and or best defenses. Really tough to win at a high level without a great QB. And tough to win in playoffs without a good defense.
 

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Diehardblues said:
Landry is the only HC in NFL history to take 4 different QB’s with same franchise to a championship game . But only won a Super Bowl with 1 of them. Talent matters.
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And luck and bad calls. Should've won the ice bowl w/ Meredith, and the super bowl vs the Colts w/ Morton. Neither loss was due to talent.
 
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kskboys said:
And luck and bad calls. Should've won the ice bowl w/ Meredith, and the super bowl vs the Colts w/ Morton. Neither loss was due to talent.
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We had enough talent to win. Maybe not in all of the key positions but close.

Packers one of if not greatest team all time. I’d argue they had more talent than us.

Colts is a good example of upset. We gave that game away. But Colts had Legit talent. A totally dominating team just 2 years early upset by Jets.
 

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Diehardblues said:
We had enough talent to win. Maybe not in all of the key positions but close.

Packers one of if not greatest team all time. I’d argue they had more talent than us.

Colts is a good example of upset. We gave that game away. But Colts had Legit talent. A totally dominating team just 2 years early upset by Jets.
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Yeah, this is the one where you were inferring that Landry lost due to talent. It wasn't that in several playoff losses. In the Colts game, we actually recovered a fumble, and they gave the recovery to the Colts. Weird crapp.
 
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I think it is an exercise in futility to try to compare talent vs coaching. I think the best coaches get the most out of their talent, and I think the best coaches become the best coaches because of their access to talent. It's a perfect binary system that feeds itself.
 
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Yeah, this is the one where you were inferring that Landry lost due to talent. It wasn't that in several playoff losses. In the Colts game, we actually recovered a fumble, and they gave the recovery to the Colts. Weird crapp.
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As far as Landry not having success without talent , I was referring to the early 60’s and late 80’s.
 
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I think it is an exercise in futility to try to compare talent vs coaching. I think the best coaches get the most out of their talent, and I think the best coaches become the best coaches because of their access to talent. It's a perfect binary system that feeds itself.
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It takes both. Great coaching can make the most of lesser talent but will still lose out eventually to greater talent. We’ve seen it at all levels.
 
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cowboybish said:
Which - Talent or Coaching is more important? Can an average talent team w good coaching beat a very talented team with average coaching. Which team wins 2 of 3?
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Being a former coach I'd love to say coaching, but talent wins more often than not in the NFL and NCAA. HS and below is a toss up.
The coaching really shines through when the talent us relatively equal.
 
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