Are we ever going to see DAL have a RPO game plan?

cern · Sep 25, 2020

the best qb running plays are extemporaneous. the uncertainty of the event keeps defenses guessing.

xwalker · Sep 25, 2020

erod said:
The ability to run is implied. Otherwise, it's just a play action built in as an option, but it's not that effective if you're not a running threat. Dak isn't any better than an average QB in that regard.

Average from the pocket and average runner. Wilson, on the other hand, is elite at both.

Again, you are confusing RPO with Read Option.

RPO: Run by RB or Pass.

Read Option: Run by RB or run by QB.

ScipioCowboy · Sep 25, 2020

erod said:
The ability to run is implied. Otherwise, it's just a play action built in as an option, but it's not that effective if you're not a running threat. Dak isn't any better than an average QB in that regard.

Average from the pocket and average runner. Wilson, on the other hand, is elite at both.

An RPO seeks to isolate a defender with run or pass responsibility and make him commit to one before determining what you do with the ball.

Proof · Sep 25, 2020

Kevinicus said:
I guarantee half the people reading this thread will confuse RPO with read-option.

guilty

glimmerman · Sep 25, 2020

I believe some may think RPO means run pass option. What does it mean..

TwoCentPlain · Sep 25, 2020

Kevinicus said:
I guarantee half the people reading this thread will confuse RPO with read-option.

Well, the QB could do a Read Option and then Pass, too. Let's call it the ROP.
Dak pulls the ball away from Zeke, fakes like he will run, and then drops back and hits a wide open Lamb for the game-winning score.

Future · Sep 25, 2020

xwalker said:
Again, you are confusing RPO with Read Option.

RPO: Run by RB or Pass.

Read Option: Run by RB or run by QB.

A read option can be a pass.

InTheZone · Sep 25, 2020

GMO415 said:
LA opened the season with an offense that the NFL and the Boys have never seen from Goff.

Why can't the Boy Genius call an RPO offense on an opponent?

The other team wouldn't know what him em!

based on what I've seen the RPO is used, and MOST of the time the edge contain doesn't even care about Dak they focus strictly on Zeke. I thought one of Daks TD runs was a RPO last week and I had just called out the previous play that Dak had a TD had he kept it, I guess he learned after that play. But this is a frequent issue and opening, Dak just needs to take it if the defense isn't going to worry about him.

Direwolf63 · Sep 25, 2020

Future said:
A read option can be a pass.

Isn't that a triple option? Run by RB, QB or pass?

Future · Sep 25, 2020

Direwolf63 said:
Isn't that a triple option? Run by RB, QB or pass?

Not necessarily. A read option is just...read a defender, and then option off of what he does. That includes RPO, triple option, whatever else you want to call it.

You could theoretically call a play where:

1. QB reads the DE, determines to give to the RB or not
2. Reads the OLB for the first pass option
3. Reads MLB for second pass option/QB run

Idk if you want to call it triple option or whatever, it doesn't matter. But it's always read option.

RonnieT24 · Sep 25, 2020

If we ever do get to the point where Dak is consistent running threat Zeke will gash the hell out of defenses that have to hesitate before crashing down on him because they are worried about Dak pulling it out and running for 10-12 yards on a regular basis. Nothing stresses a defense more than having to play 11 on 11 instead of 11 on 10 because the QB is not really a football player.

xwalker · Sep 25, 2020

ninja said:
Well, the QB could do a Read Option and then Pass, too. Let's call it the ROP.
Dak pulls the ball away from Zeke, fakes like he will run, and then drops back and hits a wide open Lamb for the game-winning score.

The QB could decide to keep the ball and run from a normal pass play, from a normal run play or from basically any play call.

Regardless, the RPO is designed as a run by the RB or a pass.

RPO does not indicate designed run by the QB.

Read Option does indicate a high probability of a run by the QB.

As previously stated, an RPO could include an option for the QB to run but that's true of basically any play.

ConstantReboot · Sep 25, 2020

Using Dak's ability to run should be the main staple of this offense. They should do more play-action, bootlegs, misdirections, RPOs, etc. Just burn that Garrett playbook once and for all. It's useless.

Corso · Sep 25, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
Using Dak's ability to run should be the main staple of this offense. They should do more play-action, bootlegs, misdirections, RPOs, etc. Just burn that Garrett playbook once and for all. It's useless.

I'm sure there will be more changes and adjustments both as the year goes on and especially next year.
This year and it's circumstances made it... difficult.

Haimerej · Sep 25, 2020

xwalker said:
The QB could decide to keep the ball and run from a normal pass play, from a normal run play or from basically any play call.

Regardless, the RPO is designed as a run by the RB or a pass.

RPO does not indicate designed run by the QB.

Read Option does indicate a high probability of a run by the QB.

As previously stated, an RPO could include an option for the QB to run but that's true of basically any play.

To further the point, RPO is first and foremost a running play. It's even in the name- it's a run with a pass option. Unlike the read-option, many times the decision is made pre-snap due to defensive alignment. For example- stacked box with corners playing off? Throw the quick screen. These decisions are generally made quickly because blocking assignments are usually run based so you have to get rid of the ball before the o linemen get downfield.

xwalker · Sep 25, 2020

Haimerej said:
To further the point, RPO is first and foremost a running play. It's even in the name- it's a run with a pass option. Unlike the read-option, many times the decision is made pre-snap due to defensive alignment. For example- stacked box with corners playing off? Throw the quick screen. These decisions are generally made quickly because blocking assignments are usually run based so you have to get rid of the ball before the o linemen get downfield.

Yes, the decision is most often made before the snap.

With some OL run blocking, the QB has to hand off or pass immediately to avoid being sacked.

Also, as you indicated the run blocking OL are going to end up downfield if the QB holds the ball.

Some teams build a pass option into other run plays.
- It's not an RPO but CBs will often drop off coverage to play the run before the handoff has been completed.
- That happened a couple of times when Dez was here and Dak pulled it back to pass with Dez wide open but Dez never turned around...

rnr_honeybadger · Sep 25, 2020

Hawkeye19 said:
I am not saying Dak is as good a runner as Wilson. He is not.

But he is effective enough as a runner that if we intentionally incorporate his legs into our offense— it will affect defenses in a similar way to Wilson in that teams have to account for it.

True, Dak however is bigger and he can absorb some of those hits a lot better than Wilson.

TwentyOne · Sep 25, 2020

GMO415 said:
LA opened the season with an offense that the NFL and the Boys have never seen from Goff.

Why can't the Boy Genius call an RPO offense on an opponent?

The other team wouldn't know what him em!

Problem is our QB.

OmerV · Sep 25, 2020

Direwolf63 said:
Isn't that a triple option? Run by RB, QB or pass?

Wait, the Cowboys are running the old VEER offense used by Bill Yoeman at the University of Houston? Who knew?

TwentyOne · Sep 25, 2020

Future said:
Not necessarily. A read option is just...read a defender, and then option off of what he does. That includes RPO, triple option, whatever else you want to call it.

You could theoretically call a play where:

1. QB reads the DE, determines to give to the RB or not
2. Reads the OLB for the first pass option
3. Reads MLB for second pass option/QB run

Idk if you want to call it triple option or whatever, it doesn't matter. But it's always read option.

With our QB it stops with 1.

He cant read the DE.

Are we ever going to see DAL have a RPO game plan?

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