The real reason we lost this game

Aven8 · Sep 28, 2020

Hoofbite said:
That was a 16 play, 6 minute drive. Not sure I can really blame that drive for anything other than failing to be a TD.

I was actually worried they were taking too much time.

DallasEast · Sep 28, 2020

sunalsorises said:
Maybe Dak didn’t lose the game but he didn’t win it the way you would want a $40 million QB to win it either.

Even the so-called deserving $40 million dollar quarterbacks will not win every game the way they "should."

It will never stop the complaining but hopefully this ignored market-driven argument will get settled finally, hopefully sooner than later. Eventually, Prescott will get paid or he will not. That said, things will get extra interesting if he does get paid and folks begin self-rationalizing watching Prescott not meet their expectation of $40 million dollar play.

Edit: left out a 'not'

MaineBoy · Sep 28, 2020

leeblair said:
I thought Kellen Moore called an excellent game, and actually thought Dak played pretty well.
But- and there's no getting around this- as usual there were moments when the game was too big for Dak. He began to throw erratic, short passes that his receivers couldn't handle because they were too high, too hard, or caught them off guard.
But overall, Dak played well.
The interception at the end of the game was simply the culmination of the Seahawks being a much better team. Even before that, Dak had thrown what should have been a game ending interception that ended up being a completion on a fluke batted ball. Even though he got away with it, this is the usual signs of the game being too big for Dak.
He doesn't throw many interceptions, but he tends to get erratic when the pressure is on.
But the Seahawks were much better than the Cowboys across the board for the entire game, and when they were fresh they simply overpowered the Cowboys. The first part of the third quarter really showed how much better they were.

The real issue is the lingering hangover from the weak philosophies of Jason Garrett. The Cowboys play great one minute, then seem to expect the opposing team to just quit.
From the day Garrett took over the offense in 2007, the Cowboys seemed to celebrate their victories after their first score, as if the opposing team would simply quit when they witnessed such greatness.
They no longer do that, but the hangover is still with the organization. They play great, then get burned.
Some of the Cowboys "all-pros" may have to go. They are just too accustomed to not keeping their foot on the gas and playing through the end of the game.
There was no doubt that the Seahawks were the better team all day yesterday, albeit dumb at times.
And if you want to compare apples to apples, Russell Wilson showed what a marquee quarterback should look like.

Kellen Moore called a terrible game when it mattered most, and it’s not even close. The last 5 minute play calls the OP cites were so bad they were criminal. He calls THE SAME 3 hard to execute pass plays IN A ROW that took a whole 16 seconds off the clock. They were moving and had momentum and the idiot goes away from what was working to make those terrible calls. Then add in all the wasted reverses and screens he kept calling throughout the game. Moore sucks and his Garrett DNA is strong and comes through at the worst time. Huge mistake to keep him here. Thanks, Jerry.

Future · Sep 28, 2020

Flamma said:
The reason we lost the game was defense. But that last drive is a bit alarming. With around a minute forty five with all 3 timeouts and we were short on time at the end.

They're going to give us the underneath routes. They want us to take them. We did. At some point in time you have to go a little further down the field on a drive like that. But I can't tell if it was the pressure, play calls, or the quarterback that didn't want to take a chance.

If he threw downfield into double coverage, he would get absolutely ripped for that.

Of course they have receivers down field, you can't force it just for the sake of forcing it.

Flamma · Sep 28, 2020

Future said:
If he threw downfield into double coverage, he would get absolutely ripped for that.

Of course they have receivers down field, you can't force it just for the sake of forcing it.

I don't have access to the all 22 so I can't say one way or the other. But there will be plenty of people that do. So for now I'll wait.

I'm just saying I've seen quarterbacks move up the field much faster than that. Hell, I watched Matt Stafford go the distance of the field on us with no timeouts and a minute left on 3 plays. Nothing was forced. I just want to see if it was great Seattle coverage or something else.

hopemsu · Sep 28, 2020

the real reason we lost this game is because... we have to score 40 points to win a game apparently. 30 points should win 90% of all NFL games.

Northern_Cowboy · Sep 28, 2020

hopemsu said:
the real reason we lost this game is because... we have to score 40 points to win a game apparently. 30 points should win 90% of all NFL games.

Seattle has to do the same thing! How come they are 3-0. We have given up 87 points after 3 games the Seahawks have given up 86

hopemsu · Sep 28, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
Seattle has to do the same thing! How come they are 3-0. We have given up 87 points after 3 games the Seahawks have given up 86

then they are also living on borrowed time

dfense · Sep 28, 2020

The "real" reason they lost was because the Dline cannot get to the QB. A. Smith is the only guy who can pressure anyone all game. Wilson could have knit a sweater back there. He literally went through his progressions and then back through them the opposite way. All Day he had. I'm surprised the secondary played as well as they did considering.

jsb357 · Sep 28, 2020

phildadon86 said:
Yes that was a horrible throw at the end of the game,

I hove no problem with that play or the effort.

if it were to take place on 4th Down!!!!

Without thinking Dak took 50% of his chances away to get the game winning TD
on the final drive.

PAPPYDOG · Sep 28, 2020

phildadon86 said:
I keep seeing people here blaming Dak. Yes that was a horrible throw at the end of the game, but if you blame him solely for this loss you have an agenda.

The reason we were even in that position is because our young playcaller decided to get pass happy in the last 5 minutes of the game. There should have NEVER been 4 minutes on that clock for Russell to work with. You run that clock down and make them beat you in the 2 minute drill, or keep running and get rid of their timeouts. Something. Passing 3 times 1st and 10 in Seahawk territory was stupid. Reminds me of Garretts early days until he started actually leaning on Murray. There is no excuse.

Here’s the reality: Cowboys' loss was all about what Russell Wilson did and what Dak Prescott couldn’t...
And Dak wants more money than Wilson.... :muttley:

...GL with that Todd....

Tommy · Sep 28, 2020

leeblair said:
The real issue is the lingering hangover from the weak philosophies of Jason Garrett. The Cowboys play great one minute, then seem to expect the opposing team to just quit.
From the day Garrett took over the offense in 2007, the Cowboys seemed to celebrate their victories after their first score, as if the opposing team would simply quit when they witnessed such greatness.
They no longer do that, but the hangover is still with the organization. They play great, then get burned.
Some of the Cowboys "all-pros" may have to go. They are just too accustomed to not keeping their foot on the gas and playing through the end of the game.
There was no doubt that the Seahawks were the better team all day yesterday, albeit dumb at times.
And if you want to compare apples to apples, Russell Wilson showed what a marquee quarterback should look like.

Just trying to understand.

So the Seahawks are clearly a better team with a better quarterback.

But we lost yesterday because of Jason Garrett?

Tangle_Foot · Sep 28, 2020

People always look for "one or the real" reason for a loss, there's so many things that happen during the course of the game that contribute to success or failure. Without Diggs heads up play the mountain to climb would have even been higher. And then there's the Seattle defender that kicks his sure interception into the hands of Michael Gallup.

Maybe those are the reasons that we didn't lose by a larger margin. Maybe we lost because we had turnovers and didn't generate any. Or maybe it was special teams giving away four points, or it could be the makeshift offensive line that couldn't get the run game going. Maybe it was not being able to pressure or contain Russell Wilson effectively enough. Maybe it was the handful of head-scratching players called by Kellen Moore.

The real reason a team always loses is they don't play well enough over 60 minutes.

leeblair · Sep 28, 2020

Tommy said:
Just trying to understand.

So the Seahawks are clearly a better team with a better quarterback.

But we lost yesterday because of Jason Garrett?

I think some of the traits picked up by the players under Garrett still hamper this team.
It's as if they think they are great because they are the Dallas Cowboys.
The Seahawks played with more intensity and physicality.
And we have Dak because of Jason Garrett. Dak was coddled and never made to earn his spot. It shows.

cowboyblue22 · Sep 28, 2020

nightrain said:
You can't win the in the NFL with a 3-0 turnover deficit. That is the number one stat to focus on after the score.

when u beat your self it dont take much from the other team for u to lose until the cowboys get better on defense and start getting turnovers and stop turning the ball over they are not going to win many games

12+88=7 · Sep 28, 2020

Dallas lost because of a safety and two missed extra points, then having to go for two points because of those misses. That's a total of 5 points in a 7 point loss.

Dallas could have kicked a FG late to win the game instead of needing a TD to tie.

Darkhound · Sep 28, 2020

phildadon86 said:
I keep seeing people here blaming Dak. Yes that was a horrible throw at the end of the game, but if you blame him solely for this loss you have an agenda.

The reason we were even in that position is because our young playcaller decided to get pass happy in the last 5 minutes of the game. There should have NEVER been 4 minutes on that clock for Russell to work with. You run that clock down and make them beat you in the 2 minute drill, or keep running and get rid of their timeouts. Something. Passing 3 times 1st and 10 in Seahawk territory was stupid. Reminds me of Garretts early days until he started actually leaning on Murray. There is no excuse.

Problem was... we failed to establish the run game... what makes you think we were going to be able to do it?

McKDaddy · Sep 28, 2020

phildadon86 said:
I keep seeing people here blaming Dak. Yes that was a horrible throw at the end of the game, but if you blame him solely for this loss you have an agenda.

The reason we were even in that position is because our young playcaller decided to get pass happy in the last 5 minutes of the game. There should have NEVER been 4 minutes on that clock for Russell to work with. You run that clock down and make them beat you in the 2 minute drill, or keep running and get rid of their timeouts. Something. Passing 3 times 1st and 10 in Seahawk territory was stupid. Reminds me of Garretts early days until he started actually leaning on Murray. There is no excuse.

agreed. they should have either tried to score really quickly or bleed the clock when they got the ball with like 8 minutes left. They didn't seem to have a plan and ended up being in the middle.

ghosttown cowboy · Sep 28, 2020

noshame said:
I was floored with the screens.
It's hard enough to run a screen with a cohesive OL with many, many reps in practice.
Trying to do it yesterday with a patchwork line was beyond stupid.

I don't think we've ever been good at screens, and we can't seem to stop them...

sunalsorises · Sep 28, 2020

phildadon86 said:
Good thing he doesnt want 40 million. Thats already been said multiple times here. Keep up the good work though. What was he supposed to do on that last drive? Block for himself?

What i am saying is. That last drive SHOULDNT HAVE MATTERED. We should have ran the clock down and not been in that situation to begin with.

He’ll command close enough to $40 million to round it up. That game was lost long before that last drive. QBs can’t have crucial turnovers when having to win the game is falling on them.

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