Have to keep modern defenses so simple or everything falls to pieces

conner01 · Oct 8, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
They truly need to go back to the base 4-3 defense.

When Tom Landry developed his Flex Defense, it was said, it was very hard to learn. And it took about 3 years for the players to truly grasp its entirety.
I think this is where Tom's 3 year rule came in effect. They were going to get it or not.

Nolan's stupid Hybrid plan kind of reminds me of this. Back when Tom coached, they had the players rights forever, so a player could have time to learn and stay. Now, a team can't do this, as half the players move on by year 4. Has nothing to do with if the are smart or dumb or in between. It has to do with time.

Crap can the stupid concept and / or crap can Nolan if he can't or won't change.

I think we have to simplify this scheme
Even MM mentioned that recently
You have to disguise coverage but you can’t fool your own players

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Oct 8, 2020

Silly said:
Hmmm???? I thought Smith went to Notre Dame?

LLLOOLLL, Silly?

rnr_honeybadger · Oct 8, 2020

Oh I belive this, some of the people graduating from college can't read or write at any competent level.

Blackspider214 · Oct 8, 2020

ESisback said:
So why does Nolan keep getting hired? He was even a HC for a time!

NFL owners love re-treads. It's all a big fraternity. Once you are in, you are in.

gjkoeppen · Oct 8, 2020

rnr_honeybadger said:
Oh I belive this, some of the people graduating from college can't read or write at any competent level.

As I said before Bo Jackson when drafted read at a 3rd grade level.
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cowboyec · Oct 8, 2020

burn the play-books.
go back to the chalk board and show them how the x's are to stop the o's.
(and break some rules with practices in pads with full contact...i won't say nuthin'...promise).

Typhus · Oct 8, 2020

BigStar said:
Those NE Defenses and others use more advanced schemes and their coaches seem to relay that into something they can swallow. It does take some knowledge on who you're drafting.

Players who are illiterates can still be football smart but I can see Bart Scott's point too. Takes some foundation to receive/process info quickly.

Well there most definitely has to be a base underlying theme, and we dont even have legit team captains on D, so how can we have even a notion of an advanced scheme, if we don't even have a fundamental premise?

InTheZone · Oct 8, 2020

Can we just start hiring patriots assistants instead? They seem fairly consistent

Swagger · Oct 8, 2020

Hayseed said:
I tend to believe it. I remember listening to Ex Raven Bart Scott on his show around 4 years ago or so. He went on and on about how basically so many of the modern NFL players are so stupid that you have to keep modern defenses so simple or everything falls to pieces in short order.
He really hammered home the point,....said he was appalled at what he was seeing on defense in the modern NFL. I wasnt a big fan of the Nolan hire to begin with and this is just one of the reasons why. You have to walk before you can run and he's expecting a bunch of mental paraplegics to run the 40 yard dash!

As you can see........It doesnt work.

CATCH17 · Oct 8, 2020

Hayseed said:
I tend to believe it. I remember listening to Ex Raven Bart Scott on his show around 4 years ago or so. He went on and on about how basically so many of the modern NFL players are so stupid that you have to keep modern defenses so simple or everything falls to pieces in short order.
He really hammered home the point,....said he was appalled at what he was seeing on defense in the modern NFL. I wasnt a big fan of the Nolan hire to begin with and this is just one of the reasons why. You have to walk before you can run and he's expecting a bunch of mental paraplegics to run the 40 yard dash!

As you can see........It doesnt work.

I was fine with a bend don’t break style but at least disguise your coverages...

NFL defenses suck.. It’s the way it is.

Ive tried for awhile to get people to understand that and how we need to be more worried about points per game allowed and not worry about the yards.

We just go to extremes...

The problem around here in previous years has been predictable bland offense and lack of turnovers on defense

Future · Oct 8, 2020

This has more to do with practice time than it does players being stupid or not.

BigStar · Oct 8, 2020

Typhus said:
Well there most definitely has to be a base underlying theme, and we dont even have legit team captains on D, so how can we have even a notion of an advanced scheme, if we don't even have a fundamental premise?

True, we don't have vets who know this scheme either. Everyone is kind of out for themselves and it shows. We need a Lee/Woody type who can put people in place/give them a little confidence in what they're doing out there.

dreghorn2 · Oct 8, 2020

Dallas, and many other teams, have been hurt by the change in officiating offensive holding. The drop in holding penalties has been dramatic and offenses are aware of it.

Many teams were trying to hide defensive backfield weaknesses by having a strong pass rush, the Cowboys included. Much more difficult now and secondary's are getting exposed league wide.

Combined with no preseason, restrictions on hitting QBs etc.. well, it's a track meet.

It's boring football to me but the powers that be may not think so going forward.

The NE recipe of having very strong defensive backfields may become more important then rush men going forward.

Typhus · Oct 8, 2020

BigStar said:
True, we don't have vets who know this scheme either. Everyone is kind of out for themselves and it shows. We need a Lee/Woody type who can put people in place/give them a little confidence in what they're doing out there.

Ya, but thats the big circus event,, this falls on a coaching staff not knowing how to utilize talent at hand, lol..
and I know, thats why i laughed at myself,,, as bad as Nolan looks, can we be so complacent in our views as a fan base to degrade Nolan so bad, is he the reason,, he gets the blame, but bad year al around to be introducing an entire brand new staff.

gjkoeppen · Oct 8, 2020

BigStar said:
True, we don't have vets who know this scheme either. Everyone is kind of out for themselves and it shows. We need a Lee/Woody type who can put people in place/give them a little confidence in what they're doing out there.

Lee is a smart player but he's spent VERY LITTLE time in this defense so to assume he knows it better than those that have playing this complicated convoluted defense all along is just wishful thinking.
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SSoup · Oct 8, 2020

Silly said:
Hmmm???? I thought Smith went to Notre Dame?

People are really kidding themselves if they buy the hype about Notre Dame applying rigid academic standards to football players. Countless Fighting Irish players in the last decade are stone-stupid.

If a guy is physically gifted, Notre Dame does what every other school does for their football coaches, and they massage the system so the kid will be accepted even if he perhaps had no business successfully completing high school.

An article from 2010 about this issue said that the average ND student had an SAT score of about 1400, while the average ND football player had an SAT score of about 1000. That's an appreciable gulf between the people who got into the school on academic merit and the ones who got in purely for being good at football. So they obviously make huuuuuuge concessions in finessing football players into the school when they cant honestly measure up to the rest of the student body.

And that same 2010 article said the average SAT score of the Florida Gators football team was about 900, which is only a stone's throw away from the Irish's anyway. And Florida is an absolute joke academically.

BigStar · Oct 8, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Lee is a smart player but he's spent VERY LITTLE time in this defense so to assume he knows it better than those that have playing this complicated convoluted defense all along is just wishful thinking.
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Oh not Lee himself, a player coach like Lee is more of what I was saying. We can't have that yet. We need more of Nolan leftover.

rnr_honeybadger · Oct 8, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
As I said before Bo Jackson when drafted read at a 3rd grade level.
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That is just terrible

gjkoeppen · Oct 8, 2020

Typhus said:
Ya, but thats the big circus event,, this falls on a coaching staff not knowing how to utilize talent at hand, lol..
and I know, thats why i laughed at myself,,, as bad as Nolan looks, can we be so complacent in our views as a fan base to degrade Nolan so bad, is he the reason,, he gets the blame, but bad year al around to be introducing an entire brand new staff.

It not the new coaching staff. McCarthy said they would use most of Garrett's playbook and is doing it. The difference is they are using more of the playbook and not do what Garrett did and run the same 10 - 12 plays. On defense with new coaches could have not installed a new complicated convoluted scheme knowing they had no off season program or preseason games to work it in. The smart thing would have been to use schemes that fit their talent instead of schemes that make the players learn new complicated convoluted schemes to fit those schemes often playing techniques they never played before.
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gjkoeppen · Oct 8, 2020

BigStar said:
Oh not Lee himself, a player coach like Lee is more of what I was saying. We can't have that yet. We need more of Nolan leftover.

You make no sense.
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