It’s all setting up perfect

Ranching · Oct 11, 2020

Zekeats said:
I have to give the Jones’s credit that they didn’t resign Dak yet. Wether that be on purpose or just dumb luck that Dak didnt sign his deal at this point doesn’t matter. I have zero problem saying that if we don’t win this division then Dak is 100% not the answer. I don’t even care that we have the worst defense and he doesn’t have an offensive line cause Romo went through the same **** for years and still got the job done with no head coach.
Now Dak has a “real” HC finally (I’m not sold on that and never was) but at least they can’t use that excuse. Our division is so bad that no matter what even if we lose our top 2 receivers and Zeke on top of everything else going wrong this guy needs to step up and lead this team.
He needs to stop turning the ball over To help out this defense. Once he does that this defense will start making plays to help out his offense but he can’t keep putting them in position to fail. They need to get back to running the ball and ball control offense and take your shots down field on playaction.
Bottom line of my rant is its all setting up perfect to see if Dak is real or fools gold and the bottom line is he’s gotta win. I don’t care if he throws for 5500 meaningless yards he’s gotta win.

I would prefer being healthy and winning games, as opposed to wanting to see Dak fail. Some on this board are ridiculously obsessed with Daks money. I hated Garrett, but I always wanted him to win, even if it meant he would still be here. Times have changed.

Flamma · Oct 11, 2020

PhillyCowboysFan said:
Again I have no agenda but I ask another question. So you don’t remember Romo’s consistent interceptions at crucial times?

He did. He had me climbing the walls with anger many times. But he also could make late 4th quarter comebacks with TDs to win. The one major complaint I have with Dak is that he looks nervous in that situation. The last time I recall him doing that was in 2016 against the Eagles. He looked good doing it too. I just don't know how he went from that to how he is now.

Bobhaze · Oct 11, 2020

Mr_C said:
What’s your answer at QB?

Do you fee confident we can get someone better? Give me a probable and reasonable plan and I’ll listen.

Would you say Dak is a top 10 guy? Top 15? Is that likely duplicable?

I’ve never understood the attitude of some fans here who think all we need to do is get rid of Dak, go pick the QB tree, and boom, we have a better QB. Finding even a decent QB who is above average is THE HARDEST position to find in the NFL. It’s why all starting QBs get overpaid. It’s just the way it goes.

Some Cowboys fans here expect their QB to literally carry the team on his back with perfection. Some Cowboys fans somehow believe that if this front office, who has proven to be completely inept at building a cohesive championship roster without the help of a really assertive HC, can somehow know which QB would be the right one for this team. The last time it drafted a QB in the first round was Troy Aikman, the first draft in the Jones era.

So you guys trust the Jones cartel to find us another QB? If so, I have some great property to sell you too by the way.

CowboysFaninHouston · Oct 11, 2020

Zekeats said:
I have to give the Jones’s credit that they didn’t resign Dak yet. Wether that be on purpose or just dumb luck that Dak didnt sign his deal at this point doesn’t matter. I have zero problem saying that if we don’t win this division then Dak is 100% not the answer. I don’t even care that we have the worst defense and he doesn’t have an offensive line cause Romo went through the same **** for years and still got the job done with no head coach.
Now Dak has a “real” HC finally (I’m not sold on that and never was) but at least they can’t use that excuse. Our division is so bad that no matter what even if we lose our top 2 receivers and Zeke on top of everything else going wrong this guy needs to step up and lead this team.
He needs to stop turning the ball over To help out this defense. Once he does that this defense will start making plays to help out his offense but he can’t keep putting them in position to fail. They need to get back to running the ball and ball control offense and take your shots down field on playaction.
Bottom line of my rant is its all setting up perfect to see if Dak is real or fools gold and the bottom line is he’s gotta win. I don’t care if he throws for 5500 meaningless yards he’s gotta win.

so if we don't win the division, its Dak's fault...because the defense is giving up 36 points a game...got it!!! you are so smart...

Bullflop · Oct 11, 2020

Flamma said:
He did. He had me climbing the walls with anger many times. But he also could make late 4th quarter comebacks with TDs to win. The one major complaint I have with Dak is that he looks nervous in that situation. The last time I recall him doing that was in 2016 against the Eagles. He looked good doing it too. I just don't know how he went from that to how he is now.

I hear ya. I think Dak's proven that he's resilient, at least. Our FO and Will McClay also need to step it up and do a better job, imho.

This seems like the type of a year to keep expectations in check. It'll likely get better before it gets worse, imho.

We're just one of many teams that are simply struggling through bad conditions right now.

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CashMan · Oct 11, 2020

Zekeats said:
I have to give the Jones’s credit that they didn’t resign Dak yet. Wether that be on purpose or just dumb luck that Dak didnt sign his deal at this point doesn’t matter. I have zero problem saying that if we don’t win this division then Dak is 100% not the answer. I don’t even care that we have the worst defense and he doesn’t have an offensive line cause Romo went through the same **** for years and still got the job done with no head coach.
Now Dak has a “real” HC finally (I’m not sold on that and never was) but at least they can’t use that excuse. Our division is so bad that no matter what even if we lose our top 2 receivers and Zeke on top of everything else going wrong this guy needs to step up and lead this team.
He needs to stop turning the ball over To help out this defense. Once he does that this defense will start making plays to help out his offense but he can’t keep putting them in position to fail. They need to get back to running the ball and ball control offense and take your shots down field on playaction.
Bottom line of my rant is its all setting up perfect to see if Dak is real or fools gold and the bottom line is he’s gotta win. I don’t care if he throws for 5500 meaningless yards he’s gotta win.

I am not saying he is worth or not worth the contract. But some of you people forget what we saw between Aikman and Romo.

Jarntt · Oct 11, 2020

Zekeats said:
I have to give the Jones’s credit that they didn’t resign Dak yet. Wether that be on purpose or just dumb luck that Dak didnt sign his deal at this point doesn’t matter. I have zero problem saying that if we don’t win this division then Dak is 100% not the answer. I don’t even care that we have the worst defense and he doesn’t have an offensive line cause Romo went through the same **** for years and still got the job done with no head coach.
Now Dak has a “real” HC finally (I’m not sold on that and never was) but at least they can’t use that excuse. Our division is so bad that no matter what even if we lose our top 2 receivers and Zeke on top of everything else going wrong this guy needs to step up and lead this team.
He needs to stop turning the ball over To help out this defense. Once he does that this defense will start making plays to help out his offense but he can’t keep putting them in position to fail. They need to get back to running the ball and ball control offense and take your shots down field on playaction.
Bottom line of my rant is its all setting up perfect to see if Dak is real or fools gold and the bottom line is he’s gotta win. I don’t care if he throws for 5500 meaningless yards he’s gotta win.

I'm sorry, but what job did Romo get done that Dak hasn't? Other than maybe you like one and dislike the other

I'm not saying this is amazingly impressive or anything but in 4 years Dak made the playoffs 50% of the time and won one playoff game. In 10 years Romo made the playoffs 40% of the time and won 2 playoff games.

gjkoeppen · Oct 11, 2020

Zekeats said:
I have to give the Jones’s credit that they didn’t resign Dak yet. Wether that be on purpose or just dumb luck that Dak didnt sign his deal at this point doesn’t matter. I have zero problem saying that if we don’t win this division then Dak is 100% not the answer. I don’t even care that we have the worst defense and he doesn’t have an offensive line cause Romo went through the same **** for years and still got the job done with no head coach.
Now Dak has a “real” HC finally (I’m not sold on that and never was) but at least they can’t use that excuse. Our division is so bad that no matter what even if we lose our top 2 receivers and Zeke on top of everything else going wrong this guy needs to step up and lead this team.
He needs to stop turning the ball over To help out this defense. Once he does that this defense will start making plays to help out his offense but he can’t keep putting them in position to fail. They need to get back to running the ball and ball control offense and take your shots down field on playaction.
Bottom line of my rant is its all setting up perfect to see if Dak is real or fools gold and the bottom line is he’s gotta win. I don’t care if he throws for 5500 meaningless yards he’s gotta win.

Wow, for the umpteenth time a Prescott hater started a I hate Prescott thread.
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RamziD · Oct 11, 2020

Zekeats said:
I have to give the Jones’s credit that they didn’t resign Dak yet. Wether that be on purpose or just dumb luck that Dak didnt sign his deal at this point doesn’t matter. I have zero problem saying that if we don’t win this division then Dak is 100% not the answer. I don’t even care that we have the worst defense and he doesn’t have an offensive line cause Romo went through the same **** for years and still got the job done with no head coach.
Now Dak has a “real” HC finally (I’m not sold on that and never was) but at least they can’t use that excuse. Our division is so bad that no matter what even if we lose our top 2 receivers and Zeke on top of everything else going wrong this guy needs to step up and lead this team.
He needs to stop turning the ball over To help out this defense. Once he does that this defense will start making plays to help out his offense but he can’t keep putting them in position to fail. They need to get back to running the ball and ball control offense and take your shots down field on playaction.
Bottom line of my rant is its all setting up perfect to see if Dak is real or fools gold and the bottom line is he’s gotta win. I don’t care if he throws for 5500 meaningless yards he’s gotta win.

The worst defense Romo played with was in 2013 and we finished 8-8 and 2nd in our division. That defense wasn’t as bad as this one so far, hence why people are saying we have a historically awful defense.

thunderpimp91 · Oct 11, 2020

aria said:
Ahhhhh....I see your point, yeah, that’s not how I interpreted it but interesting take. Hmmmmmm...

Yeah and i get the other side of it too...after all is this just a dak bash thread in disguise? Possibly

thunderpimp91 · Oct 11, 2020

CowboysWillRise said:
You're asking JJ to admit defeat and accept responsibility. I dont see it happening. Regardless of where we end up this season I expect he believes this is a superbowl caliber offense, and we simply needs a couple tweaks on the defensive side to make a run. To clarify Im not saying that, I just believe that is Jerry's perception based on his track record.

I see that side of things as well. After all is any team in the NFL without flaw somewhere on the roster? Not really. If this team were to land a couple B players at S and DT is this a winning team? Very possible. You're dead on with the JJ not willing to admit defeat though. I have a hard time believing he is ok with a rebuild at his age.

Kingofholland · Oct 11, 2020

I don't think any QB posts more wins with this defense. Pick any QB and unless they're also an all-pro db I just don't see it. Yes Dak can reduce his turnovers, but when you have to throw that much and you play most of the time with undrafted tackles you're bound to turn the ball over.

A couple years ago we criticized Dak for throwing for under 200 yards or not demonstrating the ability to throw for 300 yards. Now he puts up points and yards we find other things to complain about. Dak isn't in the Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers class, but at this point if you have Dak below the 8-12 rank range it just doesn't make much sense.

Jake · Oct 11, 2020

Zekeats said:
I have to give the Jones’s credit that they didn’t resign Dak yet. Wether that be on purpose or just dumb luck that Dak didnt sign his deal at this point doesn’t matter. I have zero problem saying that if we don’t win this division then Dak is 100% not the answer. I don’t even care that we have the worst defense and he doesn’t have an offensive line cause Romo went through the same **** for years and still got the job done with no head coach.

Romo didn't get the job done any more than Dak. Both are/were blamed for not overcoming the deficiencies around them rather than blaming the deficiencies themselves.

Our fan base is weird like that.

OmerV · Oct 11, 2020

Zekeats said:
I have to give the Jones’s credit that they didn’t resign Dak yet. Wether that be on purpose or just dumb luck that Dak didnt sign his deal at this point doesn’t matter. I have zero problem saying that if we don’t win this division then Dak is 100% not the answer. I don’t even care that we have the worst defense and he doesn’t have an offensive line cause Romo went through the same **** for years and still got the job done with no head coach.
Now Dak has a “real” HC finally (I’m not sold on that and never was) but at least they can’t use that excuse. Our division is so bad that no matter what even if we lose our top 2 receivers and Zeke on top of everything else going wrong this guy needs to step up and lead this team.
He needs to stop turning the ball over To help out this defense. Once he does that this defense will start making plays to help out his offense but he can’t keep putting them in position to fail. They need to get back to running the ball and ball control offense and take your shots down field on playaction.
Bottom line of my rant is its all setting up perfect to see if Dak is real or fools gold and the bottom line is he’s gotta win. I don’t care if he throws for 5500 meaningless yards he’s gotta win.

What job did Romo get done that Dak hasnt? Dak has done as well statistically, and the team has also done as well

I’m also wondering why having Garrett as a coach explains away the team’s inability to succeed when Romo was the QB, but with Dak at QB having Garrett as coach is referred to as an “excuse”.

ChronicCowboy · Oct 11, 2020

Dak is gonna get the franchise tag again.

nobody · Oct 11, 2020

Whatever the case, the offense -has- to practice better ball control and time of possession or it will kill the defense. It's a balance and for 2-3 quarters a game the offensive starts slow and doesn't do what it's supposed to....that's not excusing the defense, but it will keep this situation going.

SteveTheCowboy · Oct 11, 2020

aria said:
So Dak can put up 99 points a game but if the defense gives up 100 then Dak isn’t the answer? Got it.

I guess it would be ok if Dak sucked, had horrible numbers but the defense was great and won the games for us?

I guess Dak needs to apply for the DC job according to some haters that way he could lead from the sidelines when he’s not throwing the ball.

It depends on if they can't answer the scoring for 2 quarters and get down 45 to 100, and when the defense goes prevent in the last quarter THEN catch up.

SteveTheCowboy · Oct 11, 2020

DeathMonkey said:
Whatever the case, the offense -has- to practice better ball control and time of possession or it will kill the defense. It's a balance and for 2-3 quarters a game the offensive starts slow and doesn't do what it's supposed to....that's not excusing the defense, but it will keep this situation going.

You beat me to it.

rnr_honeybadger · Oct 11, 2020

ChronicCowboy said:
Dak is gonna get the franchise tag again.

Money that is better spent on defense

PhillyCowboysFan · Oct 11, 2020

Flamma said:
He did. He had me climbing the walls with anger many times. But he also could make late 4th quarter comebacks with TDs to win. The one major complaint I have with Dak is that he looks nervous in that situation. The last time I recall him doing that was in 2016 against the Eagles. He looked good doing it too. I just don't know how he went from that to how he is now.

Maybe and again I don’t know for sure, but maybe he had a much better line in 2016? He could have had more time back then now where he doesn’t have as much. Idk

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