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They did. Paying below market a below your peers is lowballing
Peers is the key word, Dak has not done anything yet to merit that type of $$$$ but Jerry was going to pay and looking a the big picture it was a mistake on Jerrys part and it looks like turning down $35 mill a years was a mistake on Daks agents part. Time will tell but Jerry is stupid enough to pay Dak regardless so it is all really a mute issue..
 

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Peers is the key word, Dak has not done anything yet to merit that type of $$$$ but Jerry was going to pay and looking a the big picture it was a mistake on Jerrys part and it looks like turning down $35 mill a years was a mistake on Daks agents part. Time will tell but Jerry is stupid enough to pay Dak regardless so it is all really a mute issue..
lol Dak has outplayed both Wentz and Goff and had to compensate for sub par coaching and defense. Wentz and Goff had great defenses and go figure went further. But to say Dak hasnt outplayed them is a joke.
 

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Todd France should ashamed of himself. I hope his clients take note and drop him.
 

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lol Dak has outplayed both Wentz and Goff and had to compensate for sub par coaching and defense. Wentz and Goff had great defenses and go figure went further. But to say Dak hasnt outplayed them is a joke.
Against the weak teams Dak is great, unfortunately he does not do well against better teams. As for out played them against who the NFC least, stop being a homer, Dak is a good NFL QB not anything special and he doesn't have the ability to elevate the players around him. Great bus driver who needs a ton of help to function. You must be one of those fantasy stats guy's, you do realize Dak is 1-3 and really should be 0-4 that is not a elite money QB. The mentality that because other teams make mistakes and pay a player X another player should be paid the same or more. Let us know when Dak gets to the SB then you can talk high end money. The debate on how good is Dak should be answered by the end of the year.
 

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We are arguing over what we do not know. There were reports about what Dallas offered and reports about what Dak wanted but I don't think any of those reports were accurate. And we also heard that the disagreement was on the length of the contract. Dak wanted 4 years and the Cowboys wanted 5.

IMO, Dak is not worth $40 million a year and Jerry alluded to why. Because he has to put a team around Dak. That means paying Cooper, Paying Zeke, Paying Martin, Smith, and Collins. He has to think about paying Gallup in 2022 along with someone who can play defense better than my grandmother.

Dak is a very good QB, but he is not elite. Before the Cowboys got Amari Cooper, the Cowboys offense was garbage. Cooper made Dak and the team better. Dak does not make his receivers better. Look at Wentz last year. His entire receiver corps was injured and the Eagles made the playoffs throwing to TEs and RBs. Last year, teams took Cooper out of the game and the Cowboys offense went nowhere. I am not saying Wentz is better than Dak. Wentz has his own issues. What I am saying is that Dak is not elite and I don't care how many yards he throws for in garbage time. The point is if Jerry has to pay 3 WRs and a RB so Dak can reach his potential, he needs the CAP room to do it and paying Dak $40 million hinders his ability to do that.

Also, remember these negotiations took place after an 8-8 season where Dak literally lost the division title game to the Eagles team with no receivers. The Cowboys offense fell flat against all the top teams, except the Rams.

Very good post! How we all forgot how bad the offense was before Cooper got here. I even forgot about that. Dak is a product of his environment. He does not make players around him better they make him better. With that said I do think Dak has the talent to be a super bowl winning QB. I just do not think he is a 40 million a year QB or one of the elite QB's.
 

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Against the weak teams Dak is great, unfortunately he does not do well against better teams. As for out played them against who the NFC least, stop being a homer, Dak is a good NFL QB not anything special and he doesn't have the ability to elevate the players around him. Great bus driver who needs a ton of help to function. You must be one of those fantasy stats guy's, you do realize Dak is 1-3 and really should be 0-4 that is not a elite money QB. The mentality that because other teams make mistakes and pay a player X another player should be paid the same or more. Let us know when Dak gets to the SB then you can talk high end money. The debate on how good is Dak should be answered by the end of the year.
The debate will be answered when Dalton fails and falls on his face. Dak isnt 1-3. The DALLAS COWBOYS are 1-3. The fact you can sit there and bloviate about it is astounding to me. If it wasnt for Dak fighting we would be 0-5 and been blown out in every game. You do realize that right? lol. I love the he cant elevate players around him. Hes made Dalton Schultz look like a good tight end and did what Derek Carr couldnt with Cooper. You sir are someone who doesnt like dak and wont admit that he is a great QB no matter what he does. And regarding your beating good teams argument. Before last season, Dak had almost a 50 percent winning percentage against winning teams. Which was tops in the NFL since 2016. I can continue to blow up your arguments but I have a job to do.
 

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Peers is the key word, Dak has not done anything yet to merit that type of $$$$ but Jerry was going to pay and looking a the big picture it was a mistake on Jerrys part and it looks like turning down $35 mill a years was a mistake on Daks agents part. Time will tell but Jerry is stupid enough to pay Dak regardless so it is all really a mute issue..
Goff and Wentz are his peers. His guarantee was below theirs. Plain and simple
 

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Very good post! How we all forgot how bad the offense was before Cooper got here. I even forgot about that. Dak is a product of his environment. He does not make players around him better they make him better. With that said I do think Dak has the talent to be a super bowl winning QB. I just do not think he is a 40 million a year QB or one of the elite QB's.
Pat Mahomes wouldn't be able to make it work with Hurns, Thompson, and Beasley as your starting WRs
 

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35 a year is more but the guaranteed is less. News flash. No agent cares about hypothetically $ per year. It's all about the Guaranteed $$

He got more guaranteed money than Wentz.

He was offered about the same guaranteed as Goff.

Thus I don't think that was any near being a low-balled offer.

Dak really needs to fire his agent. His agent should have best represented him and his future. He should have alluded to him about the risk of not signing a long term deal.

Instead his agent wanted more of a cut and what would make him the most money.
 

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Very good post! How we all forgot how bad the offense was before Cooper got here. I even forgot about that. Dak is a product of his environment. He does not make players around him better they make him better. With that said I do think Dak has the talent to be a super bowl winning QB. I just do not think he is a 40 million a year QB or one of the elite QB's.
If he doesnt make players around him better. Explain why Cooper all of a sudden blew up when he got here. Who was the QB for Dallas?
 

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He got more guaranteed money than Wentz.

He was offered about the same guaranteed as Goff.

Thus I don't think that was any near being a low-balled offer.

Dak really needs to fire his agent. His agent should have best represented him and his future. He should have alluded to him about the risk of not signing a long term deal.

Instead his agent wanted more of a cut and what would make him the most money.
Wentz got 107 Goff 110. Dallas offered 106 a year later. It was an insulting offer especially since dak outplayed both of them in 4 years.
 

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The debate will be answered when Dalton fails and falls on his face. Dak isnt 1-3. The DALLAS COWBOYS are 1-3. The fact you can sit there and bloviate about it is astounding to me. If it wasnt for Dak fighting we would be 0-5 and been blown out in every game. You do realize that right? lol. I love the he cant elevate players around him. Hes made Dalton Schultz look like a good tight end and did what Derek Carr couldnt with Cooper. You sir are someone who doesnt like dak and wont admit that he is a great QB no matter what he does. And regarding your beating good teams argument. Before last season, Dak had almost a 50 percent winning percentage against winning teams. Which was tops in the NFL since 2016. I can continue to blow up your arguments but I have a job to do.
I'm a realist you are a Dak fan, it's really funny call Dak good and you don't like him, yes you are a Dak fan not a team fan, like I said everyone should know by the end of the season. The funniest statement is how Dak elevated Copper, talk about babbling.
 

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I'm a realist you are a Dak fan, it's really funny call Dak good and you don't like him, yes you are a Dak fan not a team fan, like I said everyone should know by the end of the season. The funniest statement is how Dak elevated Copper, talk about babbling.
What were Coopers stats in Oakland before he was traded to Dallas? I am a fan of the Cowboys. Ive also seen Dalton play and I know its a huge drop off. I want Dalton to do well. I also dont in the same breath because this team needs a STAR on defense, and we wont get it with a 15th to 25th overall pick.
 

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What were Coopers stats in Oakland before he was traded to Dallas? I am a fan of the Cowboys. Ive also seen Dalton play and I know its a huge drop off. I want Dalton to do well. I also dont in the same breath because this team needs a STAR on defense, and we wont get it with a 15th to 25th overall pick.
Coopers stats were very good 3-4 years over 1000 yards why do you think Jerry gave up a first for him. Yes Cooper saved Dak no question or room for debate on that. As for Dalton have no idea how he will play if the team wins games and there is no drop off in offensive production what is Daks real value to the team, that's not some knock on Dak it is a question everyone should ask before paying top dollar for a QB that doesn't add elite value . If Dalton and the O suck then we will know Dak is a driving force on offense. So you say don't use the eye test but you use it on Dalton. A open mind is what everyone needs to have especially when paying a player top $$$, how did that work out for Zeke and Lawrence so far, how about Smith. You need to put your Dak love aside and see where this goes and if it's terrible what the worse case scenario a top draft pick and Dak is tagged again. 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 that is what Dak was bringing to the table anyway. I personally do not believe as long as Jerry meddles the Cowboys are going anywhere anyways so it's just entertainment.
 

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Goff and Wentz got around $110 million guaranteed on 4 year deals.

Dallas wanted Dak to sign a 5 yr deal but offered him the guaranteed money that came with a 4 year deal.

Dak would've signed for $110 million and 4 years but if the Cowboys were insistent on 5 years, the guaranteed money had to reflect the additional year.

The team and Dak had a deal in place before week 1 last yr as people with knowledge have been on record as saying such. Daks agent kept stalling negotiations as Dak lit up bad defense in the first 3 games and reneged on said deal. Came back asking for alot more money. Dallas has been dealing as they always go with their star players. Dak's agent is the problem not the team. Now he's screwed Dak out of alot of money IMO.
 

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Pat Mahomes wouldn't be able to make it work with Hurns, Thompson, and Beasley as your starting WRs

We don't really know that. And I could counter that Wentz won some games last year when all his receivers were injured. I understand the Eagles offense and the Eagles defense are not the Cowboys under Garrett but still some QB have made average receivers look really good. Brady does it. Rodgers does it. We don't know if Mahomes can do it or not but we don't know if his receivers are that good either or if Mahomes makes them better.
 

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Coopers stats were very good 3-4 years over 1000 yards why do you think Jerry gave up a first for him. Yes Cooper saved Dak no question or room for debate on that. As for Dalton have no idea how he will play if the team wins games and there is no drop off in offensive production what is Daks real value to the team, that's not some knock on Dak it is a question everyone should ask before paying top dollar for a QB that doesn't add elite value . If Dalton and the O suck then we will know Dak is a driving force on offense. So you say don't use the eye test but you use it on Dalton. A open mind is what everyone needs to have especially when paying a player top $$$, how did that work out for Zeke and Lawrence so far, how about Smith. You need to put your Dak love aside and see where this goes and if it's terrible what the worse case scenario a top draft pick and Dak is tagged again. 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 that is what Dak was bringing to the table anyway. I personally do not believe as long as Jerry meddles the Cowboys are going anywhere anyways so it's just entertainment.
Again. What were coopers stats the season he was traded. You obviously dont have an open mind. Since you decided to bring up career stats. Dak saved cooper just as much as cooper saved him. But youll see what you want.
 

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Again. What were coopers stats the season he was traded. You obviously dont have an open mind. Since you decided to bring up career stats. Dak saved cooper just as much as cooper saved him. But youll see what you want.
I get it Dak plain out stinking in 2017 and 2018 until cooper shows up and Dak saved Cooper! You are right though some only see what they want to.
 

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We don't really know that. And I could counter that Wentz won some games last year when all his receivers were injured. I understand the Eagles offense and the Eagles defense are not the Cowboys under Garrett but still some QB have made average receivers look really good. Brady does it. Rodgers does it. We don't know if Mahomes can do it or not but we don't know if his receivers are that good either or if Mahomes makes them better.
Ertz and Goeddert are top tier TE's we had dusty ole Wit
 
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