Dalton's play will decide Prescott's future

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Northern_Cowboy said:
Where was our offense when the Cleveland D wasn't sitting back in the 2nd and 3rd quarters? When we put up zero points? Only when Cleveland started sitting back in the 4th was our offense able to make a comeback. If our offense had done anything in the 2nd and 3rd quarters we wouldn't have been behind 41-14 going into the 4th...then maybe we might have actually been able to win the game.
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So you're saying we shouldn't have taken advantage of a tired/relaxed defense, that was stopping us for to 2 quarters? If the other team was tired or relaxed their defensive effort is their fault.

I agree the offense lacked, but you some how see it as a bad thing for a team to try to comeback. Its literally in the phrase... come-back. You can't comeback if you aren't down, you can't have one without the other.

No team in history has ever had, and held the lead every single game, the entire game.
 
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So you're saying we shouldn't have taken advantage of a tired/relaxed defense, that was stopping us for to 2 quarters? If the other team was tired or relaxed their defensive effort is their fault.

I agree the offense lacked, but you some how see it as a bad thing for a team to try to comeback. Its literally in the phrase... come-back. You can't comeback if you aren't down, you can't have one without the other.

No team in history has ever had, and held the lead every single game, the entire game.
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That's not what i'm saying at all. What i'm saying is the only reason we were able to do what we did in the 4th quarter was because the Browns took their foot off the pedal and let up and had they not done that we would have seen more of what we saw in the 2nd and 3rd quarters of that game
 

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Northern_Cowboy said:
That's not what i'm saying at all. What i'm saying is the only reason we were able to do what we did in the 4th quarter was because the Browns took their foot off the pedal and let up and had they not done that we would have seen more of what we saw in the 2nd and 3rd quarters of that game
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That's been the whole season outside of the Rams game but some fans don't want to hear that though.
 
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That's not what i'm saying at all. What i'm saying is the only reason we were able to do what we did in the 4th quarter was because the Browns took their foot off the pedal and let up and had they not done that we would have seen more of what we saw in the 2nd and 3rd quarters of that game
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I get it, the Browns held us to no points the second and third... **it happens. You nut up and fight to comeback. Then, if the team falls short, yall say Dak is the one who is running up "garbage" or "useless stats". Are yall for real?!?

No one can be 100%, 100% of the time. So its idiotic to hold Dak to that standard. What QB has ever done that? Don't worry I'll wait.
 
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I get it, the Browns held us to no points the second and third... **it happens. You nut up and fight to comeback. Then, if the team falls short, Dak is the one who is running up "garbage" or "useless stats". Are yall for real?!?

No one can be 100%, 100% of the time. So its idiotic to hold Dak to that standard. What QB has ever done that? Don't worry I'll wait.
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Hope you got a lifetime supply of Snickers on this one. No QB has ever led a team giving up 35 ppg to the playoffs. I don't even have to look that up.. If the defense doesn't pull its collective head out it won't matter how well Dalton plays.
 
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I have seen multiple threads of how Prescott should or shouldn't get paid next year.

The incredible twist now is how Andy Dalton and the team does the rest of the year will go a long ways to deciding his future and Prescott's with Dallas.

Scenario 1: Dallas doesn't win division or make playoffs. I think Dalton doesn't return and Prescott is franchised or signed long term.

Scenario 2: Dallas wins the division, but loses in wildcard round. I think Dalton is used as leverage against Prescott. If Prescott doesn't sign a team friendly deal, Dallas then signs Dalton to a 2 to 3 year deal at 20 million per(like Bridgewater) till the next quarterback is found. Prescott is exclusively tagged. If there are no takers before free agency the tag is rescinded and Prescott becomes free agent(should net 3rd round pick).

Scenario 3: Dallas wins divison and wins more than one playoff game. Dallas is now between a rock and a hard place. Dalton gets resigned, but his asking price just went up north of 25 million per. Dallas uses exclusive tag on Prescott, but if there are no takers, hits free agency. Same as scenario 3.

Scenario 4: Dallas wins SB. Dalton is signed to a long term deal(four years)and Prescott is done in Dallas.

The only scenario I see that Prescott comes back is Dallas not having a successful 2020. The more success Dallas has, the chances Prescott comes back drops with each victory.

Ironically, Prescott has to root against Dallas for his future in Dallas.
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You forgot an important item, if Dak is franchised and I believe he will be, then he probably signs that day meaning the Cowboys are on the hook for $37 million regardless if they release him or not and if they trade him then I contract would have to be worked out with the team he is traded to although it will be for far more than $37 million in bonus money, either way Dak wins and Dallas loses. Dalton is what a 10 year veteran and has seen a decline in his abilities (noticeable but not a hindrance yet). Remember the cap is probably going to go down so expect Dalton to resign for the same money despite what happens and expect Dak to be the starter in 2021 in Dallas. Speculation is a wonderful thing but rarely does it ever play out the way fans see it.
 
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And in 2020 which is the season we are in, after 5 weeks they are the 22nd ranked D in the NFL in yards allowed and the 25th ranked D in points allowed looks like by your numbers they have been getting worse every year since 2018
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Lets see this season the Browns are 4-1 and have a positive point differential unlike the Cowboys with a negative point differential. I've got 2 different rankings that have the browns as the #14 and #17 so one has them in the upper half of all defenses.

https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-defense-rankings-for-2020-season-updated/

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/all_32_nfl_defenses_ranked/s1__32486804#slide_1
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HonoluluCowboy said:
Why ??
If Dalton wins us a SB , why in Heck do we pay 40+ ,million a year for a Back Pedaling Choker named Dakota ?
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Where as I seriously doubt Dalton will win a Super Bowl at any time left in his career, there is less chance it will happen this season so your Prescott hating is visible for all to see.
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Lets see this season the Browns are 4-1 and have a positive point differential unlike the Cowboys with a negative point differential. I've got 2 different rankings that have the browns as the #14 and #17 so one has them in the upper half of all defenses.

https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-defense-rankings-for-2020-season-updated/

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/all_32_nfl_defenses_ranked/s1__32486804#slide_1
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Those aren't actual rankings one is somebody's opinion and the other is a preseason ranking. Here are actual rankings after week 5 of the 2020 season

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netYardsPerGame/dir/asc
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/dir/asc
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/totalPointsPerGame/dir/asc
 
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Do you actually know this stat? Cause I can't find it to argue either way...
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Points off turnovers
LA - 0
ATL - 23
SEA - 16
CLE - 17
NY - 14

After 5 games Dallas has allowed 70 points off turnovers or 14 per game.

Dallas has allowed 180 points minus 70 is 110 divided by 5 equals 22 points per game allowed minus turnovers.

I looked and saw that Green Bay only had 3 takeaways, just like the Dallas defense. But the Green Bay offense has had ZERO turnovers this year, best in the NFL. Dallas conversely has 11 turnovers tied with Philadelphia for worst in NFL.

There might be something to this turnover thing.
 
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Points off turnovers
LA - 0
ATL - 23
SEA - 16
CLE - 17
NY - 14

After 5 games Dallas has allowed 70 points off turnovers or 14 per game.

Dallas has allowed 180 points minus 70 is 110 divided by 5 equals 22 points per game allowed minus turnovers.

I looked and saw that Green Bay only had 3 takeaways, just like the Dallas defense. But the Green Bay offense has had ZERO turnovers this year, best in the NFL. Dallas conversely has 11 turnovers tied with Philadelphia for worst in NFL.

There might be something to this turnover thing.
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Making **** up to suit the narrative again I see..

Here is reality..

Against ATL

Dak fumble.. result 7
Zeke fumble result 7
Schultz fumble result 3

So that's 17.. one fallacy..

Against Seattle
safety result 2
Dak fumble result 7
INT result 7


Against Cleveland
Dak fumble result 7
Zeke fumble result 7

That's 14.. fallacy #2.

Against the Giants.
INT pick 6 result 7
Dalton fumble result 7

So a little quick math puts the total at 61. How you got to 70 is a mystery only you can explain. On half of these turnovers the ball was outside the 40 yard line. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the defense to hold them to a FG more than once a year.
 
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Making **** up to suit the narrative again I see..

Here is reality..

Against ATL

Dak fumble.. result 7
Zeke fumble result 7
Schultz fumble result 3

So that's 17.. one fallacy..

Against Seattle
safety result 2
Dak fumble result 7
INT result 7


Against Cleveland
Dak fumble result 7
Zeke fumble result 7

That's 14.. fallacy #2.

Against the Giants.
INT pick 6 result 7
Dalton fumble result 7

So a little quick math puts the total at 61. How you got to 70 is a mystery only you can explain. On half of these turnovers the ball was outside the 40 yard line. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the defense to hold them to a FG more than once a year.
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There is no "fallacy". It doesn't matter where the turnover happened. Statistical it counts as points off turnovers.

In the Atlanta game there were two attempted 4th downs off punts which failed and left Atlanta in FG range to begin their drives resulting in 6 points. Same thing happened in the Cleveland game resulting in 3 more points. There are your 9 missing points.

What's funny is that I posted this because another poster asked, no agenda. But you obviously do have one.

Dallas has allowed 70 points off turnovers. Baltimore has only allowed 76 points total to put that in perspective.

I'm sure if Dallas had the Green Bay model of 3 takeaways and no turnovers instead of 3 takeaways and 11 turnovers Dallas would be undefeated just like Green Bay.
 
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