The Steeler model

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I'm looking back at all the pro bowlers that tried to hold Pittsburgh hostage over contract negotiations............ Pittsburgh let them all walk. Leveon Bell, Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Santonio Holmes.....Plaxico Burress.....none of them did anything after losing their contract battle with the Steelers front office. Patriots have the same model.

Thats the model the Dallas Cowboys should be using. When a player becomes a malcontent over salary, they need to go. Management needs to stop appeasing the unhappy and look out for the best interest of the team which is always going to be salary cap flexibility. Those big guys in the middle, secondary players, TE...... these are unglamorous positions but hugely important to a team and not a place to settle for JAGS. You SHOULD go cheap at WR and RB b/c those positions are easily filled in the draft. We have been doing it backward with predictable results...... a top heavy roster with no depth.
 
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I agree. I think? They also do a lot of dirty things. They definitely understand the business side of football more but are also about to be tested because their stars are aging.

I do think that signing cooper was the right thing considering he took a team friendly deal. Zeke felt like a media pressure signing though, but it may also have been more about shiny skill players drum up interest.
When it happened, there were billboards and banners everywhere about Zeke. In my small, 3 hours from Houston town.
 
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visionary said:
They have a real GM

nuff said
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But more importantly, they have a team football philosophy and they don't stray from it. Thats why you never see them drafting in the top 10 and even last year with 2nd and 3rd string Qbs , the defense kept them in playoff contention. They are 4-0 this year. Point is that successful organizations have a "way" of doing things and that used to be the case here in Dallas.
 
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So did atlanta and that didnt get them a super bowl.
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They got there, didn't they? Falling one step short sure beats the heck out of not getting to even a conference championship game for decades. And what did the GM have to do with blowing a huge lead with little more than a quarter of the game to go?
Seems to me it's out of his hands once he gets the team set up, up to players and coaches after that...
 

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Plaxico did a lot on the Giants, we faced him a lot and he won a superbowl. Santonio came close to winning a superbowl. Not all were complete trash.
 
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They tagged Bell twice and offered him a contract that was going to give him more than $30m in the first two seasons. At the time, I think it would have been the richest ever for a RB.
AB got a big contract in 2017.
Plaxico left after he went to jail.
Santonio Holmes and Mike Wallace...weren't that good and performed about the same as they did in Pitt after they left anyway.

Roethlisberger has always been well paid. Maurkice Pouncey was one of the highest paid centers, DeCastro at one point was the highest paid guard.

The Steelers don't have any special model.
 
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atlantacowboy said:
I'm looking back at all the pro bowlers that tried to hold Pittsburgh hostage over contract negotiations............ Pittsburgh let them all walk. Leveon Bell, Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Santonio Holmes.....Plaxico Burress.....none of them did anything after losing their contract battle with the Steelers front office. Patriots have the same model.

Thats the model the Dallas Cowboys should be using. When a player becomes a malcontent over salary, they need to go. Management needs to stop appeasing the unhappy and look out for the best interest of the team which is always going to be salary cap flexibility. Those big guys in the middle, secondary players, TE...... these are unglamorous positions but hugely important to a team and not a place to settle for JAGS. You SHOULD go cheap at WR and RB b/c those positions are easily filled in the draft. We have been doing it backward with predictable results...... a top heavy roster with no depth.
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Ok but the Steelers also haven't won a Superbowl in 11 years? Not saying that's a reason to not manage a club the same way, but I don't think those examples you listed above are necessarily proof-positive that it's a winning formula either. You said the Patriots have the same model -- I'd be interested to see the people the Patriots have let walk in similar positions. Not saying it to be snarky, I don't follow them so I truly don't know.
 
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atlantacowboy said:
I'm looking back at all the pro bowlers that tried to hold Pittsburgh hostage over contract negotiations............ Pittsburgh let them all walk. Leveon Bell, Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Santonio Holmes.....Plaxico Burress.....none of them did anything after losing their contract battle with the Steelers front office. Patriots have the same model.

Thats the model the Dallas Cowboys should be using. When a player becomes a malcontent over salary, they need to go. Management needs to stop appeasing the unhappy and look out for the best interest of the team which is always going to be salary cap flexibility. Those big guys in the middle, secondary players, TE...... these are unglamorous positions but hugely important to a team and not a place to settle for JAGS. You SHOULD go cheap at WR and RB b/c those positions are easily filled in the draft. We have been doing it backward with predictable results...... a top heavy roster with no depth.
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the reason both the Pats and steelers have gotten away with letting talent walk is they’ve both had great QBs and very good coaching staffs, esp on defense.
 
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SumGuy said:
Ok but the Steelers also haven't won a Superbowl in 11 years? Not saying that's a reason to not manage a club the same way, but I don't think those examples you listed above are necessarily proof-positive that it's a winning formula either. You said the Patriots have the same model -- I'd be interested to see the people the Patriots have let walk in similar positions. Not saying it to be snarky, I don't follow them so I truly don't know.
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When you say winning formula, are you only considering Super Bowl wins? Because they've been to the playoffs in several of those years, a SB and a championship game. They've been largely relevant. The Patriots didn't let this guy walk, but they traded WR Cooks the year prior to him asking to be paid.

I haven't looked at the Patriots contracts, but I did notice something the Steelers like to do when signing. It's smart, but not all players like it, LeVeon Bell for example. Their contracts have little to no guarantees other than signing bonus. I'm pretty sure Bell was offered 5 years 75 Mil with a 10 million dollar signing bonus. He turned it down. Probably not because of the total amount, but because he didn't like the fact he would have to continue playing well in order to cash in each year. That's a good way to structure contracts. It prevents players from quitting after they get extended.
 
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SumGuy said:
Ok but the Steelers also haven't won a Superbowl in 11 years? Not saying that's a reason to not manage a club the same way, but I don't think those examples you listed above are necessarily proof-positive that it's a winning formula either. You said the Patriots have the same model -- I'd be interested to see the people the Patriots have let walk in similar positions. Not saying it to be snarky, I don't follow them so I truly don't know.
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Some of the quality players the Patriots have let walk or traded away instead of paying them big dollars in (looming) free agency, or when they became problematic ... not all the players are all pro level, but are starters and/or quality depth ... this is not an exhaustive list, and it does not include players at the end of their careers (like Wilfork & Vrabel for example) ... in no particular order
  • Logan Mankins, OG
  • Chandler Jones, DE
  • Trey Flowers, DE
  • Elandon Roberts, LB
  • Kyle Van Noy, LB
  • Deion Branch, WR
  • Asante Samuels, CB
  • Ty Law, CB
  • Lawyer Milloy, S
  • Randy Moss, WR
  • Legarette Blount, RB
  • Adam Vinatieri, K
  • Jamie Collins, LB
 
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They've had 3 head coaches since 1969. The owner hires a GM and gets out of the way.

The Cowboys had a similar model from 1960-1988.
 
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CorpusChristiCowboy said:
I agree. I think? They also do a lot of dirty things. They definitely understand the business side of football more but are also about to be tested because their stars are aging.

I do think that signing cooper was the right thing considering he took a team friendly deal. Zeke felt like a media pressure signing though, but it may also have been more about shiny skill players drum up interest.
When it happened, there were billboards and banners everywhere about Zeke. In my small, 3 hours from Houston town.
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That model only works if you draft well and develop your young players. The Steelers haven’t remained contenders by drafting guys like Taco Charlton over TJ Watts or Jaylon Smith over Myles Jack or even Zeke over Jalen Ramsey. Imagine our defense with those three aforementioned players on it. Steelers do a great job of identifying players that match their schemes and developing that talent. Cowboys not so much.
 
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You know what the Patriots model was? Having Brady/Bill to make up for the rest. It's easy not to have to rely on paying your star players when they were so good, they could play with lesser skill players than others.
 
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Get refs to be on your side.

Play dirty and cheat.

But, also have a very good front office model.

That's the Steelers way. It works.
 
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