Would You? Simmons to Cowboys

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If he agrees to an extension before hand id give up a second for him in a second. I get not wanting to dump resources into what may be a lost year at this point, but we need to address the S position for the future as well. This does that, and allows us to avoid the astronomical price of a Jamal adams type player.
 

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We keep on saying we are going to get a safety in the draft. We keep on saying this. Our draft strategy is BPA and the chance that the BPA brings a safety in the 1st or 2nd round that can play right away is slim.

Having an elite safety is a must in the pass happy NFL. Having a safety that can provide great run support, blitz effectively, but who can also play man to man coverage effectively against the new age RB's or TE's is vital. If we can do a 2nd round 2021 and 2022 4th round pick. Why not? We have opportunities to get some good compensatory picks from one of the QB's (Dak or Dalton)

Also, if we do decide to part ways with him and not sign him...we get a 3rd round pick back.
 

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ESPN has the Cowboys bolstering its secondary by trading for Broncos safety Justin Simmons who’s a low-key star.

Broncos trade Justin Simmons to Cowboys
Dallas Cowboys get: S Justin Simmons
Denver Broncos get: 2021 second-round pick, 2022 fourth-round pick

Two years ago, a struggling Cowboys team turned around its season by sending a first-round pick to the Raiders for Amari Cooper. The move was widely panned, but Dallas was right: The Cowboys were a much better team with Cooper on the field, they won the NFC East and they turned around what had been a struggling Dak Prescott.

Now, it's a flailing defense that needs to be fixed. The Cowboys haven't been interested in safety Earl
Thomas, but what they need is someone who can be stout against the run and solid in coverage. Trading for Simmons would be a bold move, especially given that they just lost Prescott for the season, but Dallas has enough to win the NFC East with Andy Daltonbehind center if it can get the secondary right. Team owner Jerry Jones and the front office also have shown an interest in trading for young stars they can sign to extensions, and Simmons would presumably be open to a significant extension on the sort of long-term deal the Cowboys favor.

Broncos fans would likely want to hold out for a Jamal Adams-sized package in return for their star safety, but that's just not realistic. Adams was two years away from free agency, while Simmons is already on his first franchise tag. The Broncos weren't able to come to terms on a contract extension before the season with the Boston College product, and with Simmons set to make $13.7 million on a second franchise tag against a $175 million cap next year, things aren't going to get any easier.

If Denver loses its next two games and falls out of the playoff race at 1-5, it will have to face facts. There's no sense in having Simmons play the second half of a lost season before letting him leave in free agency. Locking in a second-round pick gets the Broncos a better pick than a third-round compensatory selection, has that pick arrive a year early and allows general manager John Elway to spend in free agency without negating that would-be compensatory pick.
Price would have to be decent
 

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I don’t trade 2 draft picks for a guy that is only going to play 11 games. I doubt we could sign him long term for the money he will want. So nope. If they want a 5th I’m down.
 

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I would keep all of my draft picks for next season. With the decreased salary cap and the pending franchise tag for Dak, we need to keep the picks to fill out our roster. Plus Simmons wants to get paid and has Dak’s agent.
Not to mention, we will probably flop as well. We will be drafting closer to the top which should bring in some good talent. The 2nd round pick we send to Denver could turn out to be the 38th pick in the draft and a 4th rounder the following season?? Nawww
 

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If we really want to sink a mega contract into a safety just wait until next year when he can be had on the open market for free. Or better yet just draft someone.
Agreed. Besides, lets not fool ourselves. The NFC east is weak, which means we could win it. However, the goal is to win the super bowl, we wont sniff the championship with this team and team culture. We would destroy our prime draft position by not playing our back ups to see what we got going into next season.
 

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Cooper.

Also, Roy Williams.


Ehhh. Amari saved our season, and has paced the offense since arriving.

Roy ... barf. I’d successfully blocked him from my memory. Thanks :-(
 

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We keep on saying we are going to get a safety in the draft. We keep on saying this. Our draft strategy is BPA and the chance that the BPA brings a safety in the 1st or 2nd round that can play right away is slim.

Having an elite safety is a must in the pass happy NFL. Having a safety that can provide great run support, blitz effectively, but who can also play man to man coverage effectively against the new age RB's or TE's is vital. If we can do a 2nd round 2021 and 2022 4th round pick. Why not? We have opportunities to get some good compensatory picks from one of the QB's (Dak or Dalton)

Also, if we do decide to part ways with him and not sign him...we get a 3rd round pick back.
Our draft strategy is BPA? No wonder we remain a .500 team. We'll never get better if we don't fix our weaknesses.
 

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Draft strategy is best offensive skill position player available in round one and desperation best available defender in the second round that dropped due to injury or off field issues. And boy does it ever show on on game days.
 

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Draft strategy is best offensive skill position player available in round one and desperation best available defender in the second round that dropped due to injury or off field issues. And boy does it ever show on on game days.

....or well known substance abuse problem in the 2nd round.
 

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Ehhh. Amari saved our season, and has paced the offense since arriving.

Roy ... barf. I’d successfully blocked him from my memory. Thanks :-(
And you think it was worth a 1st for one season? We were .500 last season w/ Amari, and then we had to pay him an exorbitant salary. And we're not winning this season w/ him. This story is not written yet by a long shot, and if we remain a .500 team and release him after next season(as has been projected) it turns out to be a terrible team killing trade.

You can get talented players for 1sts that are fixin' to demand a high salary all day. Teams often dump them because you cannot pay everyone. The Coop trade was pure and simply about us taking on his salary. And our D is even worse. Look beyond what Cooper is as a player, and think what we could've gotten for 20 mil. DJ Reader comes to mind, and he would fix more problems than Coop. Signed for 13 mil.
 

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Draft strategy is best offensive skill position player available in round one and desperation best available defender in the second round that dropped due to injury or off field issues. And boy does it ever show on on game days.
BPA leads to .500 ball.

No team w/ any brains whatsoever uses BPA as a draft strategy.
 

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Unless he's Deion Sanders, a defensive back is not going to fix what's ailing this defense.
 

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BPA leads to .500 ball.

No team w/ any brains whatsoever uses BPA as a draft strategy.

I think you can do it if you plan out your draft making trades where needed and spend wisely in free agent
 

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Unless he's Deion Sanders, a defensive back is not going to fix what's ailing this defense.
And even Deion would not fix this.

What ails our D is high picks used on injury prone and problem players, and a flat refusal to fix the weaknesses at DT and S. To Jerry: STOP. JUST STOP. THIS BLUEPRINT UNEQUIVOCALLY DOES NOT WORK.
 

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I think you can do it if you plan out your draft making trades where needed and spend wisely in free agent
Nope. It's been tried, and has failed miserably every time. BPA might get you a bit over .500, but then you'll lose to playoff teams due to weaknesses that needed to be addressed.

Look at Ceedee. I love the player. Even though I wasn't on board at the time, I am now. He was indeed too good to pass up.

Now, look at the big pic. Did he make us better? He didn't. Why? Because we desperately need D. I was OK w/ CeeDee, because I knew we weren't going to be a juggernaut this season, and would remain a borderline playoff team. Which is what we'll remain if we don't fix the D.

Soooooo, BPA. If another WR is sliding and is the obvious BPA, do you take another WR?
 

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Contract stuff aside, I'm not sure why we'd trade for a safety when a team can hand off the football and get 5 yards.... Is there a fat guy we can trade for to sure up our front 7? We paid the linebacker to do a thing, it'd like to support support that first.
 

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Contract stuff aside, I'm not sure why we'd trade for a safety when a team can hand off the football and get 5 yards.... Is there a fat guy we can trade for to sure up our front 7? We paid the linebacker to do a thing, it'd like to support support that first.
NE, BUFF, KC, SEA, LAR, and SF snap those fat guys up while everyone else is fighting over WR's and CB's.
 

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If he agrees to an extension before hand id give up a second for him in a second. I get not wanting to dump resources into what may be a lost year at this point, but we need to address the S position for the future as well. This does that, and allows us to avoid the astronomical price of a Jamal adams type player.

Good post.

If giving up a pick allows them to get a slightly better deal on the player from a contract perspective then it is worth considering.

The problem with Simmons is that he is playing on the Franchise Tag which means they can't sign him to a new contract this season.

They would have to just get a hand-shake agreement on what contract he would accept in March of 2021 when they can sign him.
 
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