This Season Is Over

john van brocklin · Oct 15, 2020

Cebrin said:
I wouldn't go that far, but you're unfortunately not too far fetched.

Disappointed so far. Welp

Cebrin · Oct 15, 2020

Flamma said:
You know what's screwed up though? Even if our D starts to play better we lost our two starting tackles. Dalton is going to be under attack! You can't make this crap up, we have too many injuries. But I'm hoping for the best.

I'm less concerned on offense. Even with a banged up Line, playcalling can counter it considering the surrounding talent. We basically have 3 #1's at receiver, and easily a top 5 back.

The defense magically doing a 180 is to me far fetched, because I feel Nolan is the most responsible for what we're seeing vs talent.

xwalker · Oct 16, 2020

Jarv said:
Wasn't that 1985 or 1986?

1985. I had a fat finger on the keyboard moment.

Week 11
Sun November 17, 1985
1:00PM ET
Chicago Bears 44
Dallas Cowboys 0

xwalker · Oct 16, 2020

Kaiser said:
Hopefully Knight and Steele can give them an average level of play. You read that they started Steele when he was a liability because they thought he would improve steadily and it seems he has.

Also Erving has had stretches of playing like an average starter, if he came back to be average I would be thrilled.

In review, I though Steele was slightly better than Knight; although, RT is a lower degree of difficulty.

Cebrin · Oct 16, 2020

I think a lot of you are misunderstanding me. If you think we're winning a Superbowl this year you're crazy! (IMO) I'd be happy for a playoff STINT, of course. What I am saying is, I don't see enough from all 3 phases to suggest we are in contention to be a team that excels consistently in the future. Outside of the offense (and that is breaking down), there's not much to get excited about. What I am asking from my fellow zoners is, what do you think personally gets us closer, and/or are you just buying the hype, and believe we are there?

A lot of responses have been from prominent, intelligent poster's here, and I feel that most of you have just misunderstood my intoxicated driven post, without proper context. :muttley:

waving monkey · Oct 16, 2020

well its not entirely anybodies fault its just old.
I ditched this season come covid the bright spots are
we're seeing our back ups develop and the center pretty big there
our wr are solid but we'll lose Gallup I think
If we can stay lucky in the draft .........
We need DB's and IDL

ItzKelz · Oct 16, 2020

Cebrin said:
This isn't the Giants who had a great defense, and got healthy in the stretch. This is the Cowboys. I hate to ruin the optimistic crowd here, but there's no Superbowl in this teams near future.

So now, what? What do we need to head in the right direction? Trades, off-season acquirement, cuts, and the like. What are your expectations moving forward, or are you still full of Jerry hype, and believe that we can still pull it off? Discuss.

Jeffkills · Oct 16, 2020

jnday said:
I believe the season was going down the tubes until Dak got injured. With Dalton stepping in, I do have curiosity about the next few games and how Dalton perform. The Jones family likes their players a lot, so I don’t expect that they will make any trades that would upgrade the team. The Jones think that they are just one or two players that needs to be added to the team to reach the Super Bowl. It is hard to get me excited after seeing how this will play out.

Without being disingenuous, I have to agree...

Even with a healthy Dak blowing up the sats, the team was nothing more than smelly turd.

Perhaps the offense experiences similar success while transitioning back to ball control ground and pound.. If so, at least the D wouldn’t be getting abused as rapidly as it while we we’re running the arena league offense...

The only shot we’ve got is to wear down the D while keep our D rested, because there’s not a chance in hell we’re going to winning shootouts.,..

Perhaps with Dalton, we’ll refocus on the running game earlier, which might not only wear down the opposition early and keep our D rested' but also it may actually set up the pass if teams have to respect our 2-dimensional attack...

Otherwise, we might as well just plan on continuing a 1/4 winning pattern... God I hate our defense...

Here’s hoping we go hog wild in the off-season, by hook or crook, and re-emerge with an elite D. With our offensive weapons at skill positions, we should be unable to score 30 or so every week, even with a sub-average QB who has a high degree of pocket presence...

Jeffkills · Oct 16, 2020

dsturgeon said:
I don't get it. We are leading the division, and we have LVE, Cheeto, Lee, Gregory, and Erving coming back from injury. Anything can happen in the playoffs

This.....

Flamma · Oct 16, 2020

Cebrin said:
I'm less concerned on offense. Even with a banged up Line, playcalling can counter it considering the surrounding talent. We basically have 3 #1's at receiver, and easily a top 5 back.

The defense magically doing a 180 is to me far fetched, because I feel Nolan is the most responsible for what we're seeing vs talent.

Yeah a 180 is not going to happen. But if Dallas gets Chido, Lee, LVE, and Gregory back, best case scenario is that it can improve to where it's not record breaking trash. That would equate to around 40-70 points less given up the rest of the way. That can have some impact. But then again, I'm going the DC gets it together at some point.

Doomsday101 · Oct 16, 2020

Cebrin said:
I think a lot of you are misunderstanding me. If you think we're winning a Superbowl this year you're crazy! (IMO) I'd be happy for a playoff STINT, of course. What I am saying is, I don't see enough from all 3 phases to suggest we are in contention to be a team that excels consistently in the future. Outside of the offense (and that is breaking down), there's not much to get excited about. What I am asking from my fellow zoners is, what do you think personally gets us closer, and/or are you just buying the hype, and believe we are there?

A lot of responses have been from prominent, intelligent poster's here, and I feel that most of you have just misunderstood my intoxicated driven post, without proper context.

I believe often times what a team looks like early in the season and what they look like later in a season often times changes. Teams who may look like a SB contender today very well may not look like that late in the season. I do think if Dallas continues to play as they have on defense then this team is going no where.

Typhus · Oct 16, 2020

Cebrin said:
I'm honestly perplexed. I think the
this team has a lot of talent. Just no cohesion. Maybe because they draft BAP, instead of drafting a fit for scheme? Who knows.

Could be, but no preseason, entirely new staff, new HC, might have contributed.

gongjr · Oct 16, 2020

Cebrin said:
I think a lot of you are misunderstanding me. If you think we're winning a Superbowl this year you're crazy! (IMO) I'd be happy for a playoff STINT, of course. What I am saying is, I don't see enough from all 3 phases to suggest we are in contention to be a team that excels consistently in the future. Outside of the offense (and that is breaking down), there's not much to get excited about. What I am asking from my fellow zoners is, what do you think personally gets us closer, and/or are you just buying the hype, and believe we are there?

A lot of responses have been from prominent, intelligent poster's here, and I feel that most of you have just misunderstood my intoxicated driven post, without proper context.

My hope comes from the fact that after yet another turnover from a pass happy game plan, we settled in and ran the ball..... If we play like that, we can at least try to hide our defense. ST just needs to be better.... I feel like simply changing how we approach the game would give us a much better shot to at least be competitive and out of hole digging mode every week. Not asking for 3 yards & a cloud of dust football, but this offense controlling the game and the defense playing with a lead are how we're designed, and I'm just thinking a balanced approach would be our best way to get to our strength. Granted, based on how undisciplined we've been overall i'm not moving out of hope into confidence any time soon.

75boyz · Oct 16, 2020

Cebrin said:
Good lord. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by expressing my opinions. The internet must be a scary place for you.

As I told another poster in the culture thread, just brush it off man.
The fanhood regulators do this every now and again to the more results oriented fans as a way to demean any opinion posted that even hints at a negative critique.
Just a simple difference in the patience level of waiting for over a quarter century to maybe halfway expect a contending team.
I've also grown a little impatient waiting myself as possibly some other disappointed fans on this site have I'm sure.
Feel free to post your opinion at will.
I fought well over 20 years preserving you that freedom of choice right to express your free speech.
Mr. Internet My Opinion Only matters sure ain't changing my level of fanhood at this point.
Get outta my face with that nonsense, lol

Still somewhat impatiently waiting(at this point)and without the last name Jones even, lol

Go Cowboys

jnday · Oct 16, 2020

blueblood70 said:
this is why fans are clowns, you think you could do a better job and are ignorant for thinking as much..

you think Jerry and jerry alone is sitting up on some pedestals' making these draft picks and all the decsions?

you are solely mistaken, Like all Teams the DC FO relies on a large scouting department that scout year round, will Mclay, the current coaching staff and yes the jones are part of the decsions but they have many voices guiding them and a Pro Team is run lime corporation regardless if it a family who has primary ownership.. there are many employees within this origination that have strong input on all decsions..

I dont look back 30 years you grade teams much like college 4-5 years at time so many players and coaches etc change over time its never the same even if it feels like it and the last 5-10 years you can see the difference in the decsions within the organization..

yes the campo years that 4-5 year period post jimmy shock jerry ran around like he had PTSD a rudderless boat were bad real bad..this is not those years.. it was horrible

You are giving the FO a lot of undeserved credit. As I said, anybody can go a couple decades without being producing a Super Bowl contender. How many championship teams do you remember seeing in Dallas over the last 20+ years? I can’t believe the low standards you have for this bunch. I refuse to glorify mediocrity, but you have no problem doing it. That is one reason why the FO has no problem with losing. They know that Cowboy fans will continue to spend their money no matter how pathetic a team Jerry assembles. Cowboy fans just lap it up and keep spending. Tell me exactly what all of those scouts and personnel have found that a draft guide has not. This team is not loaded with undiscovered, late round gems that are playing at an All-Pro level and the picks made in the first 3-4 rounds are known by every fan that keeps up with the draft. How do you feel comfortable defending this mess year after year?

CouchCoach · Oct 16, 2020

The season is not over by a long shot but that depends on how you define the season. 13-3 and headed to the SB? That was over before it started because they didn't do enough to fix the on going problem and why they haven't gone any deeper in the playoffs. Don't have to have a good D to have a good regular season but the playoffs are different.

The Cowboys are still in line to take the East and prevent the Eagles from being the first to repeat since 2004, when they last did that. That is good enough for me to call this a successful season.

And no I haven't lowered my standards, I adjusted in order to stay a fan of the team I have been a fan of for over 50 years and some seem to think by keeping those SB or bust standards, they are better fans than I am.

Ya know, I look at being a fan like having a kid. They can disappoint us and surprise us and frustrate us and inspire us and they can change as they mature, just as my fanhood has done. One thing I have done that many here have not, accepted how things are and will be as long as the present management is in place. I have not lowered my standards as much as I have realigned my expectations to limit disappointment. Great expectations beget great disappointment.

Cebrin · Oct 16, 2020

CouchCoach said:
The season is not over by a long shot but that depends on how you define the season. 13-3 and headed to the SB? That was over before it started because they didn't do enough to fix the on going problem and why they haven't gone any deeper in the playoffs. Don't have to have a good D to have a good regular season but the playoffs are different.

The Cowboys are still in line to take the East and prevent the Eagles from being the first to repeat since 2004, when they last did that. That is good enough for me to call this a successful season.

And no I haven't lowered my standards, I adjusted in order to stay a fan of the team I have been a fan of for over 50 years and some seem to think by keeping those SB or bust standards, they are better fans than I am.

Ya know, I look at being a fan like having a kid. They can disappoint us and surprise us and frustrate us and inspire us and they can change as they mature, just as my fanhood has done. One thing I have done that many here have not, accepted how things are and will be as long as the present management is in place. I have not lowered my standards as much as I have realigned my expectations to limit disappointment. Great expectations beget great disappointment.

If this is my kid, it needs rehab, and better association. :muttley:

Whirlwin · Oct 16, 2020

zrinkill said:
Did not hurt my feelings at all ...... I am used to posters like you.

Vice a versa, my cowboy brother

75boyz · Oct 16, 2020

SumGuy said:
This is actually one of my concerns too. I feel we will still win the Division, but I'm not sure that's necessarily a good thing for us at this point. This is clearly not a Championship-caliber team, so us prevailing over a bad Division only pushes us further down the draft-pick ladder. Of course you always play to win, but would I be terribly upset if we fell short of the Division and it landed us a better draft position? Imagine if the draft difference between 7-9 (Division champs, eliminated 1st round) and 6-10 (no playoffs) is the difference between choosing 21st and 8th.

When these annual and very logically thought out discussions on whether to tank or not and the surrounding circumstances are taken into account for that specific year, I weigh in on what is the best long term solution towards genuine change taking place.

All I know is the last unintended team tank of 1-15 netted a haul of a mini 5 yr dynasty and several years of competitive football.

McCarthy can't hold JJs jock as a coach but just maybe if MM was given those type of draft resources the team wouldn't be stuck in mediocre purgatory for going on forever now.

Whatever it takes for genuine wholesale philosophical change to take place and not "just" tweak it or a player or 2 away mentality.

And then I woke up, lol

Unless the Jones Cartel tragically passes away collectively I know this pipe dream ain't happening.

It's America though, one can still dream

Go Cowboys

garyo1954 · Oct 16, 2020

garyo1954 said:
Agreed! And we knew that before the season started. Only two first year head coaches have ever won the Super Bowl. Don McCafferty with the Colts and George Seifert with the 49ers.
Anybody who expected a Super Bowl fooled themselves.

This team desperately needs a reset game. They need a game they control from start to finish to build some confidence. So far every game has been an emotional uphill battle. They get down, they come back only to fall in a hole (again). This team seems to be nice guys while they are getting mugged by people who want to stomp their throats.

Need to correct this.....

George Seifert and Don McCafferty were not the only 1st year head coaches to take a team to the Super Bowl but the only two to win a Super Bowl in their Rookie season as Head Coach. The other three Bill Callahan, Red Miller, and Jim Caldwell lost.

Red Miller led the Bronco's against Landry's Cowboys after taking over from John Ralston who had finished the prior year 9-5.
Jim Caldwell replaced Tony Dungy who had finished 12-4 in 2008. Caldwell lost to Sean Payton's Saints.
And the strange case of Chucky. Gruden led to Raiders to the Divisional game (2001) before being traded to Tampa Bay. Bill Callahan was named the Raiders Head Coach. So both Gruden and Callahan were 1st year Head Coaches in Super Bowl XXXVII.

Going by that there has been six rookie, or first year HCs, out of the 108 (.05555%) that have gotten to the Super Bowl.

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