Trade Amari This Offseason?

PAPPYDOG · Oct 16, 2020

Texas_Pete said:
I can't believe I'm typing this but I think it's time to trade him. Gallup has WR1 traits. Cee Dee does as well. Cedric Wilson seems poised to be a good WR3. They are all on their rookie deals. Gallup gonna need a new contract and we know eventually Cee Dee gonna get a big 2nd contract.

Love Coop but at $20M I am expecting more from him. His knick knack injuries are starting to pile up. Not sure what the Cowboys can get for him, but trading him should be explored this offseason or sooner.

Thoughts?

He got overpaid and we lost a # 1 pick as our QB couldn't score a TD without him.....now who the heck wants his contract?

Cowboyny · Oct 16, 2020

Texas_Pete said:
I can't believe I'm typing this but I think it's time to trade him. Gallup has WR1 traits. Cee Dee does as well. Cedric Wilson seems poised to be a good WR3. They are all on their rookie deals. Gallup gonna need a new contract and we know eventually Cee Dee gonna get a big 2nd contract.

Love Coop but at $20M I am expecting more from him. His knick knack injuries are starting to pile up. Not sure what the Cowboys can get for him, but trading him should be explored this offseason or sooner.

Thoughts?

It's my understanding there is an out clause after year 2, team cannot trade him as it would be a huge cap hit until then.

fivetwos · Oct 16, 2020

Plankton said:
His 2020 and 2021 salaries are fully guaranteed for injury and skill. He had a $10M signing bonus when he signed the contract. The reason why Spotrac would have the $28M as dead cap is because the remainder of the unamortized bonus ($8M) and the guaranteed salary ($20M) for 2021 would be the Cowboys responsibility if they cut him. If Cooper is traded, the Cowboys would have an $8M cap hit for his remaining bonus, but his salary guarantee would transfer to his new team.

That being said, no one will trade for a $20M guarantee on a good, but not great receiver.

Very well said and thanks.

Another factor as well...is always that "next year" is the year this team finally puts it all together and gets into that Super Bowl, according to our GM.

That's why we couldnt have an Elliott or Lawrence holdout, or why overpaid guys arent released.

Misevaluating the talent level on this team is the one thing Jerry and his kid are truly good at.

Doomsday101 · Oct 16, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
He got overpaid and we lost a # 1 pick as our QB couldn't score a TD without him.....now who the heck wants his contract?

Cooper contract is well within line of other top WR Hopkins is bring in 27.25 million a year Julio Jones and Keenan Allen both make more than Cooper. Who would want the contract? a team in need of a top WR since Cooper deal is well within range

CouchCoach · Oct 16, 2020

Flamma said:
That's all fine and dandy, I'm just against trading him period. He's probably only going to be here one more year. What's the rush?

There isn't one in my mind because this assumption is trade Cooper and make the defense better and there is 0 evidence that would happen.

The question is what to do with Gallup in 2021-22? He's our latest Alvin Harper and will want #1 money and status and they cannot pay Cooper and Gallup.

I did not like the Lamb pick as D was our screaming need; however, I saw that as an opportunity to keep Gallup and pair him with Lamb in 2021-22. I keep 2021 in there because they may want to get out in front of his contract expiring that year and they will have that 5th year option with Lamb.

fivetwos · Oct 16, 2020

Cowboyny said:
It's my understanding there is an out clause after year 2, team cannot trade him as it would be a huge cap hit until then.

Not saying that isnt correct but it really shouldn't be that way when it comes to trades.

The other team picks up the contract. It is much different than a flat out release.

Edit....maybe it's a tank prevention type of thing....just guessing

Texas_Pete · Oct 16, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Umm, why do you think CeeDee is open all the freaking time?

Fantasy football done made fans stupid.

Stupid? I beg to differ, dude.

J-man · Oct 16, 2020

kskboys said:
Cap hit will only be 8 mil if he's traded.

Well Than I'd listen to offers after the season. But i'm not making a deal unless we get a very good return.

Flamma · Oct 16, 2020

kskboys said:
I'd only trade him if the return is significant.

The only rush is to get more cap room and assets to build the D. If we could get a 1 and his cap hit is only 8 mil, I'd do it. Why? Because we're simply going nowhere until we have a D, and we appear to be several players away.

Yeah, but I'd worry that we might break one thing while trying to fix the other. Our offense can manage without Cooper, but get one injury and then what? Then Schultz will go back to normal.

Texas_Pete · Oct 16, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Don't look at his numbers as much as the overall effect on the offense. Cooper is still job 1 for every secondary, he's still the guy to pull more doubles than Gallup or Lamb. That might change and when it does, he will be a handful if he is healthy.

I do not see the Cowboys trading him during this season because they need all the offense they can muster just to stay at .500 and in the hunt for the division.

Great post.

CouchCoach · Oct 16, 2020

Can't equate caps across the board, the Cowboys are heavy O but a team that is heavy D could easily manage a 20M WR contract if he fits their offense. It is not lost on other GMs how Cooper helped this young QB. There are others that need great route runners.

Cooper's trade value is directly proportionate to his consistency and not disappearing during games. That, no team will want. That is how the Cowboys ended up with him. But if being doubled can excuse some of that inconsistency, that's different and there's not an OC in the game that doesn't want a WR that can pull doubles.

CWR · Oct 16, 2020

Its going to be completely dependent on cap ramifications. We made need to accelerate his guaranteed money and go one more year. Id do it too, so we can keep Gallup.

BUT, in two years think of what Gallup will command. If we are gonna trade a WR, it may need to he Gallup and we need to do it soon most likely.

The resident cap experts probably have a better idea.

gjkoeppen · Oct 16, 2020

Texas_Pete said:
I can't believe I'm typing this but I think it's time to trade him. Gallup has WR1 traits. Cee Dee does as well. Cedric Wilson seems poised to be a good WR3. They are all on their rookie deals. Gallup gonna need a new contract and we know eventually Cee Dee gonna get a big 2nd contract.

Love Coop but at $20M I am expecting more from him. His knick knack injuries are starting to pile up. Not sure what the Cowboys can get for him, but trading him should be explored this offseason or sooner.

Thoughts?

It never fails. When the Cowboys get good depth at a position there comes fans playing wannabe GM and wanting to start trading off some of that depth. And by doing so and wanting to trade Cooper this coming off season fail to think ahead and realize that would but 28 mil on the dead money just in time for next season when there will be a lower cap. Please stick to fantasy football.
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Flamma · Oct 16, 2020

CouchCoach said:
There isn't one in my mind because this assumption is trade Cooper and make the defense better and there is 0 evidence that would happen.

The question is what to do with Gallup in 2021-22? He's our latest Alvin Harper and will want #1 money and status and they cannot pay Cooper and Gallup.

I did not like the Lamb pick as D was our screaming need; however, I saw that as an opportunity to keep Gallup and pair him with Lamb in 2021-22. I keep 2021 in there because they may want to get out in front of his contract expiring that year and they will have that 5th year option with Lamb.

They don't have to extend Gallup after this season. They can wait until after next season when Cooper is most likely out. But that would cost the Cowboys more in not only contract, but cap space on his new contract. So they should try to extend him after this season if possible.

CWR · Oct 16, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Can't equate caps across the board, the Cowboys are heavy O but a team that is heavy D could easily manage a 20M WR contract if he fits their offense. It is not lost on other GMs how Cooper helped this young QB. There are others that need great route runners.

Cooper's trade value is directly proportionate to his consistency and not disappearing during games. That, no team will want. That is how the Cowboys ended up with him. But if being doubled can excuse some of that inconsistency, that's different and there's not an OC in the game that doesn't want a WR that can pull doubles.

Other teams also realize there are only so many balls to go around, and we have a lot of mouths to feed.

Texas_Pete · Oct 16, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
It never fails. When the Cowboys get good depth at a position there comes fans playing wannabe GM and wanting to start trading off some of that depth. And by doing so and wanting to trade Cooper this coming off season fail to think ahead and realize that would but 28 mil on the dead money just in time for next season when there will be a lower cap. Please stick to fantasy football.
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This is the 2nd poster quoting me about fantasy football. I don't play it.

I do know Dak has to get paid. Gallup is next WR that needs to get paid. Cee Dee after that. Can Dallas afford to pay all these guys? I dunno. That's part of the premise of this thread. Has nothing to do with fantasy football.

Stash · Oct 16, 2020

kskboys said:
If we got rid of Coop, it would be more of a salary dump than anything. However, there's some teams who could seriously use him, so it would be interesting to see if someone would bite.

Texans? Ravens? SEA? Packers? Just throwing out some names.

I can't see any of those teams, but your guess is as good as mine. But I'd have to ask, if you're "salary dumping" one year in, what the hell kind of planning did you have in the first place?

gjkoeppen · Oct 16, 2020

Flamma said:
They don't have to extend Gallup after this season. They can wait until after next season when Cooper is most likely out. But that would cost the Cowboys more in not only contract, but cap space on his new contract. So they should try to extend him after this season if possible.

The Cowboys, if smart, are not going to extend any contract that they don't absolutely have to because the cap amount is going to be less next season not more.
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Stash · Oct 16, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
again it would have to be a #1 Cooper is 2nd in the NFL only behind Hopkins in receptions, people here are acting as if he a scrub. He is one of the top WR in the NFL and I expect something in return not like Houston did when they got rid of Hopkins.

And I'm fairly certain nobody would give up that #1 pick to then have to pay the player $20 million a year.

gjkoeppen · Oct 16, 2020

Texas_Pete said:
This is the 2nd poster quoting me about fantasy football. I don't play it.

I do know Dak has to get paid. Gallup is next WR that needs to get paid. Cee Dee after that. Can Dallas afford to pay all these guys? I dunno. That's part of the premise of this thread. Has nothing to do with fantasy football.

Hey you started this thread by saying to trade Cooper in the off season and not realizing that's putting 28 mil on the dead money on a cap that will be less not more and also trading away depth which both of those ideas are very much like what those that play fantasy football do. Since people are saying you play fantasy football should tell you that your idea is that of someone that plays fantasy football.
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