Jalen Ramsey and Derrick Henry vs Zeke and Jaylon Smith

CWR · Oct 18, 2020

Whyjerry said:
Ramsey > Jaylon Smith

Zeke > Henry

Ramsey > Zeke > Henry > Smith

Ramsey > 2018 Smith > Zeke > Henry

Henry is an absolute animal. Im not sure you can say anyone in the league is better right now. He isn't much a receiver, but dear lord he's a tough runner.

Proof · Oct 18, 2020

aria said:
What exactly do you want to know? How he’s not nearly as good at short yard situations? What about elusiveness? What about broken tackles, missed tackles forced, yards after catch, yards after contact? Most of what I’m referring to goes back to 2017- current because I’ve never denied his 2016 year.

Gotcha. Yeah I was looking at the more conventional stats.

that’s fairly damning

aria · Oct 18, 2020

Blackspider214 said:
These are so stupid. Do you know how fluid the draft is and a pick here and there can have a huge domino effect? It's silly to think the entire draft happens the exact same except our draft picks.Quit living in the past. Zeke was the right pick for what we did on offense. And right away, he was a huge piece and we were a top team, even with a rookie QB.

This hindsight 5 years in the past is pointless.

The real hindsight that should be done is passing on TJ Watt for Taco. Taking Conner Williams in the 2nd round. Trysten Hill with the 2nd round pick. Awuzie in the 2nd round.

It’s not hindsight, it’s common sense. Can you name me one RB in the last 20 years that was picked in the top 10 of the draft and won a SB? Especially in the last 10 years when the league has shifted, RB’s have become more expendable and can be found in much later rounds.

The Cowboys hypothetically could have traded back and picked up many more key pieces to winning a championship then one diva RB who’s main success was due to the O line in front of him.

CalPolyTechnique · Oct 18, 2020

Jake0 said:
The best RB for the Cowboys style of pound the other team and wear them down is Derrick Henry. Well that was the style a few years ago. Now the OLine is broken down and suddenly a weakness, plus also no longer on rookie contracts. They protected the defense which has always been bad. Now we get the current Cowboys which no longer has that style and doesn't protect the defense at all. Current Cowboys love scoring in 2-3 big plays and putting the defense right back on the field.

McCaffrey is more of a greatest show on turf type of back. He is like Marshall Faulk. So I guess the current Cowboys want McCaffrey.

The Cowboys continue to try and treat Zeke like he’s Marshall Faulk in his prime, splitting him out wide as a receiver and running him outside the tackles. Zeke is still a good back but he needs to living between the tackles. Use Pollard’s speed on the outside and in the passing game.

aria · Oct 18, 2020

CowboysWillRise said:
Henry is an absolute animal. Im not sure you can say anyone in the league is better right now. He isn't much a receiver, but dear lord he's a tough runner.

Honestly, he’s no McCaffrey when it comes to receiving (no other RB’s are) but I wonder if that’s more of a product of not getting the throws compared to not catching balls.

CalPolyTechnique · Oct 18, 2020

aria said:
Honestly, he’s no McCaffrey when it comes to receiving (no other RB’s are) but I wonder if that’s more of a product of not getting the throws compared to not catching balls.

He did have a 53-yard catch and run today.

MojaveJT · Oct 18, 2020

Ramsey would’ve cried his way off the he team like he did in JAX.

Henry is a beast and he signed a very friendly and modest contract extension.

aria · Oct 18, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
He did have a 53-yard catch and run today.

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. If he got as many equally thrown balls his way would he not be considered as good as a receiver as zeke? zeke has better receiving hards because he was thrown the ball more, just like zeke had more rushing yards his first two years because he carried the ball more but his ypc average was less. Barkley blew them both out of the water in 2017 because he was thrown the ball more but does that make him a better receiver?

All I know is I saw zeke drop 3 easy passes vs Seattle and every now and then he has a “good” catch but most are of the garden variety. Other than volume, he’s done nothing to distinguish himself as a better receiver than almost every other back in the league.

McCaffrey is in a league of his own and the only RB I supported giving a big contract to because you are literally getting a RB and WR with one dude.

DanA · Oct 18, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
Not true.
Henry did not get them to the SB, so therefore he failed. As that would be, and is your narrative on Zeke and Dallas in general. And he alone was not the reason they got as far as they did last season.
You just are a Zeke hater.

I cheer for Zeke every Sunday just like every Cowboy fan and if you look beyond this thread I’m generally positive about Zeke.I like the Buckeyes much more than Alabama too. But I’ll acknowledge mistakes made by the FO and get frustrated by them.

Henry didn’t get them to a Super Bowl bit I don’t think you can marginalize what Henry did against a tough Patriots defense and the Ravens the following week.

dsturgeon · Oct 18, 2020

DanA said:
I guarantee Dalton will not be playing under Center (for the most part).

And IMO the best RB in the league is McCaffrey and it’s not close.

Why the gaurentee?

aria · Oct 18, 2020

boxer-rumble said:
Ramsey would’ve cried his way off the he team like he did in JAX.

Henry is a beast and he signed a very friendly and modest contract extension.

zeke tried crying his way off the team but Jerry caved, JAX didn’t and at least they got something for him. Jerrah just blew a huge amount of cap space on the most expendable position on offense.

Zeke took his purses and flew to Cabo when he didn’t get what he wanted.

DanA · Oct 18, 2020

dsturgeon said:
Why the gaurentee?

Because Dalton sucks under Center and has already fumbled a snap. He just doesn’t have it in him. We won’t completely rewrite the playbook but we will put Dalton in a position to succeed and that means more shotgun.

CWR · Oct 18, 2020

aria said:
Honestly, he’s no McCaffrey when it comes to receiving (no other RB’s are) but I wonder if that’s more of a product of not getting the throws compared to not catching balls.

Know he's not, but CMC is no Henry when it comes to cold weather, rainy day, grind it out December/January football.

Henry may not he as well rounded, but what he does he does extremely well.

You ever look at his high-school game logs? Lol its hilarious, as are his highlights. He's twice everyones size and is running for 300 yards a game every week.

dsturgeon · Oct 18, 2020

DanA said:
Because Dalton sucks under Center and has already fumbled a snap. He just doesn’t have it in him. We won’t completely rewrite the playbook but we will put Dalton in a position to succeed and that means more shotgun.

he doesnt suck under center. He is good at play action, and zeke runs better, so i hope they use less shotgun

mldardy · Oct 18, 2020

aria said:
Used up? Why is that? I’ve seen Henry run back to the huddle after 40+ yard runs like he was taking a Sunday jog whereas zeke would tapping to come out. Henry also has a lot less mileage on him because his coaches didn’t use him nearly as much as Garrett used zeke, rightfully so.

There are very few teams willing to overpay for a RB but unfortunately we are one of the few.

Big backs like that usually don't last very long and we know RB's in general don't. And give me a break with Zeke tapping, which makes no sense. You are just making up bull**** at this point. Zeke plays hard all the time and he's been productive longer than Henry. Henry just finally broke out last year. Zeke has been productive since his rookie year. Also convenient you post this nonsense when he breaks out today, he was averaging 3.7 ypc before today's game. Didn't seen you posting about Henry before today. You ain't slick with nonsense. Get outta here.

Miller · Oct 18, 2020

Zordon said:
That second gear at the 45-yd line is something I have not seen from this oaf Zeke in 3 years.

That’s definitely what impressed me

CalPolyTechnique · Oct 18, 2020

mldardy said:
Big backs like that usually don't last very long and we know RB's in general don't. And give me a break with Zeke tapping, which makes no sense. You are just making up bull**** at this point. Zeke plays hard all the time and he's been productive longer than Henry. Henry just finally broke out last year. Zeke has been productive since his rookie year. Also convenient you post this nonsense when he breaks out today, he was averaging 3.7 ypc before today's game. Didn't seen you posting about Henry before today. You ain't slick with nonsense. Get outta here.

Henry just broke out last year?

Shutup, smh.

BermyStar · Oct 18, 2020

Aviano90 said:
True but we should all be able to use that hindsight and admit it was a mistake. Wouldn’t solve anything but no football discussion does.

You sir, are spot on. On that note.... Ramsey and Henry would be hell!!!

TheMarathonContinues · Oct 18, 2020

I like the revisionist history people have on this site. Nevermind the fact that drafting Zeke resulted in us winning 13 games that season lol.

buybuydandavis · Oct 18, 2020

stilltheguru said:
Ramsey isnt better than Zeke.

More valuable. Position matters.

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