A vision or philosophy is needed to build a winner

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I see that as more of a case when that's used against them.

There seems to be some posters that are not happy with the way some feel so they have to reprimand them for that, wearing their critic or homer label with pride and conviction.

Why rain on someone that is optimistic or positive or why get pissed at someone who has thrown in the towel? Some act like there is a right or wrong to that.

This forum would be a hell of a lot better if posters were more cognizant of their own purpose. I have always looked at the ones that are short on faith as asking for something and it's not getting blasted for the way that they feel, they're asking "tell me where I am wrong". Give me a reason to believe or just play me another Rod Stewart song.

The biggest failing and mistake posters make here is trying to spread the opinion someone here has about the Cowboys over their entire outlook on life. I see it happen too often, some snap judgment made about a poster based on their frame of mind about a football team. That's BS and totally unnecessary.
The same rhetoric and technique are used in mainstream. If you don’t agree or support their agenda or opinion then you’re an idiot and the enemy. Divide and conquer. Like a more positive blindfolded fan is a better fan.
 

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If you're committed to BPA or something like it, there's always going to be some randomness thrown into your team identity. Therefore I think there has to be some give-and-take between personnel and vision. Makes no sense to collect talent without a thought to identity, but by the same token you'll miss opportunities if you are dead set on a scheme and pass on opportunities for adding a different kind of talent that fall to you.
 

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The problem with the Cowboys vision is they usually don’t plan for worse case scenarios.

They go into the season wide eyed and bushy tail. Then they over hype and tout their talent and prospects to sell hope, interest , tickets and merchandise.

Then when it fails or disappoints scramble with damage control looking for scapegoats to satisfy the lynch mob looking for someone to hang for not meeting expectations.

But this team focus as Couch Coach laid out in parts is offensively focus to generate interest . Much like fantasy team. And defense is an afterthought.

These offenses look Super when up against equal or lesser teams and can remain relevant until they meet the more elite teams as well as the postseason.

Jethro still believes it was the Triplets that won those championships despite top defenses supporting.
Agree, Booger will not allow himself to consider "what happens if this doesn't work"?

All comes back to the same thing. Remove any blowback from decisions that anyone makes running a business. They can go on a feel or whim because there are no repercussions.

There is no CEO where Booger is. They all have to consider the "what ifs'" and prepare for the worst even while planning for the best. Take away the negative side of risk taking and they'd all be taking risks.

The strongest motivator for most decisions makers is missing from this situation and even the most optimistic will admit to having it. The fear of failure. Booger knows there is no price to pay for gut feel decisions or risks that don't work out and he will actually brag about that fact. He doesn't even have to consider "what if this doesn't work"? Which is why he such a crummy GM, almost as crummy as the owner that hired him and refuses to fire him.

And the greatest pitfall with being a fan of this team is to confuse "hope" with "expect".
 

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What kind of tape? Duct tape or...? LOL. Yeah having Mahomes would help, but Texas Tech had Mahomes and they never did anything with him. Winning championships requires more than a great QB or just talented players at a few positions.
Here is the list of SB winning QBs dating back to Aikman.:

Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 53: Tom Brady (Julian Edelman), 0TDs
Super Bowl 54:
Patrick Mahomes (MVP), 2 TDss

28 seasons, 24 of the 28 are either already in the HOF or will be in the HOF. thats 86%.

If that doesnt tell you all you need to know, I dont know what will. the 4 SB winners not in HOF had absolutely world beater defenses.

The 1 exception was the Eagles with Foles which was just a crazy fluke.

So sure, it takes more than a SB winning QB to win a SB....... 16% of the time.....lol
 

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Here is the list of SB winning QBs dating back to Aikman.:

Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 53: Tom Brady (Julian Edelman), 0TDs
Super Bowl 54: Patrick Mahomes (MVP), 2 TDss

28 seasons, 24 of the 28 are either already in the HOF or will be in the HOF. thats 86%.

If that doesnt tell you all you need to know, I dont know what will. the 4 SB winners not in HOF had absolutely world beater defenses.

The 1 exception was the Eagles with Foles which was just a crazy fluke.

So sure, it takes more than a SB winning QB to win a SB....... 16% of the time.....lol
I'm sure you would agree all those winning SB QBs had help.
 

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I'm sure you would agree all those winning SB QBs had help.
of course.... but the help they had, IMO is pretty much the same for the most part across the entire league, especially the top 12 teams in the league. But if you are just middle of pack and you have one of the top 4 QBs in the league, you pretty much have 86% chance of winning it all(between those 4 qbs)

Moral of the story? You better not have Baker Mayfield behind center.
 

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of course.... but the help they had, IMO is pretty much the same for the most part across the entire league, especially the top 12 teams in the league. But if you are just middle of pack and you have one of the top 4 QBs in the league, you pretty much have 86% chance of winning it all(between those 4 qbs)

Moral of the story? You better not have Baker Mayfield behind center.
LOL! Well I agree witcha about the Baker. Overrated is his middle name.
 

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LOL! Well I agree witcha about the Baker. Overrated is his middle name.
I don't get Progressive Insurance using him in all those TV ads. He came in as a controversial player with his antics on the sidelines and hasn't proven to be anything special as a player.
 

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I'm sure you would agree all those winning SB QBs had help.
Of course but the key is when they had some help they were closer to hoisting the Lombardi.

QB is definitely the most important position. The greater he is the easier to build a championship caliber team . Might not win it all the time but will remain a contender.

And why teams continue to reach in the draft often giving up multiple players and picks. Because without one you have to have so many other outstanding pieces.

It’s never been as critical as it is in Cap era cause everyone beyond the Rookie contract has to pay their QB with less cap space to surround them. The more they can elevate those around them , the easier it is.
 

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I don't get Progressive Insurance using him in all those TV ads. He came in as a controversial player with his antics on the sidelines and hasn't proven to be anything special as a player.
I like those commercials. And I think Baker has brought some stability to their QB position. And part of why the Browns are an improved team.

After how many bust for QB in 1st round, they appear to finally have a keeper.
 

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Very good post OP and I agree. The Dallas Cowboys lost vision and desire when Jimmy left the building - there was some left when Switzer was here and had Jimmy's players but it was already waning to a large degree.
 

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The late great Notre Dame football coach Knute Rockne once famously said, “I don’t play my 11 best players- I play my best 11.”

I want to ask a serious question- What is this team built to be? Or what is this team trying to become? Honestly, I’m not at all sure.

Answering that question 4 years ago was not that difficult. In 2016, this team was built around a top OL and running game, built to impose its will on opponents by controlling the clock and wearing people out. The defense had the traditional “bend but don’t break” philosophy, taking few chances, while keeping everything in front of them.

Now? I’m not sure when I watch the 2020 version of the Dallas Cowboys what it is built to be. It seems like a bunch of players without a vision.

One way this franchise could get back to its glory days (even if we’re stuck with the Jones FO) is to have a simple and clear vision of what it is trying to be. Then draft and sign players that align with it. In other words, build a team that knows how to play together.

But unfortunately, the Jones boys have a bad habit of running this team like a fantasy football owner. Just draft some talented guys, especially flashy ones that sell jerseys and tickets, and see what happens.
Here are some steps this FO that can do to help turn this thing around:
  • Make a commitment to a vision of what you want to be as a team. A team is built, it is not just thrown together. All the great Cowboys teams of the past were built with a blueprint in mind.
  • Stop loading cap space with position players that are traditionally easier to find similar talent at a cheaper price. Like don’t sign Amari Cooper for big bucks. Having him right now is not the key to getting better. I know that’s not a popular opinion around here, but we could be 2-3 right now without Amari Cooper’s $20 mil a year salary.
  • Stop using high draft picks on guys with health risks or off field problems. Stop drafting guys in the first two rounds who have injury problems or behavioral issues! Jaylon Smith and LVE are very talented players but both had injury risks when drafted. Randy Gregory. Nuff said. Trysten Hill may eventually work out, but what an unnecessary risk in round two. Even before his injury, he’s been meh at best. These kinds of risky draft moves are stupid and they kill your chance to get better.
  • Talk less. Yes, no front office talks as much as these clowns in Jones costumes. Radio talk shows (2 per week), TV shows (1 per week) and any other time a camera or notepad appears, these guys start jabbering. Just shut up and work. This is the laziest front office in football. Work hard. Keep your mouth shut. That should be in granite on the walls at the Star.
If we are ever going to return to glory as team, it starts with a vision for the kind of team we want to be. Top to bottom. Then build it and shut up while you’re doing it. You can crow all you want while hoisting a Lombardi. There’s nothing quite like a bunch of rich guys with lifetime contracts with all the time in the world to be on radio or TV.

In other words- To the Jones FO: Stop playing fantasy football and get to work.
Sorry but Jerry has his vision and it is the only one that matters everything else is window dressing. Offense is what Jerry believes wins titles and defense is a cheaply bought after thought. Jerry talks a good game but it doesn't matter as long the $$$$ roll in and Jerry has fun and to him that's all that matters. Unfortunately we have the shade of Al Davis in charge and it is just the way it is.
 

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i still think our identity moving forward(big picture) is Dak and WRx3.
don't think we need to forget the run game...balance is best.
but we need to let McCarthy establish our identity...and it looks to be #4 and WRx3.

i also think with McCarthy here...some long neglected areas on defense will get some much needed attention.

You can't win building through the WR position in the capped era. It doesn't happen. I thought Matt Millen's career as GM in Detroit was a cautionary tale. But nobody in Dallas seems to learn from the mistakes of others.
 

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The late great Notre Dame football coach Knute Rockne once famously said, “I don’t play my 11 best players- I play my best 11.”

I want to ask a serious question- What is this team built to be? Or what is this team trying to become? Honestly, I’m not at all sure.

Answering that question 4 years ago was not that difficult. In 2016, this team was built around a top OL and running game, built to impose its will on opponents by controlling the clock and wearing people out. The defense had the traditional “bend but don’t break” philosophy, taking few chances, while keeping everything in front of them.

Now? I’m not sure when I watch the 2020 version of the Dallas Cowboys what it is built to be. It seems like a bunch of players without a vision.

One way this franchise could get back to its glory days (even if we’re stuck with the Jones FO) is to have a simple and clear vision of what it is trying to be. Then draft and sign players that align with it. In other words, build a team that knows how to play together.

But unfortunately, the Jones boys have a bad habit of running this team like a fantasy football owner. Just draft some talented guys, especially flashy ones that sell jerseys and tickets, and see what happens.
Here are some steps this FO that can do to help turn this thing around:
  • Make a commitment to a vision of what you want to be as a team. A team is built, it is not just thrown together. All the great Cowboys teams of the past were built with a blueprint in mind.
  • Stop loading cap space with position players that are traditionally easier to find similar talent at a cheaper price. Like don’t sign Amari Cooper for big bucks. Having him right now is not the key to getting better. I know that’s not a popular opinion around here, but we could be 2-3 right now without Amari Cooper’s $20 mil a year salary.
  • Stop using high draft picks on guys with health risks or off field problems. Stop drafting guys in the first two rounds who have injury problems or behavioral issues! Jaylon Smith and LVE are very talented players but both had injury risks when drafted. Randy Gregory. Nuff said. Trysten Hill may eventually work out, but what an unnecessary risk in round two. Even before his injury, he’s been meh at best. These kinds of risky draft moves are stupid and they kill your chance to get better.
  • Talk less. Yes, no front office talks as much as these clowns in Jones costumes. Radio talk shows (2 per week), TV shows (1 per week) and any other time a camera or notepad appears, these guys start jabbering. Just shut up and work. This is the laziest front office in football. Work hard. Keep your mouth shut. That should be in granite on the walls at the Star.
If we are ever going to return to glory as team, it starts with a vision for the kind of team we want to be. Top to bottom. Then build it and shut up while you’re doing it. You can crow all you want while hoisting a Lombardi. There’s nothing quite like a bunch of rich guys with lifetime contracts with all the time in the world to be on radio or TV.

In other words- To the Jones FO: Stop playing fantasy football and get to work.

Thus the reason why Parcells did good here as a coach. He started with a philosophy. He cut Emmitt Smith and got rid of distractions around the Ranch. McCarthy needs to do the same. Or else, its back to camp cupcake.
 

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No player, no coach is going to matter as long as Jerry Jones is running the show. I would think the last 25 years would've proven that to anyone who was still holding out otherwise.

Jerry Jones' ego is the vision, it is the philosophy.
 
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