Does Dalton do anything better than Dak?

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Philmonroe said:
If you think that stat padding literally means what you said when people,say it I can't help you. I'm always curious when people get conveniently obtuse on words.

Like one of my favorite things you're doing a pretzel to let Dak off the hook on this one I see. This whole all qb's that lose stats shouldn't be counted is so bad faith it isn't even funny. You already showed you on some silly stuff with bold. That's what people mean with stat padding smh. Being down like Cle you're not winning those games often period so yes you're basically stat padding. Even football eon you win an Atl game but history tells you that's not even close to the norm so,that's why it is considered stat padding. It doesn't mean the QB just doing it for numbers even though they might. For me its game when you have little chance to win based on the norm not the outliers aka the Falcons game. If its a good game stats wise and you just lose that's not stat padding. I shouldn't have to tell you that and that's why it feels you're coming in bad faith with this post.
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Some literally refer to it as "Dak padding his stats", as if it is the QB making the choice, and as if the stats are built without a purpose other than to build individual stats. Clearly in every game this year except last night the stats helped give the team a chance late in the game.

As for winning and losing, whichever the outcome, every QB in the NFL gets credit for stats built trying to be competitive - why should Dak's stats be any different?

Of course the Atlanta game wasn't the norm, but the fact that the yardage and points even made that unlikely scenario possible proves the stats weren't meaningless or mere padding. How can a team win, unlikely or not, if it never puts itself in a position where it is possible?

Look at the Seahawks game. Despite having to come from behind, the Cowboys actually went ahead with 4:03 left in the game. Against Cleveland they pulled within 3 points with 3:47 left, again giving the defense a chance to help the team win by making a stop. How doing anything other than being competitive? Isn't that why they play the full 60 minutes instead of calling it at halftime?

It's never meaningless to give your team a chance, even if late in the game. It seems like you are advocating a team just give up when there are obstacles rather than fight through and give the team that chance.
 

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OmerV said:
Some literally refer to it as "Dak padding his stats", as if it is the QB making the choice, and as if the stats are built without a purpose other than to build individual stats. Clearly in every game this year except last night the stats helped give the team a chance late in the game.

As for winning and losing, whichever the outcome, every QB in the NFL gets credit for stats built trying to be competitive - why should Dak's stats be any different?

Of course the Atlanta game wasn't the norm, but the fact that the yardage and points even made that unlikely scenario possible proves the stats weren't meaningless or mere padding. How can a team win, unlikely or not, if it never puts itself in a position where it is possible?

Look at the Seahawks game. Despite having to come from behind, the Cowboys actually went ahead with 4:03 left in the game. Against Cleveland they pulled within 3 points with 3:47 left, again giving the defense a chance to help the team win by making a stop. How doing anything other than being competitive? Isn't that why they play the full 60 minutes instead of calling it at halftime?

It's never meaningless to give your team a chance, even if late in the game. It seems like you are advocating a team just give up when there are obstacles rather than fight through and give the team that chance.
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You're posting too many bad faith post man smh. If what you got is I'm advocating for a team to give up honestly when it comes to this football thing you're just not smart. That isn't close to what I'm advocating for or saying.
 

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WillieBeamen said:
and how many did he play with Ceedee Lamb, Michael Gallup, Amari Cooper, and Zeke?
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He’s played with good players like AJ Greene, Gio Bernard, Tyler Eifer, Sanu, etc. plus much better defenses than what Dallas has had recently.
 
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Philmonroe said:
You're posting too many bad faith post man smh. If what you got is I'm advocating for a team to give up honestly when it comes to this football thing you're just not smart. That isn't close to what I'm advocating for or saying.
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You are saying stats are meaningless and only padding if a team gets behind by a somewhat sizable margin, and that it doesn't even matter if those stats give the team a chance to win, or for that matter, even if the team does win, it's still just meaningless padding.

I'm sorry, but it's a bit mind boggling that you are treating stats that contribute to a win as mere padding. The victory over Atlanta did not happen because of the onside kick alone. Without the stats and scores leading up to the onside kick there would have never been an onside kick to begin with because the score wouldn't have been close enough for an onside kick to matter.

Stat padding occurs when it does nothing to help the team's chances of winning, and stats that lead to a win, or stats that allow a team to take a lead with 4 minutes left, or stats that allow a team to pull within 3 pts with almost 4 minutes left, clearly helps the team's chance of winning. If team were down by 24 and a score with 4 minutes left still left the team down by 17 points, that would be different, but if points and yardage go toward a chance to win, those stats are more than just mere padding.
 

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WillieBeamen said:
That cast is not better than what he has here in terms of skill position
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Ok but good enough to win games. Plus they didn’t have to score 30+points/game to get a win because they had a good defense. I bet Dalton prefers that team over the one he currently has.
 
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Sarge said:
His strengths are he is an “ok” back up, at best.
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This really feels like Brandon Weeden all over again. His best passes were of the dink and dunk variety. Most of the downfield shots were pretty inaccurate.
 
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khiladi said:
I don’t think it HAS to be tweaked. In actuality, Dalton can easily do what Dak has been doing, as seen on Sunday. Dak has confined the offense, not the other way around.

Andy Dalton actually provides more opportunity for MM to implement his own concepts, as well as it gives more flexibility with Andy to call plays out of the traditional drop-back for example.
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Double Bwaaaaaah!!!
 

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With a real offseason, Dak > Dalton + 30Mil > Dak.

30mil is 15% of the cap. That's a lot of football team.
 
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Ring6 said:
it has been mentioned that the offense will have to be tweaked to some degree now, like fewer if any RPO's, etc. With that, if certain plays are being pulled out, is there an opportunity to put more plays in that are Dalton's bread and butter? If so, what are they? What are his strenghts that can be played to? West Coast stuff?
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He gets sacked better than Dak
 

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Bro, this is the type of looks Dak has been seeing the past two years, allowing him to pad his stats. Deep looks, with man on the outside, are a dime a dozen in this offense.

And look at the impact of YOUR BOY CeeDee Lamb. All Andy did is give the quick look to force the safety in disguised cover-1 to go to him and Gallup had the complete isolation route was.

Any decent QB would be feasting with this talent. Romo was kicking his chops in the booth.

Also, I’ve been reading a lot of comments about how, if Andy can get the ball out quickly, we should be good, liked he’s some bus drivers. This dudes release is like half that of Dak’s and his decision making is already quicker, as evident per this last game. Dak is way more robotic. And he’s been in a West Coast offense, meaning that’s what he has been doing, plus he can launch it all over the field.

Even former Cowboys like Ware are basically straight up highlighting PASSING for Andy. They know Andy is a WAY BETTER PASSER.

I can’t wait for Monday night..
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LMAAAAOOOOOOO
 
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This thread topic did not age well. I just can't believe that anyone who actually watches football would think Dalton is somehow comparable to Dak. But this is a Dallas Cowboy forum so......
 
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