Should Cowboys have paid Zeke?

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Direwolf63 said:
I've tried to make this point with @Future, but I'm not getting through. That's ok.

You can't let the inmates run the asylum. In Pittsburgh, they let Leveon Bell and Antonio Brown walk rather than having their team turn into a crazy-player-driven mess. Jerry has done the opposite with Zeke and Lawrence.

You see the results of the different philosophies on the field today.
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They didn't let Le'Veon walk. He chose to walk away from a contract that would have been the largest for his position, ever. AB went crazy, that's entirely different.

They could not afford to let Zeke sit because it would have meant forfeiting the season, you can't send that message. DLaw got market value, you can't let him go, because he's your best defensive player. It's not like he signed early.

By your logic, they will never have any good players on a second contract.
 
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Future said:
If you draft a player #4 overall, you have to give them a second contract unless they are a bust, so yes, they had to pay him.

The problem is drafting a RB at #4 overall.
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Just another poor decision in a long line.
Build model does not allocate high draft choice for RB in todays game.
Giants are fools as well by taking Barkley so high,,, just another example of two rich owners trying to one up.
 
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At the time, what was the general consensus about Prescott/Elliott and the offense? Prescott had to have Elliott and the numbers bore that out and this was a run offense, Elliott was the fuel for the engine.

At the time they did this deal, I was opposed to not only paying Elliott than much money but any RB, good ones are too easy to find but also the team had a different makeup, they had the OL to use a run game.

If Yosemite hadn't had to hang it up, Big Smitty and Collins hadn't been injured and now Martin out on concussion protocol, would this not look different?

Everything has changed and an "if they'd only known then what they know now" isn't really fair.

However, everything we know about the Joneses says they make decisions in a vacuum with no timeline. Each decision is made independently and only when they feel they have to make it. They wanted Prescott to take the deal so they didn't have to plan ahead.

The most wasted word on this entire forum is the word "accountability". It doesn't exist with this team. But that's a two way street, the fans get exactly what they deserve. If they are willing to pay for this circus, can't complain when the ringmaster ignores them.
 
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Streetwise said:
I wonder what would happen if we waited until the end of the season to evaluate.
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Our hindsight will be off the charts. Some folks here seem to think it's their life's calling to state the obvious. This particular op thinks he's providing a service. But as the saying goes, "that's history, tell me something new".
 
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I wish I would log in once and not see 9 threads about Zeke. Has he fumbled a lot this season, yep. Has it been an issue before, nope.

While he has made mistakes, the current position of this team is not his fault. Every opponent is stacking the box and saying let the QB play beast us. And it worked, even with Dak at the helm.

This team is a **** show and not one player is going to take them over the top. Fact is they probably need a dozen players.
 
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Our hindsight will be off the charts. Some folks here seem to think it's their life's calling to state the obvious. This particular op thinks he's providing a service. But as the saying goes, "that's history, tell me something new".
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He's getting the blame for the 2 fumbles. Which I get he deserves some it, but they weren't recovered for TDs, the defense still had to suck more and allow it. And, what about the other turnovers?
This team is so bad, I'm not sure why anyone would put all of their focus on trying to prove they're right after the fact. It's miserable.
But watch how some will ignore all I've said except for not putting the absolute blame on one player.
 
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The timing was poor for the Cowboys, he had 2 years left and we caved a year after an off the field issue. I wanted them to play hard ball and let his contract play out. Zeke you've been a valuable player to us and see a long term future with you, but limit off field distractions and we'll negotiate with you after the 2020 season when your contract is up. Zeke had zero leverage. If negotiating after this year maybe his contract value is less, or we decide the contract he wants isn't worth it and let him test the market.

What's done is done though, he needs to play better, but I'm not rushing to judgment in what has been a strange year where barely anything has gone right for the Cowboys. The only conclusion I will make on Zeke is he's not the home run threat you want him to be, nor has he been since year 2. We have to accept that he's a power runner between the tackles that will mostly live in the 1 to 30 yard gain space. He can still be a productive back, but sans the 1st quarter this year the running game has pretty much been taken out of the equation. In the first quarter we've managed to open very little space.
 
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At the time, what was the general consensus about Prescott/Elliott and the offense? Prescott had to have Elliott and the numbers bore that out and this was a run offense, Elliott was the fuel for the engine.

At the time they did this deal, I was opposed to not only paying Elliott than much money but any RB, good ones are too easy to find but also the team had a different makeup, they had the OL to use a run game.

If Yosemite hadn't had to hang it up, Big Smitty and Collins hadn't been injured and now Martin out on concussion protocol, would this not look different?

Everything has changed and an "if they'd only known then what they know now" isn't really fair.

However, everything we know about the Joneses says they make decisions in a vacuum with no timeline. Each decision is made independently and only when they feel they have to make it. They wanted Prescott to take the deal so they didn't have to plan ahead.

The most wasted word on this entire forum is the word "accountability". It doesn't exist with this team. But that's a two way street, the fans get exactly what they deserve. If they are willing to pay for this circus, can't complain when the ringmaster ignores them.
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Well, it may be a wasted effort falling on deaf ears but we can still complain, call it out and attempt to at least publicly hold them accountable. It keeps the idiotic ownership juggling with damage control babbling out responses. Lol
 
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It’s a reminder of how little attention Cowboys management was paying to the NFL landscape in the summer of 2019 when they honored Elliott’s holdout and made him the highest-paid back in the league.

The last thing any NFL team ever wants is the highest-paid back on its payroll, which is why Zeke has no trade value whatsoever. Nobody is looking to add a huge salary cap hit at the running back position for 2021 with a declining player who now can’t stop fumbling along with not being able to break runs of any consequence.

Yet here the Cowboys are because the Joneses got scared and were afraid of what might happen if they opened the 2019 season without Zeke.

The Cowboys are a franchise out of step, and now it’s running out of having anything on offense beyond some top-notch receivers and a running back whose history and contract far exceed his present value.

As time passed and Prescott developed and the Cowboys added Amari Cooper and then CeeDee Lamb, this became Dak’s offense. Elliott’s importance diminished on an almost weekly basis. He became a luxury item , a $90 million player with zero trade value.
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definitely not , and many on this board were complaining jerry is being stingy not paying Zeke. Zeke is an entitled overrated bust now. He had talent , but the attitude since his college years was always very alarming. This guy almost walked out on his team because he was not getting enough carries. he even complained against ohio state on national TV . Jerry seems to love the drama and these type of players.
 
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Streetwise said:
I wonder what would happen if we waited until the end of the season to evaluate.
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It’d be a pretty quite place on social media and forums like this.

Imagine no newspapers, magazines , radio, tv, or Internet discussing football on a daily , weekly or monthly basis waiting for the final results each year to evaluate and offer any analysis or opinions.
 
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basel90 said:
definitely not , and many on this board were complaining jerry is being stingy not paying Zeke. Zeke is an entitled overrated bust now. He had talent , but the attitude since his college years was always very alarming. This guy almost walked out on his team because he was not getting enough carries. he even complained against ohio state on national TV . Jerry seems to love the drama and these type of players.
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We all know why he signed Zeke when he did. And it’s certainly worthy of calling out. It was then and even more so now. Like so many other issues surrounding this franchise. Pick one.. lol
 
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cern said:
Our hindsight will be off the charts. Some folks here seem to think it's their life's calling to state the obvious. This particular op thinks he's providing a service. But as the saying goes, "that's history, tell me something new".
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If this subject isn’t of interest why bother except to attempt to discredit the messenger which means the message must carry some weight. Thanks

I picked up this story from one of our beat writers and felt it was worthy to share. I don’t expect everyone to agree. It certainly seemed worthy of discussion after Monday nights game.

What would you like to discuss? I’d be curious of your thoughts on a thread of an issue concerning the Cowboys. Surely there’s some Silver Lining threads to post . Like how Stephen has turned this franchise around. Lol
 
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Diehardblues said:
It’s a reminder of how little attention Cowboys management was paying to the NFL landscape in the summer of 2019 when they honored Elliott’s holdout and made him the highest-paid back in the league.

The last thing any NFL team ever wants is the highest-paid back on its payroll, which is why Zeke has no trade value whatsoever. Nobody is looking to add a huge salary cap hit at the running back position for 2021 with a declining player who now can’t stop fumbling along with not being able to break runs of any consequence.

Yet here the Cowboys are because the Joneses got scared and were afraid of what might happen if they opened the 2019 season without Zeke.

The Cowboys are a franchise out of step, and now it’s running out of having anything on offense beyond some top-notch receivers and a running back whose history and contract far exceed his present value.

As time passed and Prescott developed and the Cowboys added Amari Cooper and then CeeDee Lamb, this became Dak’s offense. Elliott’s importance diminished on an almost weekly basis. He became a luxury item , a $90 million player with zero trade value.
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Bruhhhh it’s over He’s Paid already. Let it go it’s done
 
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No, but then again we have the benefit of hindsight
 
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Zeke should’ve never been drafted... I said it back then and got torched. You don’t draft a RB in the 1st. It was never about how he could produce it was about the drop off after 4-5 years. The Cowboys should be running a two back system with cheaper backs same production for 2/3rds the price.
 
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Diehardblues said:
We all know why he signed Zeke when he did. And it’s certainly worthy of calling out. It was then and even more so now. Like so many other issues surrounding this franchise. Pick one.. lol
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indeed. the same issues , PC culture, marketing , and nonsense . Zeke has talent but has issues between the ears , attitude and entitlement mainly,
 
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Diehardblues said:
If this subject isn’t of interest why bother except to attempt to discredit the messenger which means the message must carry some weight. Thanks

I picked up this story from one of our beat writers and felt it was worthy to share. I don’t expect everyone to agree. It certainly seemed worthy of discussion after Monday nights game.

What would you like to discuss? I’d be curious of your thoughts on a thread of an issue concerning the Cowboys. Surely there’s some Silver Lining threads to post . Like how Stephen has turned this franchise around. Lol
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It appears the captain obvious awards are as prevalent as participation trophies. Soap box derby's used to be car races for kids. Not mindless babbling in an attempt to garner attention. Following mnf's pathetic performance, it seems sufficient to just say this defense has no heart.
 
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