Tank the season to go after Trevor Lawrence at QB? Thread merged

HungryLion · Oct 26, 2020

phildadon86 said:
And even if they did. Trade back down and get a DEFENSIVE stud. We have a QB. Unfortunately this poster looks absolutely ridiculous now that his whole "Dalton is just as good as Dak" take has been blown to bits hes now saying we need to draft Trevor. If you're QB judgement is to be the benchmark and your Dalton take was legitimate. I dont want this team making ANY decisions based on your ideas. In fact I would like them to do the complete opposite because you sir have NO IDEA what you are talking about when it comes to football or the QB position.

I’m told he knows more than most NFL GM’s about the QB position. I’m also told good QB play is easy to find in the NFL.

phildadon86 · Oct 26, 2020

AKATheRake said:
You so sure of that?

I know they had Adams last year, but they did beat on us while Dak was playing behind the majority of our o-line starting.

I gotta disagree here. Dak was missing Collins and Smith. Fredbeard was not the same. And he was missing 2 of his starting WR on top of that.

baltcowboy · Oct 26, 2020

This is Dak’s team. They would have to trade the whole team if they drafted a quarterback. The Joneses don’t want that.

CATCH17 · Oct 26, 2020

AmariChill said:
How about we stop drafting on offense for once? That’s why our defense is as putrid as it is. Start spending first round picks on defense. Then we’ll start winning games. We need at least a average defense to win.

We can sign Dak for 40 million a year and draft a defensive player. But it will get us nowhere.

We can maybe build a good solid team over time but this is the equivalent of the Chiefs passing on Mahomes because they needed defense.

Lawrence has potential to be an electric franchise changing player.

Continuing with Dak and paying him 40 million I think locks us into being a mediocre team for 3 seasons at least.

Kingofholland · Oct 26, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Forget trying to win Sunday Night. Forget trying to win the division this season. Our Superbowl at this point is Trevor Lawrence..

Unfortunately... We may have watermelon kicked away our chance at an elite quarterback. 2 wins might be too many.

We have a couple of problems.

1. The team pushing these players to try and win these games.

2. The Jets are showing no signs of winning a game.

I'm struggling to find 1 win on this schedule.

Nov. 1 at Kansas City Chiefs
Nov. 9 New England Patriots
BYE
Nov. 22 at Los Angeles Chargers
Nov. 29 Miami Dolphins
Dec. 6 Las Vegas Raiders
Dec. 13 at Seattle Seahawks
Dec. 20 at Los Angeles Rams
Dec. 27 Cleveland Browns
Jan. 3 at New England Patriots

Hopefully the Jets will bring back Darnold and do their best to let him prove his value and the team pulls together and wins 3 games somehow.

Dallas needs to start Ben Dennucci.. Garret Gilbert.. Whoever.. Keep this Oline that might be the worst in history in place and let the defense do the rest.

We also need Justin Fields to have a really good season.. Like hopefully much better than Lawrence type of season. Lawrence struggling wouldn't be the worst thing too to help build the hype for Fields.

Then hopefully on draft day we can do whatever it takes to possibly move up a spot or 2 and get Lawrence. I'm sure Lawrence's agent would put a ton of pressure on the Jets to not select him as well if Dallas and Jerry Jones come calling.

This draft can send us 1 of 2 ways.. We either stay on the path of mediocrity and draft some "stud" defensive guy that has little impact on the outcomes of games or we turn this thing around and bring an electric player inside this building that is so desperately needed.

Right now this franchise needs hope and there is no hope on the way. With Lawrence in the house everything changes.

Potential elite QB for 5 years on a rookie deal is the way forward. Signing Dak and overcoming all of the other obstacles required for him to win a Championship just seems like wishful thinking.

The Jets may steal 1 victory somewhere along the way, but more than likely they're on the road to lawrence. Cowboys are probably looking at a top 5 pick at this point but have no interest in trading away a lot of draft capital to move up a couple of spots.

phildadon86 · Oct 26, 2020

CATCH17 said:
We can sign Dak for 40 million a year and draft a defensive player. But it will get us nowhere.

We can maybe build a good solid team over time but this is the equivalent of the Chiefs passing on Mahomes because they needed defense.

Lawrence has potential to be an electric franchise changing player.

Continuing with Dak and paying him 40 million I think locks us into being a mediocre team for 3 seasons at least.

Dalton is just as good as Dak. You said that. Forgive me if your QB analysis is up for debate. So you want us to slowly rebuild over time? Good call. Then when we are ready to compete we have to pay Trevor 50 million a year and lose everything we just built. Do you hear yourself when you speak or do you just post for the heck of it because you sound like you don't think things thru really.

SackMaster · Oct 26, 2020

Don't worry guys, the KEY to winning in the NFL is ..... to have as much Cap Space as possible.

That way, you don't need to worry about drafting your own studs, you can sign everyone else's rejects.

It works GREAT in Madden.
:yourock:

MysteryIceGuro · Oct 26, 2020

CATCH17 said:
We can sign Dak for 40 million a year and draft a defensive player. But it will get us nowhere.

We can maybe build a good solid team over time but this is the equivalent of the Chiefs passing on Mahomes because they needed defense.

Lawrence has potential to be an electric franchise changing player.

Continuing with Dak and paying him 40 million I think locks us into being a mediocre team for 3 seasons at least.

it won’t matter anyways because we have Jerry Jones as owner so sign Dak for 40 mil or don’t, draft Trevor Lawrence or don’t, end of the day, Jerry’s going to hire some blowhard as HC or he’s going to sign some weak, past prime player, etc to mess up this team somehow.

CATCH17 · Oct 26, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
I’m told he knows more than most NFL GM’s about the QB position. I’m also told good QB play is easy to find in the NFL.

I also know how difficult it is for truly ELITE QB's to win a Superbowl after getting paid.. Much less a guy like Dak.

I would sign Stafford over Dak just so we could potentially get a shorter deal that is easier to get out of. I don't think we lose anything in quality with Stafford either and once Dak loses the little athleticism he has then whats the point?

big dog cowboy · Oct 26, 2020

CATCH17 said:
The road to Trevor Lawrence starts today

Clearly we have been on that road for a while. It didn't just start today.

CATCH17 · Oct 26, 2020

SackMaster said:
Don't worry guys, the KEY to winning in the NFL is ..... to have as much Cap Space as possible.

That way, you don't need to worry about drafting your own studs, you can sign everyone else's rejects.

It works GREAT in Madden.

Actually what works is QB's playing at a high level on a rookie deal. That's what works in real life.

Elite veterans taking paycuts as well..

Elite QB's all the way down to guys like Kirk Cousins and Dak don't win much when they are overpaid.. Including our very own Tony Romo.. The lesson nobody paid attention to the 1st time we had this issue.

pacy · Oct 26, 2020

Guys you already know that we will franchise Dak another season. And we will use the top pick on a player to protect him.
Like it or not.

CATCH17 · Oct 26, 2020

AmariChill said:
it won’t matter anyways because we have Jerry Jones as owner so sign Dak for 40 mil or don’t, draft Trevor Lawrence or don’t, end of the day, Jerry’s going to hire some blowhard as HC or he’s going to sign some weak, past prime player, etc to mess up this team somehow.

Jerry will either give McCarthy another year and try to hire Zimmer as DC. If Zimmer won't sign as DC he might fire McCarthy and hire Zimmer as HC.

Aven8 · Oct 26, 2020

As bad as it’s been we own the tie breaker on Atlanta. And believe it or not, We’re not the worse TX team. Houston is awful too. No way we get the #1 pick even though I don’t see us winning another game.

CATCH17 · Oct 26, 2020

phildadon86 said:
And even if they did. Trade back down and get a DEFENSIVE stud. We have a QB. Unfortunately this poster looks absolutely ridiculous now that his whole "Dalton is just as good as Dak" take has been blown to bits hes now saying we need to draft Trevor. If you're QB judgement is to be the benchmark and your Dalton take was legitimate. I dont want this team making ANY decisions based on your ideas. In fact I would like them to do the complete opposite because you sir have NO IDEA what you are talking about when it comes to football or the QB position.

This poster has said Dalton can get Dak like results because Dalton has done that throughout his career.

Jimmy Johnson echoed the same thing.

Dalton is not a good enough player to perform on a team that can't block, can't play defense, and also has just QUIT. He's the only guy on this team fighting right now.

CATCH17 · Oct 26, 2020

Aven8 said:
As bad as it’s been we own the tie breaker on Atlanta. And believe it or not, We’re not the worse TX team. Houston is awful too. No way we get the #1 pick even though I don’t see us winning another game.

Houston has locked down Watson.. Their team is garbage now too.

These teams have prioritized paying the QB over winning.. The Texans are the latest victim.

MysteryIceGuro · Oct 26, 2020

Aven8 said:
As bad as it’s been we own the tie breaker on Atlanta. And believe it or not, We’re not the worse TX team. Houston is awful too. No way we get the #1 pick even though I don’t see us winning another game.

Houston is not awful. They’re schedule opens up a lot after this. They’ve played pretty much every super bowl contender this season. Don’t forget they play the Jags twice too. They will get some wins under their belt. We might not get #1 but we’ll def be top 3. I see Vikes, Falcons and Bengals winning more games.

only teams that could possibly beat us out for top picks are the Jags and Jets.

SackMaster · Oct 26, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Actually what works is QB's playing at a high level on a rookie deal. That's what works in real life.

Elite veterans taking paycuts as well..

Elite QB's all the way down to guys like Kirk Cousins and Dak don't win much when they are overpaid.. Including our very own Tony Romo.. The lesson nobody paid attention to the 1st time we had this issue.

Yep, sure does work for EVERY team. It's so easy to dial 1-800-Quarterback to find a new one. Hell, I hear Amazon Prime will deliver one the NEXT day.

If you think that "overpaying" Romo is the reason the Cowboys did not win a Super Bowl ..... well .... I guess I will throw that in with the other "great" hot takes like "There will be no drop off between Dalton and Dak". Ya. You NAILED that one.
:facepalm:

But I say screw it. I HOPE you get what YOU want. Just so I can sit back and start reading your posts about the next QB Dallas should draft after Lawrence is not "elite enough" to win.

The JOY!!!!
:laugh:

atlantacowboy · Oct 26, 2020

baltcowboy said:
This is Dak’s team. They would have to trade the whole team if they drafted a quarterback. The Joneses don’t want that.

Lawrence is a generational talent. It would be like the Colts passing on Peyton Manning b/c they liked the incumbent Jim Harbaugh. Obviously drafting a new QB means a rebuild.

thunderpimp91 · Oct 26, 2020

I'm all for getting creative with this roster, and even going full blow up/rebuild without dak.

I just don't see jerry approving that though.

Really the argument comes down to do you want a rookie qb + cap space for likely two top free agents, or Dak + a blue-chip rookie defender? What gives you the best chance of a division title in 2022?

I honestly don't hate the argument for either, especially given recent history with rookie qbs.

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