Dear Cowboys fans: Talent alone will never overcome dysfunction

Bobhaze said:

Sounds like a backwards argument. Who drafts the talent and hires the coaches? Jerry, right? So if he sucks at drafting and hiring the right coach, how can that be overcome? The dysfunction is the root, not a by product.

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Define dysfunction then.

Missing on draft picks isn't a signal of dysfunction, necessarily.

rnr_honeybadger said:

Goes back to him not valuing the HC as anything positive. He sees it as a position that he needs to have someone. I'm surprised he hasn't hired one of his idiot sons as his HC.

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Man, I hope Booger doesn't read this.

bigE79 said:

Brother,I'm 56 and never could have imagined the Cowboys in this state...26 yrs of crap and counting, players change, coaching change..but the head man remains..all hope is gone until that narrative changes..that's the reality.

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Of course. I’m just surprised it’s taken so long for many fans to realize.

I wouldn’t say all hope is gone. But the Bar has been lowered. And has been for a generation now.

And why I supported our last Puppet as HC. That’s prob about as good as it gets.

blueblood70 said:

we don't have player or two out , thats the difference if you cant see next man up doesnt apply here..the OL is gone the backups to backup are playing and not only do we lose dak now Dalton and many defenders were gone before game 2..its not fair to assess this new staff or this year and ignore those facts..
this year is all we should be focused on as its new staff who didnt get fair shot at changing that narrative..

BTW i do believe while some turned to losses Dak and the offense did overcome losing both starting tackles by scoring a chat tom of points, but then 2 more go down and then dak goes down and then knight goes down..it just cant be overcome and then Dalton goes down..

this season was lost due to injurys and well time to look toward 2021..in 3 season for Mm you want to revisit this old dated narrative , then we can discuss it ..its not fair to MM and this staff to have shortened off season and battle of attrition set in to say see its the same thing..its not i cant remember the last time weve had that many key injurers in such a short period..it feels like the Campo era but we are playing with our 3rd strings offense now..

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My reference was not only for this year but in years past..look what happened to the offense when tyron was out in 18 or when lee was out, total collapse on each side of the ball...that should never happen...now this year we lost 4 out of 5 ol men,but the same could be said of the eagles when they won the sb and with a backup qb on top of all that,or when the packers beat us with 5 guards starting and rodgers on 1 leg..how do these teams stay competitive is my question.

Bobhaze said:

My friends- my fellow suffering Cowboys fans- Here’s some truth we all need to accept right now: All the talent in the pro football world is not enough to overcome this dysfunctional, putrid, non-accountable culture.

Let us count the ways:

• For those of you hoping for the #1 pick next year, aka the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes. Sorry, but that won’t fix fix this mess.
• We could acquire Pat Mahomes tonight, and it wouldn’t fix this mess.
• We could add All Pro talent at every position, on both sides of the ball, and it won’t fix this mess.
• We could draft the best pass rusher and run stuffer in the draft next year. It’s not enough to fix this.
• We could trade the entire defending champion KC chiefs roster for this roster of quitters, and it wouldn’t make us much better.

Accept it- this mess, this stink is a 25 year rotten egg that is the responsibility and result of the 78 year old fool that still believes if you buy an NFL team, you are qualified to run that team’s football operations. Well, the truth is, our owner can’t. And his stubborn arrogance is the real culprit here.

Here is the cancer that eats this organization:

• No accountability. If the guy playing GM never, ever has to pay a price for his mistakes, then there is truly no accountability anywhere else. That’s organizational health 101. If you don’t hold the people at the top accountable, you can’t anywhere else.
• Because the front office is “soft”, so is its team.
  
• What this team needs is a HC that has an “asthma field” again.
  
• Truth bomb- there is no recovery with a guy named Jones leading football operations. Period. It’s over. They have crapped the bed for too long.
• Hate to say it, but if there is no humilty shown by Jerry to take any responsibility to change his ways, all the talent in the world won’t matter.

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This is a great post, but then again, that's all you produce.

What's hysterical is theres probably a ton of people that have you on ignore because they dont want to hear the truth.

Diehardblues said:

Of course. I’m just surprised it’s taken so long for many fans to realize.

I wouldn’t say all hope is gone. But the Bar has been lowered. And has been for a generation now.

And why I supported our last Puppet as HC. That’s prob about as good as it gets.

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Hey,I wanted garrett to succeed so much,seeing he was one of our own, unfortunately that never materialized.

EJK24 said:

Good post. I agree with the things your saying, however, if anyone is going to remain a fan of this team, we have to accept the fact the Jerry owns this team and will never change the way he is.

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I became a fan when I was a kid. I idolized Staubach. I didn't pledge my undying love to the organization, regardless of whether an egotistical old fool ran it into the ground. I can no longer lie to myself for the sake of hope. I watch games and come here out of habit. I no longer get emotional watching them.

Jerry's a joke of a GM and his son is just as dopey. They sit around pontificating about football as though they actually know what they're talking about. They didn't earn those fancy titles - Jerry purchased them. No one in their right mind would hire either of them.

As long as that's your leadership you have no chance. No one gets that lucky. We have 25 years of history to back that up.

I said

bigE79 said:

My reference was not only for this year but in years past..look what happened to the offense when tyron was out in 18 or when lee was out, total collapse on each side of the ball...that should never happen...now this year we lost 4 out of 5 ol men,but the same could be said of the eagles when they won the sb and with a backup qb on top of all that,or when the packers beat us with 5 guards starting and rodgers on 1 leg..how do these teams stay competitive is my question.

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thats unfair to hang on MM and this staff and this year was far anyway different , that offense responded after LC and Tyron went down and even after Biadasz took over it went south when Dak went down, not only did Martin go out then knight went out Dalton comes into play with our worst OL we put out there since the campo years and now Dalton gets knocked out ..

no one can overcome that stuff and it has ZERO to do with last year or 2018..get real its complete new staff that fans asked for and now keep bringing up gareatt years,..they have to have shot to change that narrative before you can say tis the same.. this is nowhere near the same as losing 3 starters ..

get it in your heads

its not the same, its not the same its not the same...the injuries' are four times those other instances and when its the OL and key defenders and your starting qb, not even Bellicheck could overcome this

look im pissed, upset, disappointed, let down angry all that but i get whats happened and can be realistic..

bigE79 said:

Don't really need all pro talent,just players who really care about winning.

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That wasn't the point. At all.

Bobhaze said:

My friends- my fellow suffering Cowboys fans- Here’s some truth we all need to accept right now: All the talent in the pro football world is not enough to overcome this dysfunctional, putrid, non-accountable culture.

Let us count the ways:

• For those of you hoping for the #1 pick next year, aka the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes. Sorry, but that won’t fix fix this mess.
• We could acquire Pat Mahomes tonight, and it wouldn’t fix this mess.
• We could add All Pro talent at every position, on both sides of the ball, and it won’t fix this mess.
• We could draft the best pass rusher and run stuffer in the draft next year. It’s not enough to fix this.
• We could trade the entire defending champion KC chiefs roster for this roster of quitters, and it wouldn’t make us much better.

Accept it- this mess, this stink is a 25 year rotten egg that is the responsibility and result of the 78 year old fool that still believes if you buy an NFL team, you are qualified to run that team’s football operations. Well, the truth is, our owner can’t. And his stubborn arrogance is the real culprit here.

Here is the cancer that eats this organization:

• No accountability. If the guy playing GM never, ever has to pay a price for his mistakes, then there is truly no accountability anywhere else. That’s organizational health 101. If you don’t hold the people at the top accountable, you can’t anywhere else.
• Because the front office is “soft”, so is its team.
  
• What this team needs is a HC that has an “asthma field” again.
  
• Truth bomb- there is no recovery with a guy named Jones leading football operations. Period. It’s over. They have crapped the bed for too long.
• Hate to say it, but if there is no humilty shown by Jerry to take any responsibility to change his ways, all the talent in the world won’t matter.

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its amazing... I guess the titans all of the sudden flicked the switch on all of those things you listed..... all of the sudden they are held accountable?
It is hilarious to me how many of you still think the coach makes the team. Hey, how did the cards all of the sudden become legit? Did that coach learn to coach all of the sudden? Studied a little extra game film? Got a little more strict? Nope, they didnt do a DAMN thing differently from a coaching stand point..... they got a damn qb that simply makes his team on the right side of the bell shaped curve. You think the Chargers coaches all of the sudden got their coaching degree from Tuna University? Or that Rookie qb is seriously legit and puts the team on the right side of that bell shaped curve.

Even as much as our defense sucked and offense turned ball over, with Dak playing we could have played with about anyone, as was shown in the seattle game.
The steelers.... did they make the playoffs last year? IM thinking they are SB contenders at the moment. Did the steelers bring in a bunch of stud Asst coaches to bring in discipline and stability? Nah, they just got their HOF QB back in the mix.

How good do you think Claypool would be balling out with the Jets and Sam Darnold?
GM Mistakes normally revolve around the QB. Hey, Devante Parker could have pretty much been viewed as a GM mistake. Then Fitzmagic comes in and all of the sudden that mistake looks like a good pick. How is the great coaching in Seattle doing with that defense? Not so good, but Russel Wilson is balling out and they were 5-0, so those defensive woes arent talked about so much, are they?

Jake said:

I became a fan when I was a kid. I idolized Staubach. I didn't pledge my undying love to the organization, regardless of whether an egotistical old fool ran it into the ground. I can no longer lie to myself for the sake of hope. I watch games and come here out of habit. I no longer get emotional watching them.

Jerry's a joke of a GM and his son is just as dopey. They sit around pontificating about football as though they actually know what they're talking about. They didn't earn those fancy titles - Jerry purchased them. No one in their right mind would hire either of them.

As long as that's your leadership you have no chance. No one gets that lucky. We have 25 years of history to back that up.

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I wouldn't argue that. Hoping to get lucky isn't a plan as a gm, owner, coach or anyone else in the organization but as a fan, we are totally helpless in terms of having a say into what's going on. Until Jerry is gone, and then we still have to question what Stephen would do, we are watching out of habit. Not much else you can do.

Bobhaze said:

For those saying “That will never happen- Jerry will never step aside”- it already has happened at the beginning of the Jones era. That’s actually how things started with Jerry. He hired a great HC and was not calling all the shots like he’s been doing since. It’s the only hope.

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My point is more or less we are just watching out of habit, hoping for the best along the way. I dont expect it to turnaround but as a fan you just hope for the best.

Bobhaze said:

My friends- my fellow suffering Cowboys fans- Here’s some truth we all need to accept right now: All the talent in the pro football world is not enough to overcome this dysfunctional, putrid, non-accountable culture.

Let us count the ways:

• For those of you hoping for the #1 pick next year, aka the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes. Sorry, but that won’t fix fix this mess.
• We could acquire Pat Mahomes tonight, and it wouldn’t fix this mess.
• We could add All Pro talent at every position, on both sides of the ball, and it won’t fix this mess.
• We could draft the best pass rusher and run stuffer in the draft next year. It’s not enough to fix this.
• We could trade the entire defending champion KC chiefs roster for this roster of quitters, and it wouldn’t make us much better.

Accept it- this mess, this stink is a 25 year rotten egg that is the responsibility and result of the 78 year old fool that still believes if you buy an NFL team, you are qualified to run that team’s football operations. Well, the truth is, our owner can’t. And his stubborn arrogance is the real culprit here.

Here is the cancer that eats this organization:

• No accountability. If the guy playing GM never, ever has to pay a price for his mistakes, then there is truly no accountability anywhere else. That’s organizational health 101. If you don’t hold the people at the top accountable, you can’t anywhere else.
• Because the front office is “soft”, so is its team.
  
• What this team needs is a HC that has an “asthma field” again.
  
• Truth bomb- there is no recovery with a guy named Jones leading football operations. Period. It’s over. They have crapped the bed for too long.
• Hate to say it, but if there is no humilty shown by Jerry to take any responsibility to change his ways, all the talent in the world won’t matter.

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Excellent post. This is not a dig, but haven't we known this for a long time? Of course we all do, but as fans we can't help ourselves. Every year we buy into some of the hype about who had a great training camp or who looks vastly improved over last year. We love our draft picks too. But nothing changes. That breakout player looks as mediocre as he did last year. The draft picks look great in camp then disappoint. Free agency comes and goes and Jerry signs a few jags thinking he was smart until we find out they can't play anymore. Its kind of like Ground Hog day. Because the one constant throughout all the new players and coaches is Jerry Jones.

In 2016, we had what looked like a stellar draft. The team when 13-3 behind a rookie QB who replaced the oft injured Tony Romo. Since that season, the Cowboys have gotten worse every year. In 2016, they probably really were a player or 2 away from a Super Bowl. Now, they are probably a dozen players away from a SuperBowl and in need of character.

Swanny said:

I would not say the Cowboys have had much dysfunction on the field until this season. Sucking and dysfunction are different. This season is dysfunctional everywhere. Talent can overcome Dysfunction. Just the Cowboys haven't had that talent since the salary cap came about. But the point of the post is that Talent cannot overcome Dysfunction. And Barry Switzers super bowl win proves that talent can overcome Dysfunction. And yes Barrys team was dysfunctional on the field unless of course playing high as a kite isn't dysfunctional.

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The point of the post was looking over a long period of time. Sure we can rise up in a fluke season and contend. This team has had plenty of talent over the years. I think we fielded 11 pro bowl players in 2007 and almost as many in 2014. But we can't sustain anything b/c of the idiot in the owners box playing GM.

So why stick around and support this team Bob? We have both been fans for 5 decades. When I chose the Cowboys as my team back in 1971 (Mostly because I was born in Texas though no longer lived there), I didn't know they would become the most popular team in the NFL. Honestly I wish they hadn't. We wouldn't be where we are now, having the most valuable sports team in the world and a crap organization that produces some decent accomplishments every few years but never gets to the championship. We are buying into a false hope. We all want to say "Say it aint so!" we are the Cowboys we are better then this. No we aren't! We have been fed BS and we have believed it year after year. It's humilating how we have been fooled. No Sir, I won't buy this crap anymore. I am no longer a Cowboy fan. It's like breaking up with a GF who has made you suffer so much that you can't take it any longer. I am just hanging around watching this circus self destruct and rooting for the Cowboys opponents and just laughing at their ineptitude. If anything I am now enjoying watching my former team get their butts handed to them. Every loss humilates Jerry so I hope he is feeling it.

Where’s the talent?

outside of the WR position where’s the talent?


As usual we overrated the talent on this roster

atlantacowboy said:

The point of the post was looking over a long period of time. Sure we can rise up in a fluke season and contend. This team has had plenty of talent over the years. I think we fielded 11 pro bowl players in 2007 and almost as many in 2014. But we can't sustain anything b/c of the idiot in the owners box playing GM.

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The title says talent will never overcome Dysfunction. When it has. That's my point. I'm not arguing anything besides the fact that talent can overcome Dysfunction. It's been proven.

Swanny said:

The title says talent will never overcome Dysfunction. When it has. That's my point. I'm not arguing anything besides the fact that talent can overcome Dysfunction. It's been proven.

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Not in the salary cap era it hasn't. The past 25 years its been dysfunction junction in the FO. It hasn't worked.

Swanny said:

So it is possible that talent can overcome Dysfunction

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In the long run, no. You’d have to have a special team to do that. The 90’s Cowboys is a once in a lifetime assembly so I would not bank on being able to overcome it. It’s not a successful business model at all

bigE79 said:

Hey,I wanted garrett to succeed so much,seeing he was one of our own, unfortunately that never materialized.

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Depends on how we define success this era.