I got pulled off the Prescott fence

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Just ask yourself 1 question.....Are you as a Cowboy fan happy with Dak and his overall performance and results leading our team in the last 3 seasons?
Now ask yourself one more question....does his performance warrant 15-20% of our cap?
 

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Yeah, I know, another Dak thread but I have been squarely on that fence with him for quite some time and was 50/50 on whether to keep him or go shopping but I underestimated one element of his game, the one that can't be argued here regardless of your opinion of him as a passer.

I've watched him since he was a junior and the one thing that was apparent was his leadership which is impressive when you consider he didn't win that job, he won the backup job. Then he comes to Dallas and becomes the starter form the 3rd QB position and immediately takes over as if he belonged there. Because in his mind, he has always belonged there. He accepts and fulfills the role of leadership as well as any player in the NFL.

My problem has been underestimating the value of leadership, I want that guy with the big arm too or a QB that plays like Mahomes, Rodgers or Wilson and I guess I can add Burrow, Herbert and Murray to that list.

But if I ever got a lesson on the real value of leadership, I had to look no further than the Cowboys when the heart, soul and fight of this team went down. The team went on life support when their leader went down.

I didn't get pushed off that fence, Dak pulled me off of it. That shot of him, tears in his eyes, about to lose it wasn't for himself, it was for the team that he would not be there to lead. He knew he was the only one to lead them back from deficits at half time and I have seen something I didn't think I would see since he retired. The Staubach Effect.

Roger had the Captain Comeback title because of a unique skill he had, he could make others believe. He didn't make those comebacks on his own, he lifted his team and they lifted him because of one simple fact, they believed. Dak Prescott has that.

I think the difference he makes is evident and easily identifiable. Gallup doesn't drop that pass if it's from Dak, Lamb doesn't have those drops if those passes are from him and even the defense plays harder because they believe he will not give up or give in.......as they unfortunately did, I don't think this talk of unrest even starts up if he is there.

Want to really appreciate someone or some thing? Lose them, even for a short period of time because only then do you see the picture without them in it. And this wasn't a really pretty picture with him in it but it is downright ugly now.

There is no longer any doubt about Dak Prescott in my mind, he is the man and I've never seen one team miss one player like this in all my years. He is worth whatever they have to pay him. What an oddity, Dak has increased his value through his absence.

Leadership is his strong suit....but....

If we give in to giving him a 3 year contract demand we arent going to win anything.....period.

His leadership hasnt even taken us to a NFCC game, so how do you propose this Leadership is it going to overcome one of the worst defenses we've had in living memory, players not playing up to contracts and injury concerns to O-LINE?
 

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Dak is more accurate and hasn't had the D McNabb always had.

Dak is more like John Kitna. Lots of yards on bad teams. McNabb didn't pad his accuracy numbers with lots of short safe throws like Qbs do nowadays, and he was a much better runner than Dak and had far more pocket mobility.
 

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Just ask yourself 1 question.....Are you as a Cowboy fan happy with Dak and his overall performance and results leading our team in the last 3 seasons?
Now ask yourself one more question....does his performance warrant 15-20% of our cap?

Wrong question. The question is can Dallas build a super bowl contender with the QB making 15-20% of the cap? He's making 31M or so this year and the results are not good. Pretty sure bumping him up closer to 40M won't improve the team. Plus, the league is bleeding revenue. Most previous contracts factor in the cap going up. The cap may actually go down.
 

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I know many fans want to contemplate Dak Prescott's situation - pro or con; however, there is still over half of this season to go. I prefer to focus on that...no matter if it continues to be as bad as the last two games, or this Cowboys team somehow turns it around gets some more wins in 2020.
 

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I'm falling off the fence, only because he holds the ball too long, late on crossing routes, and pocket awareness Draft a blue chipper and let the battle begin
 

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So you've let emotion make your decision and not the lack of post season results over the past 5 seasons with him as the QB?

So now we just become the fighting Dak's and parade Dak around while maintaining mediocrity because of 2016 and he was a great leader?

I'll pass.. I want championships.. I don't care who is winning them for us.

I just don't want to be mediocre.
I'd settle for mediocre right now, instead of being lower than whale dung with out Dak. jmo.
 

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I'm falling off the fence, only because he holds the ball too long, late on crossing routes, and pocket awareness Draft a blue chipper and let the battle begin
and the rookie blue chipper QB will be running for his life behind our O-line. Rebuild the line with 3 blue chippers, we already have a veteran QB to keep healthy
 

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I'd rather be the worst team in football than mediocre.. Sign me up.

I want to be the best or the worst.. Being in the middle is the worst position in sports and we have been stuck there. The 1 year we were absolutely terrible it landed us Zeke and brought us a few nice years.
A few nice years? I thought you wanted championships.
 
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Yeah, I know, another Dak thread but I have been squarely on that fence with him for quite some time and was 50/50 on whether to keep him or go shopping but I underestimated one element of his game, the one that can't be argued here regardless of your opinion of him as a passer.

I've watched him since he was a junior and the one thing that was apparent was his leadership which is impressive when you consider he didn't win that job, he won the backup job. Then he comes to Dallas and becomes the starter form the 3rd QB position and immediately takes over as if he belonged there. Because in his mind, he has always belonged there. He accepts and fulfills the role of leadership as well as any player in the NFL.

My problem has been underestimating the value of leadership, I want that guy with the big arm too or a QB that plays like Mahomes, Rodgers or Wilson and I guess I can add Burrow, Herbert and Murray to that list.

But if I ever got a lesson on the real value of leadership, I had to look no further than the Cowboys when the heart, soul and fight of this team went down. The team went on life support when their leader went down.

I didn't get pushed off that fence, Dak pulled me off of it. That shot of him, tears in his eyes, about to lose it wasn't for himself, it was for the team that he would not be there to lead. He knew he was the only one to lead them back from deficits at half time and I have seen something I didn't think I would see since he retired. The Staubach Effect.

Roger had the Captain Comeback title because of a unique skill he had, he could make others believe. He didn't make those comebacks on his own, he lifted his team and they lifted him because of one simple fact, they believed. Dak Prescott has that.

I think the difference he makes is evident and easily identifiable. Gallup doesn't drop that pass if it's from Dak, Lamb doesn't have those drops if those passes are from him and even the defense plays harder because they believe he will not give up or give in.......as they unfortunately did, I don't think this talk of unrest even starts up if he is there.

Want to really appreciate someone or some thing? Lose them, even for a short period of time because only then do you see the picture without them in it. And this wasn't a really pretty picture with him in it but it is downright ugly now.

There is no longer any doubt about Dak Prescott in my mind, he is the man and I've never seen one team miss one player like this in all my years. He is worth whatever they have to pay him. What an oddity, Dak has increased his value through his absence.


So you did this based on ...one game? Hmmm...I'll be gosh.
 

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Yeah, I know, another Dak thread but I have been squarely on that fence with him for quite some time and was 50/50 on whether to keep him or go shopping but I underestimated one element of his game, the one that can't be argued here regardless of your opinion of him as a passer.

I've watched him since he was a junior and the one thing that was apparent was his leadership which is impressive when you consider he didn't win that job, he won the backup job. Then he comes to Dallas and becomes the starter form the 3rd QB position and immediately takes over as if he belonged there. Because in his mind, he has always belonged there. He accepts and fulfills the role of leadership as well as any player in the NFL.

My problem has been underestimating the value of leadership, I want that guy with the big arm too or a QB that plays like Mahomes, Rodgers or Wilson and I guess I can add Burrow, Herbert and Murray to that list.

But if I ever got a lesson on the real value of leadership, I had to look no further than the Cowboys when the heart, soul and fight of this team went down. The team went on life support when their leader went down.

I didn't get pushed off that fence, Dak pulled me off of it. That shot of him, tears in his eyes, about to lose it wasn't for himself, it was for the team that he would not be there to lead. He knew he was the only one to lead them back from deficits at half time and I have seen something I didn't think I would see since he retired. The Staubach Effect.

Roger had the Captain Comeback title because of a unique skill he had, he could make others believe. He didn't make those comebacks on his own, he lifted his team and they lifted him because of one simple fact, they believed. Dak Prescott has that.

I think the difference he makes is evident and easily identifiable. Gallup doesn't drop that pass if it's from Dak, Lamb doesn't have those drops if those passes are from him and even the defense plays harder because they believe he will not give up or give in.......as they unfortunately did, I don't think this talk of unrest even starts up if he is there.

Want to really appreciate someone or some thing? Lose them, even for a short period of time because only then do you see the picture without them in it. And this wasn't a really pretty picture with him in it but it is downright ugly now.

There is no longer any doubt about Dak Prescott in my mind, he is the man and I've never seen one team miss one player like this in all my years. He is worth whatever they have to pay him. What an oddity, Dak has increased his value through his absence.
Great post Coach. IMO, Leadership is the most underrated quality in measuring a QB’s value. There are very few QBs who achieve greatness who have all the tools except leadership. But there are many who may not have every tool, but they have leadership. Those are often the greats. I don’t know if Dak will be an all time great, but he’s certainly proven he is THE leader of this team.
 

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No heart, no fear, no worries from millionaire players and coaches............it isn't Dak and he isn't going to win a Superbowl for you, just like Tony Romo didn't. Until you find the master motivator and disciplinarian who can teach and monitor...................it is status quo. You have to win the battle of opposing your will on the other team, before you can talk about championships. Just a bunch of cameo princesses who yell "look at me" on this team. Get all you can out of them and start all over. New Staff as well, if they don't have the ability to change the "will" of the players. Yes Dak has great leadership skills, but the team in general has no discipline and drive. This team needs a talent evaluating task master and a massive amount of kicks to the *** till they get it done "right".
 

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Yeah, I know, another Dak thread but I have been squarely on that fence with him for quite some time and was 50/50 on whether to keep him or go shopping but I underestimated one element of his game, the one that can't be argued here regardless of your opinion of him as a passer.

I've watched him since he was a junior and the one thing that was apparent was his leadership which is impressive when you consider he didn't win that job, he won the backup job. Then he comes to Dallas and becomes the starter form the 3rd QB position and immediately takes over as if he belonged there. Because in his mind, he has always belonged there. He accepts and fulfills the role of leadership as well as any player in the NFL.

My problem has been underestimating the value of leadership, I want that guy with the big arm too or a QB that plays like Mahomes, Rodgers or Wilson and I guess I can add Burrow, Herbert and Murray to that list.

But if I ever got a lesson on the real value of leadership, I had to look no further than the Cowboys when the heart, soul and fight of this team went down. The team went on life support when their leader went down.

I didn't get pushed off that fence, Dak pulled me off of it. That shot of him, tears in his eyes, about to lose it wasn't for himself, it was for the team that he would not be there to lead. He knew he was the only one to lead them back from deficits at half time and I have seen something I didn't think I would see since he retired. The Staubach Effect.

Roger had the Captain Comeback title because of a unique skill he had, he could make others believe. He didn't make those comebacks on his own, he lifted his team and they lifted him because of one simple fact, they believed. Dak Prescott has that.

I think the difference he makes is evident and easily identifiable. Gallup doesn't drop that pass if it's from Dak, Lamb doesn't have those drops if those passes are from him and even the defense plays harder because they believe he will not give up or give in.......as they unfortunately did, I don't think this talk of unrest even starts up if he is there.

Want to really appreciate someone or some thing? Lose them, even for a short period of time because only then do you see the picture without them in it. And this wasn't a really pretty picture with him in it but it is downright ugly now.

There is no longer any doubt about Dak Prescott in my mind, he is the man and I've never seen one team miss one player like this in all my years. He is worth whatever they have to pay him. What an oddity, Dak has increased his value through his absence.

it happened when we lost Romo every time, it happened with 12qbs between Aikman and Romo...

i get your point but looking at the game Dak goes down then the next game we lose Martin early then the next game no martin or Knight..

not sure how much better Dak is other then a leader that keeps spirit up then what Dalton did..Dak was also fumbling , strip sacks, and throwing INts, we were 1-3 with him, what the prettier losses ,make you miss him you want to pay him whatever he demands?

Im not happy Daks gone nor do i think Daltons better but you are omitting that with Dak we were like 3-5 to end ;last year and 1-3 to start this year, last season we were pretty healthy and couldn't win a weak division and needed ONE win either the eagles game or one more other then the final game to win and Dak was the QB, was he not?

Daks been healthy up until this year yet we finishes seasons 9-7, 8-8, and started one 3-5 and now this one 1-3...thats awesome...irreplaceable for sure..smh

I know its not ALL on him but where all this magic ?

you say you never seen a team go so flat when guy goes down yet it happened after every Romo Injury..you forgetful? the OL is in absolute Shambles and i doubt dak would have faired better the last two games, possibly a few more scores MAYBE..

we have seen Dak in many games couldn't score more then 10points in many years.. offense has went flat for games and QTRs with him..I mean 2017 we lost many games without zeke and Tyron, BTW go back and look at all the losses without TS, i bet you see more and indicator when the OL has major injuries' we struggle to score and win..

again i know its not just him but these losses the last 2 weeks are far deeper then just missing Dak..the Ol is far and away the biggest issue, defense and then coaching.. then missing dak..like i said dak may have made the games look a bit better but still Ls from where i sit.

saying WRs weren't dropping passes , really they led the league last year in drops as a core did they not?

this isnt Anti Dak its team reality check for fans..Mahomes couldn't play behind this line.its the worst OL inthe nfl and most likely the worst lines the DC has started as unit in my recent memory..its ugly cant run , cant pass, cant win..thats it..

like i said better qb might make few more plays but we still lose, see the 1-3 pre injury start and the 3-5 record to finish last season..seriously what are you looking at?
 

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Just ask yourself 1 question.....Are you as a Cowboy fan happy with Dak and his overall performance and results leading our team in the last 3 seasons?
Now ask yourself one more question....does his performance warrant 15-20% of our cap?
This may not be the best time for you to go down this road considering the offense was one of the best in the NFL with Dak, and one of the worst with Dak injured.
 

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Paying Dak anything next year is last rung on the ladder now. Jerry needs to start dumping contracts and personnel to build a new future through the draft and that includes a new 5th yr option QB. We need tons of draft picks over the next 3 years and unload aging vets who no longer deserve to be paid. We are going to have to eat dead money for the next two years at least so the team is going to have to go through the Cleveland syndrome. We will not be competitive for some time as we rebuild and retool. We also need to dump these current group of overpaid, underperfoming coaches and look for some young innovation. This is going to be a dumpster fire for awhile so buckle in for lots of stink and suck!
 

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This may not be the best time for you to go down this road considering the offense was one of the best in the NFL with Dak, and one of the worst with Dak injured.
Not all Cowboys fans are Dak-Zoids and put first and foremost the TEAM, not the most average Prescott!
Once again you will be waiting for that coveted contract and once again you and all the Dak-Trolls will fall flat on your faces!
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Not all Cowboys fans are Dak-Zoids and put first and foremost the TEAM, not the most average Prescott!
Once again you will be waiting for that coveted contract and once again you and all the Dak-Trolls will fall flat on your faces!
Remember.....

https://encrypted-tbn0.***NOT-ALLOWED***/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTScv2MpryYxn8xleCoFPcRNEtSqckaBHy11A&usqp=CAU

You literally ignored what I wrote and instead went down the nonsensical and childish path of name calling. This has nothing to do with the QB position and is, as usual, based in your irrational and childish dislike of a person.

I still think Dak must have stuffed you in a locker in high school.
 
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