Would Cowboys trade Amari Cooper?

kevm3

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Imagine for a minute.....worst case....let's say if Copper and Elliott were each dealt for a 2nd....

Having two extra premium picks plus the salary relief of two high end players.

That potentially four defensive starters, plus our own picks.

Wanna turn this around quickly? That's how to do it, rather than pretend it's your fantasy draft.

And BTW the offense wouldnt miss a beat. Still deep at WR and a 3rd-4th round RB could match Zekes production.

To me the more likely scenario is that the offense is mediocre again, and we bring in more Taco's, Randy Gregorys, Vander Esch's and Jaylon Smiths, and the defense continues to be trash as we retain Nolan and draft players with injury or drug issues. So we will have a bottom of the barrel defense while we watch Amari enjoy his trip deep into the playoffs on the Packers or Patriots and we get to enjoy Jerry draft a defender with drug issues who won't play for 3 years.
 

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Cooper was a winner at Alabama, so you're saying he's now a loser is baffling. Better leadership from Cowboy's ownership down to Cooper's teammates would showcase Cooper's talent.
I dont like the guy, but....

I'll admit he is a very good football player. He is productive.

He is just a passive type on a team that has too many players like that....and he plays a position we are deep at.

For me, it's more about football and improving this defense any way possible than disliking Cooper.
 

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Exactly. These guys get caught up in this whole "beta vs alpha" approach. Because Cooper is quiet doesn't mean he's a "loser". Hell if anything Cowboys made him one.

He's always been quiet, which is fine with me. Rather that than some "toot your own horn" player like Dez or Owens. Being vocal is fine, if done the right way, like Irvin.

Just because somebody doesn't run his mouth all the time doesn't mean they don't care...
 

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There's nothing wrong with Zeke, physically, not at his age and lack of injury history. And putting him on a good team would help him immensely, the coaches would fix that fumbling problem, probably in a game or two...
I don't think the issue is with Zeke. His fumbles are mental. He'll fix those. I'm afraid that Zeke's production thus far in his career is based on volume. I'm not sure how much better we would be if we had Carlos Hyde getting 20 carries a game.

Sure he doesn't have a offensive line right now but I thought we paid him for times like this. I like the guy and it pains me to say but Zeke does not offer much to this team aside from getting the touch yardage on 4th and 1 or in the redzone.
 

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He's always been quiet, which is fine with me. Rather that than some "toot your own horn" player like Dez or Owens. Being vocal is fine, if done the right way, like Irvin.

Just because somebody doesn't run his mouth all the time doesn't mean they don't care...



I agree 100%. Cooper played all of last season, with a hurt foot. And put up 1150 yards and 8 TD’s


You don’t do that if you don’t care.

you also aren’t as good as Amari Cooper if you don’t practice and train hard and work on your craft.


He obviously cares. Based on his actions. People read too much into his facial expressions.
 

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Yeah I think they are screwing up a strength and for a late 1st rounder its not worth it to me.

Exactly. I don't get this obsession with draft pics. We're going to likely have to use that 1st rounder to draft another receiver when this offense starts sucking again, especially when Gallup starts receiving the attention that Amari gets and doesn't look like the Gallup he once did. Also, there's no guarantee that Gallup would even want to resign here... so we'd be down to CeeDee Lamb in a year. If I'm Dak and I see Jerry and Stephen are intending to blow up the offense, no way I'm sticking around... and in that case, that high 1st is going to be used to draft another qb while we have a late round pick to get a defender, which has typically been taco territory for us
 

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To me the more likely scenario is that the offense is mediocre again, and we bring in more Taco's, Randy Gregorys, Vander Esch's and Jaylon Smiths, and the defense continues to be trash as we retain Nolan and draft players with injury or drug issues. So we will have a bottom of the barrel defense while we watch Amari enjoy his trip deep into the playoffs on the Packers or Patriots and we get to enjoy Jerry draft a defender with drug issues who won't play for 3 years.
I get it.

But I'm not sure of the sense of being 4+ deep at WR when we give up record rushing yardage weekly.

They could definitely blow those draft picks, but you've gotta try.

I know that Amari Cooper is never going to help this run defense. I'd rather take his salary and spend it on someone who can.
 

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Although it's way too easy to bash the incompetent Jones clan, I'm liking that their having a fire sale, or what appears to be a fire sale. I'd say go ahead and trade Cooper too. With Gallup due for a new contract, and Lamb and Wilson showing the potential of their talent, trade Amari, get what ya can, and continue to blow this team up and start from scratch.

I find myself agreeing with you quite a bit lately!
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He's always been quiet, which is fine with me. Rather that than some "toot your own horn" player like Dez or Owens. Being vocal is fine, if done the right way, like Irvin.

Just because somebody doesn't run his mouth all the time doesn't mean they don't care...
I agree. I don't hold that against him.
 

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No, the cap doesn't really work that way. Nor does this deal.
DAL GTD the first 2 years and 40M of the deal.
DAL would eat 28M in dead cap.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/amari-cooper-16728/

What's more is DAL is almost certainly going to base to bonus flip Cooper in 2021.
That will reduce his cap hit to something around 10M. --They can get it at low as 6M

DAL could consider this move in 2022.

I suggest taking a look at Spotrac. While the salaries are guaranteed, the team that has to pay them isn't.
 

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I get it.

But I'm not sure of the sense of being 4+ deep at WR when we give up record rushing yardage weekly.

They could definitely blow those draft picks, but you've gotta try.

I know that Amari Cooper is never going to help this run defense. I'd rather take his salary and spend it on someone who can.

If we had some DC known for producing elite defenses and I saw that DC getting solid results out of this group, then I'd possibly take that risk, but no way would I take a strength of this team, which is the offense, and then hand those resources over to Nolan.. especially with players coming out and saying the coaching staff is unprepared and doesn't teach anything. Diggs actually looks like he has been regressing
 

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well, washington wanted to sign him outright, but a trade? that's paying twice...and I wonder if in their current state they would consider....they are not even close.

I am not saying nobody would...but who and what will they give up to get him. we paid a first. now 20M this year.....and get what in return.....I wouldn't do it for a 3rd...no way

if there is enough buyers, can we cash that into a low first round pick....I would hate to get a low second round pick having given up so much

Philly? they need WRs....but trading to a division rival...
New England? but they often don't over pay for players.... they are always barain shopping
SF?
KC? loading up.....for the next few years perhaps
Saints? to pair him with Thomas...make a run
Bills? to add another weapon and make a run when new england is down
Indy? hmmm,
AZ? pair him with Hopkins.....
GB? do they need him
Chicago? they have the defense
Ravens? they are desparate and they signed Dez!!! out of football for three years...
Cleveland? specially now that they lost bekam.....and they might part ways with him next year too
Raiders? they need offense to keep up with KC...

we will see.......
As much as I've stated my dislike for the player, I have no doubt he could go to a team this year and do what he did for our team in 2018.

He is a productive player.

Expendible in our case for the longer term good.
 

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I don't think the issue is with Zeke. His fumbles are mental. He'll fix those. I'm afraid that Zeke's production thus far in his career is based on volume. I'm not sure how much better we would be if we had Carlos Hyde getting 20 carries a game.

Sure he doesn't have a offensive line right now but I thought we paid him for times like this. I like the guy and it pains me to say but Zeke does not offer much to this team aside from getting the touch yardage on 4th and 1 or in the redzone.

Last game he got 12 carries. That's too low, even if the team was behind early. If nothing else running him makes defenses have to commit at least some energy to watching him.

I saw at least 3 carries on a web post from his last game. One he got the ball, as soon as he got to the l.o.s. he had two defenders in front of him, about two feet apart. NO back is going anywhere much in that case. Another as soon as he got the ball, a defender was on him, NO running back has a quick enough first step to go anywhere in that case. On the fumbled pitch out, there were two unblocked defenders in the flat, he would only have gotten maybe 3-4 yards, if that, and it was like 2nd and 10 or such.

There are few holes to run through, too many defenders to get past on 90% of his few carries.

He's not the problem, and no back could do any better than he's doing, he has to take on blocker after blocker and pound his way to yards. He'll never last at this rate, even at 220-plus pounds...
 

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I'd demand more for my #1 receiver.
Stash...he went for a one when we got him.

He is two years older, has documentable foot issues, and now comes with most of a 100m contract stapled to him.

A 2nd and a throw in is fair.

Dont overlook the salary relief factor.
 

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Last game he got 12 carries. That's too low, even if the team was behind early. If nothing else running him makes defenses have to commit at least some energy to watching him.

I saw at least 3 carries on a web post from his last game. One he got the ball, as soon as he got to the l.o.s. he had two defenders in front of him, about two feet apart. NO back is going anywhere much in that case. Another as soon as he got the ball, a defender was on him, NO running back has a quick enough first step to go anywhere in that case. On the fumbled pitch out, there were two unblocked defenders in the flat, he would only have gotten maybe 3-4 yards, if that, and it was like 2nd and 10 or such.

There are few holes to run through, too many defenders to get past on 90% of his few carries.

He's not the problem, and no back could do any better than he's doing, he has to take on blocker after blocker and pound his way to yards. He'll never last at this rate, even at 220-plus pounds...

My stance with Zeke is the same one I have with Lawrence. I don't question their effort. They are good players. But they are paid to be cornerstone guys and I don't think they are that for us. The Cowboy are not using their resources correctly with those two players.
 

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So a rookie who may be a bust is a service needed. lol.
When that rookie has more talent than your best bud Dakky, then absolutely. Time to let Dak seek his fortune on another team and lets start a new, hopefully better chapter in Dallas Cowboy's football.
 
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