Would Cowboys trade Amari Cooper?

Stash · Oct 28, 2020

fivetwos said:
Stash...he went for a one when we got him.

He is two years older, has documentable foot issues, and now comes with most of a 100m contract stapled to him.

A 2nd and a throw in is fair.

Dont overlook the salary relief factor.

Good points all...

kevm3 · Oct 28, 2020

If Stephen Jones actually did something in free agency, I'd consider the salary being freed up but what woud likely happen is that money would be allocated to players with drug issues attempting to make a recovery, injured and cast aways from another team who look like bargains. Instead of grabbing some elite player, we'd bring in more Rolondo McClains, David Irvings, etc., who pop for a few games and then get driven out the league when their off the field issues catch up to them.

TheMarathonContinues · Oct 28, 2020

fivetwos said:
Stash...he went for a one when we got him.

He is two years older, has documentable foot issues, and now comes with most of a 100m contract stapled to him.

A 2nd and a throw in is fair.

Dont overlook the salary relief factor.

He netted a 1st when he sucked. He was bad in Oakland. The only reason he netted a 2nd or a 1st like what was reported was because he was still young and coming off pro bowls. He's still young to this day. He's in his mid 20's. He's had 1k yards every year since being here. And his contract isn't 100 million. His deal is basically 2 years at 20 million per and I'm not even sure if the Cowboys would even foot some of that. He has a favorable contract. If its not a 1st I'm not doing it.

TheMarathonContinues · Oct 28, 2020

kevm3 said:
If Stephen Jones actually did something in free agency, I'd consider the salary being freed up but what woud likely happen is that money would be allocated to players with drug issues attempting to make a recovery, injured and cast aways from another team who look like bargains. Instead of grabbing some elite player, we'd bring in more Rolondo McClains, David Irvings, etc., who pop for a few games and then get driven out the league when their off the field issues catch up to them.

If Cowboys had 40 million to spend he'd use that on 10 players lol.

HungryLion · Oct 28, 2020

fivetwos said:
Stash...he went for a one when we got him.

He is two years older, has documentable foot issues, and now comes with most of a 100m contract stapled to him.

A 2nd and a throw in is fair.

Dont overlook the salary relief factor.

He also has two pro bowl Berths in two seasons since the cowboys got him and is #5 in receiving yards so far this season.

I tell a team to piss off for a 2nd

fivetwos · Oct 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
My stance with Zeke is the same one I have with Lawrence. I don't question their effort. They are good players. But they are paid to be cornerstone guys and I don't think they are that for us. The Cowboy are not using their resources correctly with those two players.

Very well said. Nice.

LACowboysFan1 · Oct 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
My stance with Zeke is the same one I have with Lawrence. I don't question their effort. They are good players. But they are paid to be cornerstone guys and I don't think they are that for us. The Cowboy are not using their resources correctly with those two players.

Though you drafted him because he was a top runner, without at least some semblance of a good o-line, there's not a thing the team can do to help him...

kevm3 · Oct 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
If Cowboys had 40 million to spend he'd use that on 10 players lol.

Exactly. We'd get more Dontari Poes, Everson Griffin's, etc. Everson isn't on this team any more, Poe hasn't shown up at all... can't wait for more Greg Hardy's as well.

We also are terrible at drafting defenders and let the only elite guy in recent history that we drafted walk away in Byron Jones. Lawrence was solid for a bit, but after getting paid, he completely mailed it in.

fivetwos · Oct 28, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
He also has two pro bowl Berths in two seasons since the cowboys got him and is #5 in receiving yards so far this season.

I tell a team to piss off for a 2nd

How do we trade those yards in to help build a defense?

I agree as far as straight up value....but I doubt anyone would do it. Maybe a first but they get back a 3rd. Dont know. I personally would take a 2nd straight up but JMO.

I'm more excited about getting out of the deal to sign a defensive FA than the actual compensation.

It isnt the worst idea in the world to trade from strength and help a disaster on the other side of the ball.

Theres what he is worth, then theres what someone may pay. Keeping him sets the team back. Period.

Cant tell me he is worth more than 2 defensive starters when you have Lamb Gallup and Wilson

jterrell · Oct 28, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
No. The guarantees are base salary guarantees. If a team trades for him they pay the base salary. Which means the cowboys don’t take that as a cap hit.

That is correct IF the team agrees to eat those GTD cap hits.
Which no team is doing and trading you any value for.

DAL would eat 4M now and free up 20M next year for GB or whomever to take on 6M this year, 20M GTD AND the 2022 GTD hitting on the 5th day of 2022.
No team is doing that. That's 46M for 2.5 years of Cooper and you give up a 1?? rofl.

For DAL to trade Cooper for a 1 they'd have to eat the GTD money by restructuring and paying the 20M as a bonus now.

OR DAL keeps Cooper, restructures him next year down to a cap hit of ~8-10M and considers moving him in 2022 when a team could restructure him ahead of that 20M GTD.
They can save plenty money by simply keeping him.

If DAL is to win in 2021 then they certainly need the passing attack. Ced Wilson looks good but that's a shallow bench with Gallup, CeeDee and Wilson as starters.
Amari is 26 years old. This would be like ATL trading Calvin Ridley.

99% of what Florio types is nonsense.

jjktkk · Oct 28, 2020

fivetwos said:
I am STUNNED at this to be honest.

Like it, and it's the right move, but stunned Jerry is willing to do it.

It's very rare that Jerrys this pissed off. When Jerry is this mad, anything goes and players and coaches better tread lightly.

fivetwos · Oct 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
He netted a 1st when he sucked. He was bad in Oakland. The only reason he netted a 2nd or a 1st like what was reported was because he was still young and coming off pro bowls. He's still young to this day. He's in his mid 20's. He's had 1k yards every year since being here. And his contract isn't 100 million. His deal is basically 2 years at 20 million per and I'm not even sure if the Cowboys would even foot some of that. He has a favorable contract. If its not a 1st I'm not doing it.

Yeah I'll give you the part that he can be cut after 2021 with minimal penalty.

Maybe he is WORTH a 1st, or close....but it's a matter of is anyone going to do that.

Then again Cooks was dealt for a 1 more than once.

I'm just interested in freeing up the salary to spend on defense, which I wanted to do in the first place.

Creeper · Oct 28, 2020

Plankton said:
Sure there is. Trading him includes trading his contract. His salary guarantee would be assumed by the team acquiring him, not the Cowboys. The Cowboys would be on the hook for the remaining unamortized signing bonus, which is $8M after this season.

Ah, yes, of course. Brain dead over here.

fivetwos · Oct 28, 2020

kevm3 said:
Exactly. We'd get more Dontari Poes, Everson Griffin's, etc. Everson isn't on this team any more, Poe hasn't shown up at all... can't wait for more Greg Hardy's as well.

We also are terrible at drafting defenders and let the only elite guy in recent history that we drafted walk away in Byron Jones. Lawrence was solid for a bit, but after getting paid, he completely mailed it in.

Stephen loves him some bargains!

jaythecowboy · Oct 28, 2020

Indy was the name I kept looking at. I'm not trading Amari in the NFC. I definitely would want a late 1st or multiple picks though.

jjktkk · Oct 28, 2020

stasheroo said:
I find myself agreeing with you quite a bit lately!

Well Stash, I'm very happy that you finally got my check in the mail that I sent you. :omg:

HungryLion · Oct 28, 2020

fivetwos said:
How do we trade those yards in to help build a defense?

I agree as far as straight up value....but I doubt anyone would do it. Maybe a first but they get back a 3rd. Dont know. I personally would take a 2nd straight up but JMO.

I'm more excited about getting out of the deal to sign a defensive FA than the actual compensation.

It isnt the worst idea in the world to trade from strength and help a disaster on the other side of the ball.

Theres what he is worth, then theres what someone may pay. Keeping him sets the team back. Period.

Cant tell me he is worth more than 2 defensive starters when you have Lamb Gallup and Wilson

And what’s the hit rate on 2nd round picks for the cowboys especially on defense?

I’m trading Cooper for another trysten hill or Jaylon Smith or chido?

No thanks.

I would rather just keep him
And try to outscore everyone than take a 2nd and pray the cowboys hit on a defender in the 2nd.

jterrell · Oct 28, 2020

stasheroo said:
I suggest taking a look at Spotrac. While the salaries are guaranteed, the team that has to pay them isn't.

If I wanna buy a Benz I'm not taking over payments from someone in year 1 of their loan that has terrible credit plus giving them their cash down payment back.

No team is eating all the GTD money and offering you a 1 for a WR.
Florio is a goofball who posts complete and total made up nonsense like the Dez tape.

Dallas would have to restructure the deal to eat the 20M GTD in order to get a high pick.
The team would STILL assume the likely guarantee for 2022 but could get in front of that with their own restructure.

Amari is 26 and not the guy to move right now. His value is higher in Dallas where he can have his cap hit lowered in the off-season to free up cap space and you still maintain arguably the best WR corps in football for a returning Dak Prescott.

If you have decided to just tank and let Dak walk then so be it. Trade everyone off but you are at square zero and starting over from scratch. That might literally kill Jerry Jones.

Rayman70 · Oct 28, 2020

IF WE trade Cooper to a team like the Jets for Quinnen Williams and a pick, I do that.

TheMarathonContinues · Oct 28, 2020

fivetwos said:
Yeah I'll give you the part that he can be cut after 2021 with minimal penalty.

Maybe he is WORTH a 1st, or close....but it's a matter of is anyone going to do that.

Then again Cooks was dealt for a 1 more than once.

I'm just interested in freeing up the salary to spend on defense, which I wanted to do in the first place.

So this is my theory.......

I'm not a fan of free agency. Never have been. Free agency is not nearly the crap shoot the NFL draft is but its a crap shoot as well.

I'm convinced if the Cowboys had 50 million cap space they'd spend it on 11 players. I have zero faith in this team. It wasn't like they didn't spend money this year. They did. Every body either got hurt or sucked. From Dak and McCoy to Worley and Poe. Everyone.

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