Will Jerry get rid of McCarthy at end of the year or drag his feet?

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Mike McCarthy was a bad choice. I said that before we hired him and I don't see any signs for optimism with McCarthy going forward.

The reasons he was fired for in GB raised a lot of red flags for me and the fact he had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers as his QB's and knowing we didn't have that here concerned me.

Also, the Packers have been better without him..

My concern with Jerry is he likes to make sure things are really this bad. He likes to sacrifice extra seasons and make sure he was wrong. We have to see failure sometimes 2 or 3 seasons with players before ownership makes a move.

Now to be fair to McCarthy the injury bug hit us and it hit us hard and the pandemic happened as well. It would've been tough to overcome.. But.. What can we even point to as a single positive?

The country club move is to keep McCarthy and let everyone know Jerry will pay you millions. I think they like McCarthy a lot and make every excuse imaginable for him.


I heard Greenberg on the radio this AM saying he expects Dallas to completely hit the blow up button. He said he thinks Zeke and Dak are gone and the reasoning was that the cap will actually be shrinking when they expected it to go up.

We also need a lot and we don't have the resources to put a team on the field with a championship ceiling.


 
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Catch, we agree on most things but I think he stays. My theory may be wrong but with recent interviews with Favre and others out there here it is:

The players were used to a pleasant work place. They were coddled. Clapping and butt slapping. Now an outsider who is a tough Pittsburgh guy comes in and hates the atmosphere. He’s in guys faces. He’s no nonsense and wants to toughen the team. Players revolt, play lazy, leak to the media because in the past Jerry would save them. BUT now Jerry wants tough. He wants MM to have guys who are hard nosed. He will start cutting players vs firing MM. This isn’t a coach issue now, it is a player/atmosphere issue from the last 10 yrs Plus. MM definitely gets another year with an off-season and getting his guys and I suspect 3 is their breaking point
 
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TexasFrog said:
Catch, we agree on most things but I think he stays. My theory may be wrong but with recent interviews with Favre and others out there here it is:

The players were used to a pleasant work place. They were coddled. Clapping and butt slapping. Now an outsider who is a tough Pittsburgh guy comes in and hates the atmosphere. He’s in guys faces. He’s no nonsense and wants to toughen the team. Players revolt, play lazy, leak to the media because in the past Jerry would save them. BUT now Jerry wants tough. He wants MM to have guys who are hard nosed. He will start cutting players vs firing MM. This isn’t a coach issue now, it is a player/atmosphere issue from the last 10 yrs Plus.
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Listen.. IF you tell me McCarthy was put in a horrible position with the offseason and and the injury bug then sure I will buy it.



My problems though are as stated above.. Packers getting better.. Having 2 NFL Goats at QB for him..

I think McCarthy is just a good ole boy buddy hire and I have seen nothing that makes me think he is an answer and not a problem. Like there is nothing to point to.


It upset me he didn't want to call plays. Especially after he said he would never do that again after giving it up in GB.
 
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I think that will depend on how this year progresses. If they stay the same punching bag, its hard to look past that, regardless of injuries, you need to make changes to how you play. I go back to Parcells winning 10 games with Quincy, a crappy line, average RB and really average players on D.
 
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ChronicCowboy said:
MM is gonna keep his job by default. Next season his arse will be on the hot seat.
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But he shouldn't. You have absolutely nothing positive to point to.

It's obvious to everyone.

Media say he is terrible.. Players say he is terrible. Most fans who were for hiring him think he's terrible.

You fire McCarthy nobody is saying that's a bad decision.

What is the risk with getting rid of him?

The only thing letting McCarthy go hurts is Jerry's wallet.
 

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I don't believe McCarthy is going anywhere for 3-4 years and I lean toward 4. Jerry and Stephen are stubborn on decisions like this. Save yourself time listening to Mike Greenberg. That guy is wrong 90 percent of the time. If they blow it up, McCarthy will be the one Jerry chooses to rebuild. Jerry has to feel comfortable with the person at coach and he feels comfortable with Mike.
 
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CATCH17 said:
Mike McCarthy was a bad choice. I said that before we hired him and I don't see any signs for optimism with McCarthy going forward.

The reasons he was fired for in GB raised a lot of red flags for me and the fact he had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers as his QB's and knowing we didn't have that here concerned me.

Also, the Packers have been better without him..

My concern with Jerry is he likes to make sure things are really this bad. He likes to sacrifice extra seasons and make sure he was wrong. We have to see failure sometimes 2 or 3 seasons with players before ownership makes a move.

Now to be fair to McCarthy the injury bug hit us and it hit us hard and the pandemic happened as well. It would've been tough to overcome.. But.. What can we even point to as a single positive?

The country club move is to keep McCarthy and let everyone know Jerry will pay you millions. I think they like McCarthy a lot and make every excuse imaginable for him.


I heard Greenberg on the radio this AM saying he expects Dallas to completely hit the blow up button. He said he thinks Zeke and Dak are gone and the reasoning was that the cap will actually be shrinking when they expected it to go up.

We also need a lot and we don't have the resources to put a team on the field with a championship ceiling.


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We still have half the season left so who knows, but I dont see how you judge ANY coach with all these injuries and his first year to install everything in 3 weeks and no preseason. I would certainly entertain possibly moving on from Nolan, but I let McCarthy make that call.
 
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Chocolate Lab said:
Never forget how much Jerry hates playing coaches.

But also, it's really not a fair year to judge him anyway with a bunch of scrubs on the OL and a second or third string QB.
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Yep.. He hates it to the point he will let them destroy seasons just so he doesn't pay them for not working for him.

It's like after we signed Ken Hamlin to that FA contract and it backfired and he was against signing safeties to big money.. He has stuck to his word on that one.
 
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Jerry should have approached Urban Meyer or Matt Rhule last off-season but didn’t.

If he wants this organization to get better then he needs to terminate Mike and step down as GM in which he won’t conduct neither.

This team has an Al Davis 2.0.
 
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Dwight said:
Jerry should have approached Urban Meyer or Matt Rhule last off-season but didn’t.

If he wants this organization to get better then he needs to terminate Mike and step down as GM in which he won’t conduct neither.

This team has an Al Davis 2.0.
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He 100% didn't do his due diligence at all.

He followed the Rooney rule and then quickly hired McCarthy.


I was all for the high upside coaching hire like Urban Meyer or Lincoln Riley. That is where I would've gone.

McCarthy hire was about as bland and boring of a hire as they could've made but McCarthy is a NFL family member and they wanted to get him back in the league. A complete Retread that has a ring because he coached one of the best QB's of all time.
 
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It would be nice if they actually knew what a young, up and coming coach looked like, who is innovative and is strong enough to set his culture despite the Jones interference.

im not sure the Jones twins watch enough football outside the Cowboys to find a Vrabel, do they even know who Eric Bienemy is? They know Lincoln Riley, were they seriously aware of Matt Rhule’s background?

comfort (campo, Garrett), name retread coaches (McCarthy, Phillips) are the way they operate. Unless they need a stadium built (parcells).
 
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CATCH17 said:
You fire McCarthy nobody is saying that's a bad decision.

What is the risk with getting rid of him?

The only thing letting McCarthy go hurts is Jerry's wallet.
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It would also require the Jones Boyz to admit they made another in a line of bad decisions, which would hurt them in the place they least like it--their egos. McCarthy is going nowhere this year. Too many built in excuses and the Jones Boyz will do their best to convine themselves they are on the right track. They did it for ten years with Garrett.
 
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