Every player should be “available” for the right price

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The Cowboys organization is in a state of change, after seeing the team consistently under perform this season and the defense be historically bad. That’s not all a bad thing.

During the Garrett years the team mired in mediocrity. We usually beat bad teams and lost to teams over .500. There were exceptions, of course.

MM comes along, and we start making a few changes. On the other hand, MM’s player shopping spree was limited mostly to the bargain bin, due to the checkbook being mostly empty after Jerry paid Tank, Jaylon, Zeke and others.

Where we are now is we can either go searching for a QB (which is anything but an exact science) or probably over pay a little to keep Dak. Which way we go will depend on Dak. Dak may have this team over a barrel, but at some point, you have to take the barrel.

The fact that Dak tried to take the deal we had on the table tells you that Jerry offered enough money that Dak should have taken it. Dak just waited too long to take it.

Herschell Walker was moved for picks back in the day. That trade—giving up the franchise’s best player—turned this team around and took us from the worst team in the league to three (and should have been 4) Super Bowls.

I see posters saying we should be trading Amari because our defense is so bad. That really makes no sense. What does make sense is parting with Amari for the right price. It would be better to do it in another year or so, due to dead money, but if you get an offer that makes your team better you do the deal now.

This team is going to have some significant challenges if they pay Dak, and I think they will. Oddly enough Dak may have more leverage after he was injured than before, on the other hand he also has the reality that the next play could be his last in the fore front of his mind. I think we will get Dak signed and I think Dak will, oddly enough, be more reasonable than pre injury.

My prediction with Dak is we will sign him, and we will over pay somewhat to keep him. On the other hand, if Dak gives us the barrel, Jerry may take the barrel. It is in all parties’ interest to get something done.

I think you will see this team turn around pretty quickly. Sooner than you think. We have some really good players and a really bad culture here. Garrett would have waited until the season was over to make a move. MM shipped out 3 starters on defense this week. We haven’t seen anything like that since Jimmy Johnson.

Every player should be “on the trading block” for the right price. That’s how bad teams get better.

Young players are hungry players. Hungry players tend to over perform their ability. Let’s let these young guys get some experience and give the coaches a chance to evaluate them. Churn the roster. Poach practice squad guys when possible.

If you approach the roster dispassionately you tend to make better decisions. Do you want a feel good story, or a winner? I’ll take the winner every time.

The one thing that does concern me is that we have had guys on this board clammoring to replace Worley and Poe for weeks. Why it took the Cowboys so long to move on from them (by not giving other players more snaps) is beyond me.
 

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We will only rebound once the organisation is able to evaluate our roster properly. I'm sure every player is theoretically on the trading block. What I would like to see is us stop over-evaluating our own talent on the roster. We need to differentiate between a great player and a good player. That's what we have been very poor at
 

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Dak definitely overplayed his hand and there is rumor the cap will be going down and not up because of the pandemic.

They gotta cut some salaries. The most obvious to me is Zeke and if a team like Indy, Chicago, New England, or Pittsburgh wants Dak then I think you would be wise to let them eat his contract demands and draft a QB and use the money to strengthen the roster as a whole.

Dallas also needs to cut Dalton and give him an opportunity to compete somewhere else and avoid the urge to play him here.
 

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There are players I wouldn’t trade and some you can’t trade
Everyone else is available to me if you can trade them
There as some we can’t trade I’d cut and some you can’t cut till after the season
Lamb, Martin, Gallup I wouldn’t trade
I probably wouldn’t trade Biadasz because he’s cheap and looks like he can be a good player
I can’t think of many more though
You can’t trade Dlaw or zeke
But I’d look at any other option no matter what round the pick is
 

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I don't think it took long to move on from Worley and Poe at all. We are 7 games into the season and they were cut. When is the last time you saw that happen? Not since Jimmy Johnson.

The real question is why were they signed in the first place? Anyone who watched these guys play last year knew they were no good anymore. Total waste of time and money. The same was true of HaHa Clinton Dix. If he was any good why didn't the Packers keep him for what the Cowboys paid him? That's the problem with inexpensive free agents. They are inexpensive for a reason. The thing is, free agency should be easier than the draft. You have tons of film to watch to see if free agents can play or not. Sure, the older ones can fade fast, or maybe they don't look so good on film due to injuries, but you have an entire staff to evaluate these things. You can see how players perform against other NFL players.

The worst thing about the Cowboys is that they always think they are one or 2 pieces away from the Super Bowl. After going 8-8 last year how could they possibly believe that? This year should have been a retooling year. Not a year to add 6 or 7 30 yr old players to the roster on 1 or 2 year contracts.

One of Jerry's biggest flaws, IMO, is he never seems to have a multi-year plan for this team. He does not get ahead of problems. HaHa Clinton Dix did not work out, (what a surprise), so now they have nothing at Safety? How does that happen?
 

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I don't think it took long to move on from Worley and Poe at all. We are 7 games into the season and they were cut. When is the last time you saw that happen? Not since Jimmy Johnson.

The real question is why were they signed in the first place? Anyone who watched these guys play last year knew they were no good anymore. Total waste of time and money. The same was true of HaHa Clinton Dix. If he was any good why didn't the Packers keep him for what the Cowboys paid him? That's the problem with inexpensive free agents. They are inexpensive for a reason. The thing is, free agency should be easier than the draft. You have tons of film to watch to see if free agents can play or not. Sure, the older ones can fade fast, or maybe they don't look so good on film due to injuries, but you have an entire staff to evaluate these things. You can see how players perform against other NFL players.

The worst thing about the Cowboys is that they always think they are one or 2 pieces away from the Super Bowl. After going 8-8 last year how could they possibly believe that? This year should have been a retooling year. Not a year to add 6 or 7 30 yr old players to the roster on 1 or 2 year contracts.

One of Jerry's biggest flaws, IMO, is he never seems to have a multi-year plan for this team. He does not get ahead of problems. HaHa Clinton Dix did not work out, (what a surprise), so now they have nothing at Safety? How does that happen?

Part of the strategy is taking a scrap heap player like Griffen and getting a comp pick out of him (in this case it was a trade). It’s the right idea, but the Cowboys seem to let it affect their plan too much.

I think the Patriots wanted to do that with Cam.
 

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I'm still not clear on how the dead money works on a trade as opposed to a release.

Hard to comment on trades without knowing that.

I really dont see a major housecleaning here anyway.

Jerry wants to take a run next year. I wont not believe that until I see some higher end activity.

Trading Griffen and cutting a couple of dudes that had no business being in the league anyway doesnt qualify.
 

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More angry fans reacting with these tough guy takes.

This isnt 1990. Player with large contracts do not have much trade value. You are basically just asking to unload probowl level talent and blow a bunch of holes in your roster because you lack a logical plan.

You also put yourself in salary cap hell where you end up having to cut other quality players and watch other talented players walk out of the door.

If our goal is to become the NY Jets and suck for the next decade then we should rage cut all of our star players and pretend we can replace them with mid round draft picks from the annual NFL gamble aka draft.

If you are dying to be the jets I'm sure they will trade you Sam Darnold and we can speed this thing up.
 

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Every player should be “available” for the right price

That's always been my philosophy in life in general:

"I'd never part with that." - not me

Some things cost more than others, some prices no one would be willing to pay, but everything is "available".
 

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Every player should be “available” for the right price

That's always been my philosophy in life in general:

"I'd never part with that." - not me

Some things cost more than others, some prices no one would be willing to pay, but everything is "available".

$100 for your truck
 

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I think the 2 players that have value in a trade scenario is Cooper and Zeke. I think Dallas could trade both Coop and Zeke for a 1st and 3rd.

Face it, running backs are a dime a dozen in todays NFL. The year that Zeke was drafted, I wanted Dallas to trade back with the Ravens and then draft either OT draft Ronnie Stanly or Tunsil or D-linemen DeForest Buckner. The game is won in the trenches. If I remember correctly the ravens also offered a 2nd. Which Dallas could have used for Derrick Henry whom I thought was a stud. Everyone in the old Cowboys forum thought I was insane for not wanting Zeke or Ramsey.

https://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore...mpted-to-trade-into-top-five-for-jalen-ramsey
 
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The Cowboys organization is in a state of change, after seeing the team consistently under perform this season and the defense be historically bad. That’s not all a bad thing.

During the Garrett years the team mired in mediocrity. We usually beat bad teams and lost to teams over .500. There were exceptions, of course.

MM comes along, and we start making a few changes. On the other hand, MM’s player shopping spree was limited mostly to the bargain bin, due to the checkbook being mostly empty after Jerry paid Tank, Jaylon, Zeke and others.

Where we are now is we can either go searching for a QB (which is anything but an exact science) or probably over pay a little to keep Dak. Which way we go will depend on Dak. Dak may have this team over a barrel, but at some point, you have to take the barrel.

The fact that Dak tried to take the deal we had on the table tells you that Jerry offered enough money that Dak should have taken it. Dak just waited too long to take it.

Herschell Walker was moved for picks back in the day. That trade—giving up the franchise’s best player—turned this team around and took us from the worst team in the league to three (and should have been 4) Super Bowls.

I see posters saying we should be trading Amari because our defense is so bad. That really makes no sense. What does make sense is parting with Amari for the right price. It would be better to do it in another year or so, due to dead money, but if you get an offer that makes your team better you do the deal now.

This team is going to have some significant challenges if they pay Dak, and I think they will. Oddly enough Dak may have more leverage after he was injured than before, on the other hand he also has the reality that the next play could be his last in the fore front of his mind. I think we will get Dak signed and I think Dak will, oddly enough, be more reasonable than pre injury.

My prediction with Dak is we will sign him, and we will over pay somewhat to keep him. On the other hand, if Dak gives us the barrel, Jerry may take the barrel. It is in all parties’ interest to get something done.

I think you will see this team turn around pretty quickly. Sooner than you think. We have some really good players and a really bad culture here. Garrett would have waited until the season was over to make a move. MM shipped out 3 starters on defense this week. We haven’t seen anything like that since Jimmy Johnson.

Every player should be “on the trading block” for the right price. That’s how bad teams get better.

Young players are hungry players. Hungry players tend to over perform their ability. Let’s let these young guys get some experience and give the coaches a chance to evaluate them. Churn the roster. Poach practice squad guys when possible.

If you approach the roster dispassionately you tend to make better decisions. Do you want a feel good story, or a winner? I’ll take the winner every time.

The one thing that does concern me is that we have had guys on this board clammoring to replace Worley and Poe for weeks. Why it took the Cowboys so long to move on from them (by not giving other players more snaps) is beyond me.

Cavanaugh had a video on Monday calling for this stuff, looks like he was prophetic to some degree:

 

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Although I like Dak, I do not believe the Cowboys should overpay for him. I hope both sides come to the table and sign a deal that allows the Cowboys to field a team with quality players at every position. This will take some reasonableness from Dak to help make this happen.

And, I believe a young team should be built around Gallup, Lamb, Diggs, and Martin.
 

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In order for things to get better, Jerry needs to step down as GM and hire a qualified one. Allow that GM to evaluate everything from Mike McCarthy, Dak and other aspects of the organization in order to move in the right direction. It may result in terminating Mike and using the franchise tag on Prescott or letting him walk.

Going forward this team needs an effective and new direction. Since 1994, Jerry’s method is not working due to the organization’s awful outcomes that repeats over time which is insanity.
 

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Dak definitely overplayed his hand and there is rumor the cap will be going down and not up because of the pandemic.

They gotta cut some salaries.
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My question is after they cut the cap, how will the franchise tag be effected? I would think they will have to do something to reduce the tag number if the cap is cut. & I have no idea how a cap cut will effect all salaries. Will every player salary just get reduced by a percentage? Will the players strike if this happens? I don't know.... Is it legal to reduce salaries in a pandemic and cap cut year?
 
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