Who are we competing with?

dckid

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Some feel Fields may be the better pick, more like Mahomes and Murray.

My concern with not extending Prescott has always been if not him, then who? These Bozos wanted Lynch and Cook, don't trust them without a no brainer like Aikman.

If the Cowboys had a shot at either of these two QB's, I would take them over Prescott, I think they're both better now. Lance I am not so sure about, I haven't seen him play much.

However, none of this changes the fact that a team must be built around them, just like they've had at Clemson with the best RB and D in college and OSU with some high end D talent and RB's as well. The Skins made a mistake with Haskins because of the team he was on.
I love this conversation we are having. My fear with Prescott is I think we already got the best we will get out of him.
Think about it, the first 4 years we were basically paying him 1 million a year and we had two playoff appearances. Even this franchise tag @31 is still ok because I can say over 5 years his salary is 7 per year.
The problem is the next contract that we have to pay him @40 per year will be a horrific mistake. He will have to win a couple of SB's to justify it, and even Jerry knows that will not happen.
Even if we miss at the #2 pick it will be less costly than Dak @ 40 per year winning 6-8 games.
 

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It is simple. Some fans, and they are fans, have decided losing to win beats drafting where the Cowboys have been drafting because that hasn't worked out or we wouldn't be discussing what constitutes a fan.

I happen to disagree with the idea that they have become better at drafting. These people need all the help they can get. At least if they have a stud QB, that gives them a chance.

Besides that, from a selfish standpoint, I would rather watch Lawrence or Fields play than Prescott. Like I'd rather watch Burrow, Herbert, Murray or Tua.
Agree agree agree. What would we give to have a talent like Murray, Wilson, Herbert, Burrow leading this franchise.
These guys can potentially carry an organization.
Imagine if the Cowboys had done what the Cardinals did? The draft a top 10 QB, and then the following year draft Murray @1 overall. Our fanbase would lose their minds but they had the courage of their convictions.
Murray is head and shoulders better than Rosen. It's ok to be wrong, but admit you made a mistake there is no harm in admitting it and moving.
Don't throw good money after bad. Move on from Dak. This injuy this season changed they dynamic.
I have never been more sure that we need to draft a QB in this years draft and not waste it on Dak.
 

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Hey dckid, we have our franchise QB. He ain't going anywhere. Don't like it? Go root for the Jets.
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I think the Cowboys have won too many to "Endeavor for Trevor."

But, you could still "Drop the yields for Fields" or "Surrender like France for Lance"

Whatever tickles your pickle. I'd be surprised if Dallas was higher than 3. I'd almost bet on them picking 4th overall.
 

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The issue is your very serial and 0 &1 approach to this discussion. Like everything in life there is nuance.
This Cowboy team winning 5 or 6 games will get us nothing. Why would a Cowboys fan want to have a false sense of hope when even if Dak is signed at 40 million a year we win 7 or 8 games. The oline is injured and aging, the def line, LB, secondary are in shambles.
Clear the cap, get assets, draft a rookie QB give yourself a chance to really get better.
If we use your logic, which is to root for the Cowboys to lose in order to get better draft picks, what happens next year or the year after that or the year after that if doesn't work out? Do you just continue to root for the Cowboys to lose year after year? There are plenty of examples of teams with high draft picks that are chronic losers. What if you're a Jets fan, Jacksonville or a Washington fan that has the same thought as you do? According to you, those fans should have been rooting against their team for several years in a row now.

Rooting against the Cowboys because it's better in the long run is flawed logic at best. I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to sit down every off season and evaluate whether I am going to root for the Cowboys to win or if I am going to root for the Cowboys to lose.
 

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Like!
(Still don’t know how to “like” a post, so forgive me.)

a lot of fair weather fans in this base, you don’t root against and you continue to watch. No matter how painful it is.
Just for Liking BotchedLobotomy's post, we're not going to tell you.

They're not fair weather fans, fair weather fans would already be gone.
 
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If we use your logic, which is to root for the Cowboys to lose in order to get better draft picks, what happens next year or the year after that or the year after that if doesn't work out? Do you just continue to root for the Cowboys to lose year after year? There are plenty of examples of teams with high draft picks that are chronic losers. What if you're a Jets fan, Jacksonville or a Washington fan that has the same thought as you do? According to you, those fans should have been rooting against their team for several years in a row now.

Rooting against the Cowboys because it's better in the long run is flawed logic at best. I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to sit down every off season and evaluate whether I am going to root for the Cowboys to win or if I am going to root for the Cowboys to lose.
BL, that is exactly where the management of this team has put many fans.

In the last two games, they quit. Is that the kind of team you root for? I don't,
 

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Never root for them to lose but come on, the only sure win would be the bungles and don't see them winning that game in cincy and with us going with a rookie QB.
 

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If we use your logic, which is to root for the Cowboys to lose in order to get better draft picks, what happens next year or the year after that or the year after that if doesn't work out? Do you just continue to root for the Cowboys to lose year after year? There are plenty of examples of teams with high draft picks that are chronic losers. What if you're a Jets fan, Jacksonville or a Washington fan that has the same thought as you do? According to you, those fans should have been rooting against their team for several years in a row now.

Rooting against the Cowboys because it's better in the long run is flawed logic at best. I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to sit down every off season and evaluate whether I am going to root for the Cowboys to win or if I am going to root for the Cowboys to lose.
Yes we know 1+1 equals 2. Stop being so simpleminded.
Jacksonville was one BS dead ball play away from a Super Bowl. Did you forget the fumble the Myles Jack was running back for a score?
How many start and stops have you seen from this franchise in the past 25 years?
If your goal is after 25 years to win 7 games, all the power to you. I for one am tired of being mediocre. We should be lucky to have the opportunity to draft a franchise guy and avoid paying Dak 40 million plus.
Dude don't just get stuck on your side of the argument and choose to die on this simplistic.. I cant see them lose on Sunday hill.
It is a very plain minded viewpoint. What is better for the franchise for the next 5-8 years? Dak @ 40 plus or a mini reset, potentially draft the franchise QB and build from there.
There is such thing as opportunity cost here. We can avoid paying a good player franchise money, don't blow it.
Dont beome the Ravens after Flacco, dont become the Vikes,
 

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I think the Cowboys have won too many to "Endeavor for Trevor."

But, you could still "Drop the yields for Fields" or "Surrender like France for Lance"

Whatever tickles your pickle. I'd be surprised if Dallas was higher than 3. I'd almost bet on them picking 4th overall.


Win never for Trevor.
 

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hahaha.
We are so pathetic... I still have the 3 SB's I saw... That is how I go about rooting for this team every year.
Even my 13 and 9 year old barely believe the Cowboys were a relevant franchise at one time.
They haven't won a lick in 25 years. Keep kissing Jerry's feet and talk about the Emperors new clothes.
You are delusional. We are functionally equivalent to the Lions.
All I said was that we already have a QB. Then you went on a rant about Jerry which I agree with you on. You’re not making any sense.
 

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Just for Liking BotchedLobotomy's post, we're not going to tell you.

They're not fair weather fans, fair weather fans would already be gone.

Lol. No worries, I’ll continue to post “like”

Buddies already throwing in the towel and talking about beating out (losing) to get a high pick next year. He’s already gone.
 

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It is called delayed gratification. I would rather have a couple years of bad, for a longer term chance of great. Some people want immediate satisfaction, like a win next Sunday for a team that isn't going to the playoffs. I'd rather put off the immediate pleasure for even greater future success.

With this defense, and this offensive line with the GM/Owner, we are not winning this season. The best chance we have is McCarthy is given a chance to dump the garbage Jerruh / Garrett collected, build a winning team, and to do so with higher draft picks. Sure, it isn't as fun this weekend, but hopefully in the future we can field a team capable of winning it all.

Honestly, I see this as a good chance to build a winning team. If McCarthy came here and went 8-8 like Garret, we would tweak a couple positions, Jerry would tell everyone he built the greatest team since 1992 and the process of average would continue even though the team has flaws and needs an overhaul.
 

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The amount of fake fans rooting against this team is astounding.

The "I'm a bigger fan than you" stuff is tiresome.

Wanting to improve over the long haul instead of just the next game isn't not being a fan, it's just having a different time horizon.

A good team doesn't play just for the next game. I want the players to always play hard, and the coaching staff to manage the team for the long haul.
 

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The "I'm a bigger fan than you" stuff is tiresome.

Wanting to improve over the long haul instead of just the next game isn't not being a fan, it's just having a different time horizon.

A good team doesn't play just for the next game. I want the players to always play hard, and the coaching staff to manage the team for the long haul.
Agree 100%
 
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