Derek Eagleton On Zeke/O-Line

Thomas82 said:

There's no disputing that first part.I was with him until he said Barry Sanders had a bad O-line. That line was nowhere near as bad as people made it out to be.

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Derek stick-it-up-jjs *** eagleton.

Thomas82 said:

There's no disputing that first part.I was with him until he said Barry Sanders had a bad O-line. That line was nowhere near as bad as people made it out to be.

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Not this bad for sure.

Barry would be pulling grass out of his mask every play here. No comparison to the 90's and 2020 football.

No one fears that overrated bum anymore. Never seen a player fall off a cliff so fast.

MikeB80 said:

It wasn't though. I don't worry about those interceptions as much as most people. Romo was in charge of a team playing to win throwing the ball and in a division with excellent defenses for years.

07 Romo was fantastic, 2011 Romo was great and 2014 Romo was great.

To me what Romo did in 09 was his best season. No one knew what was going to happen that year and he had a really odd situation where Roy Williams was supposed to be this number 1 guy and it was painfully obvious he was not. It took the team a few weeks to adjust in the style of play of all verticals and throwing so much plus marion barber got banged up in week 2 vs the giants.

He made some plays that year that were his best. It ended up on him and he managed it and then the defense played great after the chargers game they blew late.

That team was excellent and just had the misfortune of going to Minnesota which had not lost at home in over a year. Dallas tackles could not hold up in that environment and they ended up blown out.

14 I believe on paper might be his best year but to me 09 Romo was great. In 14 Romo finally had the complimentary element of a real running game but I will always view 07 and 09 higher.

also yards mean absolutely nothing in 2020 in the nfl. Go check Ryan Fitzpatrick's numbers in Miami.

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To each his own.. but the 2009 team rushed for 2103 yards and 14 TDs. That seems like a pretty good running game. Roughly 20 fewer yards per game than the 2014 team and 2 less TDs on the year. Seems pretty comparable.. I just feel like Romo's command and ability to control the game with his mind was at its peak in 2014. Just the fact that he had the good sense to hand the ball off 500 times says it as much as anything! LOL! In prior years there was no way you were going to stop Romo from audibling out of 10-15 running plays a game.

BHendri5 said:

Man please!! Barry didn’t get all those yards by himself. His style made his O line look worse than it was.

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Say it loud for the folks in the cheap seats!!

stasheroo said:

I don't believe that's true.

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I do. Zeke was their highest pick in the last what 25 years?
Once they decided to draft a RB they were married to him for a good while.
I was absolutely shocked they selected Zeke at 4 after showing they felt RB was basically with safety and DT in value but someone convinced them Zeke was the next Emmitt and they caved.

They certainly could have not signed him but they would have ensured a protracted hold out that potentially laid a season of failure at the front office's feet.
And made the 4 overall pick an epic bust of Mo Claiborne proportions.

Picking him at 4 meant you are open to paying him franchise RB money.
Same as the Giants with Barkley.
Will be interesting to see if they extend him in the off-season having just now had ACL surgery or wait til his final season and run out of room for the extension cash to be spread out.

stasheroo said:

While running Zeke over along the way.

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If Dak is QB he makes the block easy . . . No Dak No effort

jterrell said:

I do. Zeke was their highest pick in the last what 25 years?
Once they decided to draft a RB they were married to him for a good while.
I was absolutely shocked they selected Zeke at 4 after showing they felt RB was basically with safety and DT in value but someone convinced them Zeke was the next Emmitt and they caved.

They certainly could have not signed him but they would have ensured a protracted hold out that potentially laid a season of failure at the front office's feet.
And made the 4 overall pick an epic bust of Mo Claiborne proportions.

Picking him at 4 meant you are open to paying him franchise RB money.
Same as the Giants with Barkley.
Will be interesting to see if they extend him in the off-season having just now had ACL surgery or wait til his final season and run out of room for the extension cash to be spread out.

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They picked him 4th because they were trying to win a Super Bowl . . . with Romo . 4th over all pick on a RB with Dak. . . beyond stupid decision

Barry Sanders could make a guy miss in a phone booth and would have great highlight film every game he played but couldnt punch the ball in for a TD from 3 yards away. He was great RB but for some reason he was a terrible goal line back. I think he lacked the vision to find a crease and power his was up into it. He was one of the best RBs until you got to the 5 yard line then forget it.

first off I agree Jerry shouldn't have paid him, however he was paid and if I am jerry jones I'm livid. He got paid partially because he posseses multiple skills aside from running the ball. So yes, the oline is not great and maybe there is limited room for yards but if he's such a great back he should be able to get 2-3 tough yards without fumbling. That has nothing to do with the oline. Also he is known for being a good pass protector so getting blown up in the backfield has nothing to do with the oline. He is supposed to be able to catch passes so even when the cowboys are down he can still be on the field and contribute without running by catching out of the backfield but yet he has drops that has nothing to do with the oline. So while I don't expect him to crank out 150yards on the ground. It would be nice to be able to get 75 dirty yards, with 25 carries, elite pass protection and another 40 yards in the air. That is what you do to lead your team. Dalton can't throw downfield with ease like Dak. Zeke should be having a field day but no.

You can find Zeke production in the third round and for a lot less, he's already turned the corner.

This is a passing team with Dak now...everyone saw what we can do in the air. We just need a couple of good young backs, don't need Zeke @20/mill.

Build the Defense with every resource

Rockport said:

Don't say "our". That's "your" hopes, not mine.

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K... My hopes went down with Dak. Especially after watching Dalton flounder around and then take a shot to the head. Unless The Nooch has something going on like Romo did.

glimmerman said:

K... My hopes went down with Dak. Especially after watching Dalton flounder around and then take a shot to the head. Unless The Nooch has something going on like Romo did.

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I haven’t given up on Dalton. Just about any backup QB that comes in is going to struggle initially especially behind such a porous offensive line. Martin coming back will help. We win Sunday night and we’re in 1st place.

Rockport said:

I haven’t given up on Dalton. Just about any backup QB that comes in is going to struggle initially especially behind such a porous offensive line. Martin coming back will help. We win Sunday night and we’re in 1st place.

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Crazy isn’t it.

Jipper said:

Zeke is still a great player but he’s his own worst enemy right now and needs to get his head on straight

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…..you meant that semblance of an OL, as the worst enemy, right? There ain't one RB that could get yardage on a consistent basis with the current OL.....not one......not even Pollard despite the glimpses. And add the playbook in the mix......we should be playing on Saturdays, instead of Sundays......in the Big 12.

Portnoy1 said:

first off I agree Jerry shouldn't have paid him, however he was paid and if I am jerry jones I'm livid. He got paid partially because he posseses multiple skills aside from running the ball. So yes, the oline is not great and maybe there is limited room for yards but if he's such a great back he should be able to get 2-3 tough yards without fumbling. That has nothing to do with the oline. Also he is known for being a good pass protector so getting blown up in the backfield has nothing to do with the oline. He is supposed to be able to catch passes so even when the cowboys are down he can still be on the field and contribute without running by catching out of the backfield but yet he has drops that has nothing to do with the oline. So while I don't expect him to crank out 150yards on the ground. It would be nice to be able to get 75 dirty yards, with 25 carries, elite pass protection and another 40 yards in the air. That is what you do to lead your team. Dalton can't throw downfield with ease like Dak. Zeke should be having a field day but no.

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Which game this year have we been in a position to hand Zeke the ball 25 times? I was fine with Zeke getting paid as long as we used him commensurate with his salary. As in getting off the bus with 20 carries and 5 catches a game. Since Moore has taken over there is absolutely no denying the offensive philosophy has shifted back to circa 2011-2012 under Garrett. Throw it throw it and if that doesn't work throw it some more. The running plays are garbage. 90% of them are right behind the center or either guard and to top it off they come out of shotgun so the guy who is getting almost no blocking also gets no running start to hit the line of scrimmage. The same may be said of how he is used as a pass catcher. He has demonstrated on several occasions that he is a good down the field threat as a receiver but all we do is screen, dumpoffs and swing passes. That's not how you use a back who is a good receiver. I will not defend his fumbles nor the drops, though a number of them have been placed in crappy position to be caught. Especially the swing pass. It's easily the worst pass in Dak's arsenal as it's almost never just an easy catch. Dalton hasn't been much better with it. But we have become a modern day Air Coryell under Moore. I am in full agreement that if that's the way we were going to play we should not have paid Zeke and we should go ahead and trade or release him as soon as the cap hit will allow. Playing this style we won't get a fraction of our money's worth anyway.

glimmerman said:

K... My hopes went down with Dak. Especially after watching Dalton flounder around and then take a shot to the head. Unless The Nooch has something going on like Romo did.

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Me as well. That makes two of us at least. Feel free to use "our." Would be awesome to see a little magic from Nooch.

Dereks short memory 3b

Thomas82 said:

There's no disputing that first part.I was with him until he said Barry Sanders had a bad O-line. That line was nowhere near as bad as people made it out to be.

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Unless Derek is referring to hall of famers...saquon Barkley would qualify as a great back behind a bad oline especially when
I believe he eventually fell second to Zeke in 2016 as 2nd leading rusher ....