Cowboys Results with Dak if Defense is Average

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I don’t think @xwalker is suggesting an all world defense is needed (although that would be nice) he is just suggesting with Dak, an average defense might be more than enough to win a SB.

I feel like we’ve played average defense..

In today’s NFL eventually you will come against a guy that you just won’t have an answer for.

You need that guy on your team and not try to build those utopian football team that just conquers all.

The 9ers had that very thing last year. Mahomes is just better than the #1 defense.

These QBs that run around all day will beat teams like us more times then not. We need a overcomer at the QB position.

Not a guy that is greedy and just wants to be paid.
 

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I feel like we’ve played average defense..

In today’s NFL eventually you will come against a guy that you just won’t have an answer for.

You need that guy on your team and not try to build those utopian football team that just conquers all.

The 9ers had that very thing last year. Mahomes is just better than the #1 defense.

These QBs that run around all day will beat teams like us more times then not. We need a overcomer at the QB position.

Not a guy that is greedy and just wants to be paid.
How you “feel” about it isn’t as important as reality. We haven’t had a really good defense in years. The bend but don’t break defenses were bottom third defenses.
 

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I feel like we’ve played average defense..

In today’s NFL eventually you will come against a guy that you just won’t have an answer for.

You need that guy on your team and not try to build those utopian football team that just conquers all.

The 9ers had that very thing last year. Mahomes is just better than the #1 defense.

These QBs that run around all day will beat teams like us more times then not. We need a overcomer at the QB position.

Not a guy that is greedy and just wants to be paid.


We haven’t.

Cowboys defense gave up 30 points each time Dak lost in the playoffs.

in two playoff games in 2018 the defense forced Zero turnovers.


Last season the cowboys defense was bottom 5 in forced turnovers which aside from points allowed is the most important defensive metric.


Cowboys defense hasn’t been average.

if the cowboys defense forces middle of the pack turnovers last season the cowboys probably go around 11-5 maybe 12-4.

that’s how much the lack of turnovers hurt.
 

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People who don't understand football (or logic) acting the expert again...:facepalm:
 

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We haven’t.

Cowboys defense gave up 30 points each time Dak lost in the playoffs.

in two playoff games in 2018 the defense forced Zero turnovers.


Last season the cowboys defense was bottom 5 in forced turnovers which aside from points allowed is the most important defensive metric.


Cowboys defense hasn’t been average.

if the cowboys defense forces middle of the pack turnovers last season the cowboys probably go around 11-5 maybe 12-4.

that’s how much the lack of turnovers hurt.

If the defense has a poor game Dak needs to step up sometimes.

We can’t say we’ll the defense was bad in the playoffs so that’s that.

If it’s a consistent issue fine.. But we will get in games where things aren’t going perfect and elite guys find ways at times. Especially in playoff moments..

Brady was down a lot against the Falcons in the Super Bowl.. He had to overcome..

Mahomes was down a couple of times last post season.

Dak wants money like them he needs to put out an effort like them.

I can replace Dak with a guy who will win or lose based on how the rest of the team plays.
 

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We were 11th in points allowed last year..

I believe we were top 5 the year before.

We’ve never just had a terrible defense. Terrible at taking the ball away? Sure.. But we’ve been really good at not giving up big plays..


Regardless of all that it doesn’t matter.. This is about Dak.. Sure he will be great if we provide him with an all world supporting cast.. But he has to overcome things for the money he wants. He can’t just keep doing what he has been doing. He needs to be an enforcer on the field and not a high end bus driver.

Last year was with Garrett as the Head Coach and he limited the offense with his input.

Cowboys Without Garrett & Dak at QB:
- Passing Yards: 1st
- Points Scored: 2nd

Giants with Garrett:
- Passing Yards: 31st
- Points Scored: 31st

Yes, the Cowboys defense from previous years would be good enough to have won all games this season that Dak played.
 

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Last year was with Garrett as the Head Coach and he limited the offense with his input.

Cowboys Without Garrett & Dak at QB:
- Passing Yards: 1st
- Points Scored: 2nd

Giants with Garrett:
- Passing Yards: 31st
- Points Scored: 31st

Yes, the Cowboys defense from previous years would be good enough to have won all games this season that Dak played.


Xwalker.. I’m actually shocked to see you hyping up an offense that did it’s damage against some of the worst pass defenses in the NFL when down multiple scores

Dak has 4 picks and 2 or 3 fumbles.

The offense WAS a problem this year too. We just called them heroes at the end of the game when bad pass defenses had called off the dogs and we were in hurry up mode.

The offense against the Giants and Rams was nothing special in normal circumstances against defenses that aren’t completely terrible like the Seahawks, Falcons, and Browns.
 

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If the defense has a poor game Dak needs to step up sometimes.

We can’t say we’ll the defense was bad in the playoffs so that’s that.

If it’s a consistent issue fine.. But we will get in games where things aren’t going perfect and elite guys find ways at times. Especially in playoff moments..

Brady was down a lot against the Falcons in the Super Bowl.. He had to overcome..

Mahomes was down a couple of times last post season.

Dak wants money like them he needs to put out an effort like them.

I can replace Dak with a guy who will win or lose based on how the rest of the team plays.

All this "They Cowboys would have won all games when Dak was the QB if the defense had just been league average." is built on a house of cards.
We don't know what would have happened. Maybe the other team plays tighter defense allowing us less points. I mean, the other team does have a say in how they play as well. It not like wew get to change everything we want and they don't.

Its all a wish and a dream to say what would have, should have, could have happened.
It didn't and we know that for a fact.
 

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This genius narrative is brought to you by the guy who said Cameron Erving helped the chiefs win a super bowl last year.
 

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I am beginning to wonder if there is a Cowboy fan out there that can discuss this team without using words like, could have, would have or should have to make the team sound better then they really are. Face it, this team has stunk since 1996 no matter who was playing QB.
The only option is simple. For once you finally blow the team up, draft one of the top 5 QB's out of next years draft. Rebuild the defense by the money you dont pay Dak and maybe in 2-3 years we will have a team good enough to at least take the field every Sunday and make a respectable game out of it.
This. Dak hasn’t done much even when our defense was average or above average. He’s a great bus driver and game manager and leader but he’s not elite.
 

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They Cowboys would have won all games when Dak was the QB if the defense had just been league average.

Instead, the defense is currently dead last in points allowed and rushing yards allowed:

Points Allowed:
Cowboys: 243
Ravens: 104

Rushing Yards Allowed:
Cowboys: 1248
Steelers: 413

Side Note: Remember the "Rushing does not correlate to winning" arguments...

I don't think anyone has said, "Running doesn't correlate to winning.". The argument is "Correlation doesn't equal causation."
 

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People who don't understand football (or logic) acting the expert again...:facepalm:
The Cowboys should sign some policemen. They'll risk their lives for $1.98 an hour and they have great character.
 

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I don't think anyone has said, "Running doesn't correlate to winning.". The argument is "Correlation doesn't equal causation."
No, the phase that running or rushing does not correlate to winning was repeated ad nauseam. It was a constant topic a few years ago.

What that crowd completely failed to consider was the relationship of rushing and passing.

Defenses will adjust to limit rushing or in the Cowboys case they'll to adjust...

That means that a defense can face two offenses and hold both the same number of rushing yards but in one game they play 8 men in the box on all snaps and in the other game they never play 8 in the box.
- The offense that forces the defense to play 8 in the box had an advantage in the passing game.

If someone were only looking at rushing yards, then they would never distinguish between those two situations.

Both this season and last many of the Cowboys fails in pass defense have been directly attributable to having to move players up in an attempt to stop the run while weakening the pass defense.

This season when they've tried to play Nolan's preferred 2-deep Safety coverages, they've often been in a situation similar to LBs in play action where a Safety would start cheating up against the run and then the offense would go deep leaving CBs with no help.

Last season they often played the SS up within 1 yard of the line but he still have coverage responsibilities. They managed with Heath doing that because he had the speed to get back in coverage but when he was out for multiple games it got really ugly because his replacement didn't have the speed to play that style and had to play 5 or more yards deeper than Heath played which just made the run defense worse.

The Cleveland Browns are 5-2 this season coming into this week because they've been a brick wall in run defense.
 

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If the defense has a poor game Dak needs to step up sometimes.

We can’t say we’ll the defense was bad in the playoffs so that’s that.

If it’s a consistent issue fine.. But we will get in games where things aren’t going perfect and elite guys find ways at times. Especially in playoff moments..

Brady was down a lot against the Falcons in the Super Bowl.. He had to overcome..

Mahomes was down a couple of times last post season.

Dak wants money like them he needs to put out an effort like them.

I can replace Dak with a guy who will win or lose based on how the rest of the team plays.



the defense needs to play their part. New England’s forced turnovers against the falcons to aid the comeback.

funny how that’s left out. But nah. Brady did it alone

they also only allowed 28 points. If they allowed 30 and got no turnovers. Patriots lose that game.
Instead they got a huge second half turnover to help the comeback.

also 7 of the falcons 28 points was from a NE turnover. An interception the falcons returned for a TD.

the patriots defense gave up 21 points and forced a turnover against one of the best offenses in the league in that Super Bowl.


Your example is horrible actually. That patriots/falcons super bowl is not an example of a QB carrying his team to a win with below average defensive play.
 
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They Cowboys would have won all games when Dak was the QB if the defense had just been league average.

Instead, the defense is currently dead last in points allowed and rushing yards allowed:

Points Allowed:
Cowboys: 243
Ravens: 104

Rushing Yards Allowed:
Cowboys: 1248
Steelers: 413

Side Note: Remember the "Rushing does not correlate to winning" arguments...
The Cowboys surely would have won more, but you can't assume that everything that happened other than the plays that hurt us would have still happened. Everything the defense did better in the new timeline would've been causal to a different reaction, and most likely a different result. At least some of those games simply would have been lost another way.
 

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I wasn’t aware of how much the QBs salary impacted the teams chances at that time. Had I been of course I’d be against it.

Im a Cowboy fan and I want championships.. Nothing about paying Dak and what I’ve seen from him on the field gives me any reason to believe he gets us to a championship. I believe it just firmly locks us into mediocrity.

It’s all about roster management. The way this roster has been managed, it doesn’t matter if Dak is making 100 thousands or 100 million. Instead of paying your QB and trying to save money at other positions—-Dallas chooses to pay a premium at QB, RB, WR and OL and then we wonder why the defense is so bad.

If a team can consistently hit on draft picks, it doesn’t matter how much the QB is being paid.

You mention Wilson as someone you should pay but that team has been as mediocre as the Cowboys under Dak over the last several seasons while he was being paid. They had to rebuild their roster and drafted impactful players that stay in the field.

Cowboys just completely blew Dak’s rookie contract. An utter embarrassment by this organization to not be more aggressive to manipulate a balanced roster centered around a rookie QB contract. It doesn’t matter what the QB Is paid here until we learn to balance out the way we spend money on this roster.
 

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They Cowboys would have won all games when Dak was the QB if the defense had just been league average.

Instead, the defense is currently dead last in points allowed and rushing yards allowed:

Points Allowed:
Cowboys: 243
Ravens: 104

Rushing Yards Allowed:
Cowboys: 1248
Steelers: 413

Side Note: Remember the "Rushing does not correlate to winning" arguments...
Without zeke fumbles probably true
He cost us one game
 
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