Derek Eagleton On Zeke/O-Line

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Brown and Kevin Glover made pro bowls because of Barry.

they played together for 4(!) years before Barry got there, and here are their team rushing ranks:

1985: Att:18 Yards:26 RushTDs:20 YPC:28
1986: Att:16 Yards:15 RushTDs:16 YPC:19
1987: Att:25 Yards:25 RushTDs:23 YPC:24
1988: Att:26 Yards:27 RushTDs:28 YPC:28


they were known as one of the worst lines in the whole NFL, no redeeming qualities. Suddenly Barry shows up and a couple of them are making perennial pro bowls.

blocking for eric hipple and james jones won't win you any accolades.
 
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His funk is he was always over rated because the O line. Unfortunately Jerry never realized it and most people here didn’t either.
Didn't they same about Emmitt....only got yards because of the O Line. Outside of Barry Sanders....I ain't never seen a RB get yardage with a bad OL.
 

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Didn't they same about Emmitt....only got yards because of the O Line. Outside of Barry Sanders....I ain't never seen a RB get yardage with a bad OL.
Hey Cmac, glad you showed up. So who’s fault is it this week?

zeke had a whopping 3.3 ypc in a huge divisional game, why is he paying being paid as the 2nd highest RB?
 

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Hey Cmac, glad you showed up. So who’s fault is it this week?

zeke had a whopping 3.3 ypc in a huge divisional game, why is he paying being paid as the 2nd highest RB?
Can we simply assess....it was a loss from a team that has problems with OL, gadget play Coordinator, deficiency in the QB (no offense to Nooch)? or you want to put in all on Zeke, when WR play is impacted by such, also, as an indicator? There's more wrong that just Zeke, that's all. Can't dispute his miscues when they happen, but you seem to reached for something further, when he doesn't have miscues.

Pockets again?.....Does Zeke owe you money?....We already know you don't like him personally....Do you know him personally, to dislike him personally? Just sayin'....and Much love.
 

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Can we simply assess....it was a loss from a team that has problems with OL, gadget play Coordinator, deficiency in the QB (no offense to Nooch)? or you want to put in all on Zeke, when WR play is impacted by such, also, as an indicator? There's more wrong that just Zeke, that's all. Can't dispute his miscues when they happen, but you seem to reached for something further, when he doesn't have miscues.

Pockets again?.....Does Zeke owe you money?....We already know you don't like him personally....Do you know him personally, to dislike him personally? Just sayin'....and Much love.
They all suck, I get it, but to my knowledge only one of them held out with TWO years left on their contract and held the entire team hostage with his demands to be paid as the highest for his position and refused to play until he was paid as such.

To my knowledge there’s only one of those that said “put respect by my name.”

I’m still waiting for that ONE player to earn his respect and the paycheck he demanded.

This has nothing to do with MY money, are you not familiar with the salary cap? Do I need to tell you about how one players salary effects the entire team?
 

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They all suck, I get it, but to my knowledge only one of them held out with TWO years left on their contract and held the entire team hostage with his demands to be paid as the highest for his position and refused to play until he was paid as such.

To my knowledge there’s only one of those that said “put respect by my name.”

I’m still waiting for that ONE player to earn his respect and the paycheck he demanded.

This has nothing to do with MY money, are you not familiar with the salary cap? Do I need to tell you about how one players salary effects the entire team?
…..then shouldn't you be blaming our Owner/GM/Coach/ known as JJ......I ain't about the turn down more money from my boss.....I'm underpaid right now.....it can't hold out in my profession....but I ain't removing myself from negotiating my worth.
 

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…..then shouldn't you be blaming our Owner/GM/Coach/ known as JJ......I ain't about the turn down more money from my boss.....I'm underpaid right now.....it can't hold out in my profession....but I ain't removing myself from negotiating my worth.
Oh, for sure. JJ is the ultimate responsibility and I can’t stand him but he’s not going anywhere and he’s the one making the decisions. This is a sports forum about a team we all love, there’s going to be a lot of criticism after 25 years of failure and mediocrity. Throw in a worthless diva who demands respect along with a fat pay check and refuses to honor his contract with an unprecedented TWO year left on his contract until he his paid as the highest for his position then he damn well deserves every but of criticism and some.

I’m also a competitive person and have played sports for a good portion of my life. I don’t like losing a coin flip. Divas like zeke have no pride or passion, you can tell. That cat has been an entitled brat his entire life and has never faced adversity. From what we’ve seen, any time he has faced adversity he crumbles like a poorly made piece of corn bread (just made that up but if you’ve ever had poorly made corn bread then you would know what I’m talking about :)).
 

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Oh, for sure. JJ is the ultimate responsibility and I can’t stand him but he’s not going anywhere and he’s the one making the decisions. This is a sports forum about a team we all love, there’s going to be a lot of criticism after 25 years of failure and mediocrity. Throw in a worthless diva who demands respect along with a fat pay check and refuses to honor his contract with an unprecedented TWO year left on his contract until he his paid as the highest for his position then he damn well deserves every but of criticism and some.

I’m also a competitive person and have played sports for a good portion of my life. I don’t like losing a coin flip. Divas like zeke have no pride or passion, you can tell. That cat has been an entitled brat his entire life and has never faced adversity. From what we’ve seen, any time he has faced adversity he crumbles like a poorly made piece of corn bread (just made that up but if you’ve ever had poorly made corn bread then you would know what I’m talking about :)).
Dez had passion that got called a cancer. As for crumbling around adversity....TRomo come to mind in big games....I don't get it, other than you don't like Zeke personally....and can't find one bad thing about a JWitt return and START, last year?
 

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Zeke has had his issues this year but he isn't nearly as bad as some are projecting. He is still pacing 1,000 yards and 10 TDs.

The fumbles were awful but it looks like he's starting to get them under control. Remember, he hasn't had fumbling issues his entire career.

The issue right now is he doesn't have any sort of consistent passing game to put pressure on opposing defenses, leading to stacked boxes and players keying in on him specifically. Some may say it is his job to make it work but they're being unrealistic. Stacked boxes plus no offensive line leads to subpar production. All day every day.

Does everyone else remember when Troy Hambrick was supposedly far superior to #22? How well did that work out when Smith left? Does anyone actually think it would be any different with Pollard, a guy who has never carried a load for his team? C'mon people, be realistic.
 

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Zeke has had his issues this year but he isn't nearly as bad as some are projecting. He is still pacing 1,000 yards and 10 TDs.

The fumbles were awful but it looks like he's starting to get them under control. Remember, he hasn't had fumbling issues his entire career.

The issue right now is he doesn't have any sort of consistent passing game to put pressure on opposing defenses, leading to stacked boxes and players keying in on him specifically. Some may say it is his job to make it work but they're being unrealistic. Stacked boxes plus no offensive line leads to subpar production. All day every day.

Does everyone else remember when Troy Hambrick was supposedly far superior to #22? How well did that work out when Smith left? Does anyone actually think it would be any different with Pollard, a guy who has never carried a load for his team? C'mon people, be realistic.

Yeah for all the talk people keep trotting out about how great Barkley is we can count the number of winning seasons he has led the Giants to on none fingers. I keep reading how he was "putting up comparable numbers to Zeke behind that horrible line in New York." Then I look.. Dude's best season was his rookie year with 1307 yards.. .. Hell Zeke outrushed him that year by 200 yards despite being held out of the final game of the season. Last year he dipped to 1003 yards in 13 games.. again finishing over 300 yards behind Zeke.. And that brings us to this season.. In his 1+ games this year without the veteran QB to at least keep defenses somewhat honest, Barkley was putting up ONE POINT EIGHT YARDS PER CARRY!!! 1.8? I mean REALLY!?!??!! It's weird how you take away any semblance of a passing threat and even great backs suffer a massive reduction in production. People really need to stop watching Barkley's highlight package and focus on reality. He's a wonderful back and I would be happy to have him on my team. But this notion that he is head and shoulders above Zeke is a pipe dream that people need to wake up from.
 

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Dez had passion that got called a cancer. As for crumbling around adversity....TRomo come to mind in big games....I don't get it, other than you don't like Zeke personally....and can't find one bad thing about a JWitt return and START, last year?
I was never a big fan of Romo, classic choke artist. I loved Dez’s passion, somewhat reminds me of myself, but he could keep it contained and it hurt the team.

Still love Witten and can’t criticize him for wanting to still play when he’s almost 40 (playing at the vet minimum) unlike an unnamed diva who looks and acts like he wants to hang up the cleats when he’s not even 26 and just demanded to be paid the highest for his position.

Thanks for the reminder.
 

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Yeah for all the talk people keep trotting out about how great Barkley is we can count the number of winning seasons he has led the Giants to on none fingers. I keep reading how he was "putting up comparable numbers to Zeke behind that horrible line in New York." Then I look.. Dude's best season was his rookie year with 1307 yards.. .. Hell Zeke outrushed him that year by 200 yards despite being held out of the final game of the season. Last year he dipped to 1003 yards in 13 games.. again finishing over 300 yards behind Zeke.. And that brings us to this season.. In his 1+ games this year without the veteran QB to at least keep defenses somewhat honest, Barkley was putting up ONE POINT EIGHT YARDS PER CARRY!!! 1.8? I mean REALLY!?!??!! It's weird how you take away any semblance of a passing threat and even great backs suffer a massive reduction in production. People really need to stop watching Barkley's highlight package and focus on reality. He's a wonderful back and I would be happy to have him on my team. But this notion that he is head and shoulders above Zeke is a pipe dream that people need to wake up from.
hate trolling Zeke seem to be the hot topic scapegoat this season more so then normal which is hard to do but its happening..insane IMO..
 

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Zeke has had his issues this year but he isn't nearly as bad as some are projecting. He is still pacing 1,000 yards and 10 TDs.

The fumbles were awful but it looks like he's starting to get them under control. Remember, he hasn't had fumbling issues his entire career.

The issue right now is he doesn't have any sort of consistent passing game to put pressure on opposing defenses, leading to stacked boxes and players keying in on him specifically. Some may say it is his job to make it work but they're being unrealistic. Stacked boxes plus no offensive line leads to subpar production. All day every day.

Does everyone else remember when Troy Hambrick was supposedly far superior to #22? How well did that work out when Smith left? Does anyone actually think it would be any different with Pollard, a guy who has never carried a load for his team? C'mon people, be realistic.
very well said:hammer:
 

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There's no disputing that first part.I was with him until he said Barry Sanders had a bad O-line. That line was nowhere near as bad as people made it out to be.


Exactly, a few pro bowl players and a hall of fame player on that line. The stories over the years get more ridiculous with Barry Sanders. Pretty soon we will hear that he played with only 8 guys on offense instead of 11. I alway love the “he would have tab for 3k behind the Dallas o-line. Barry is an all time great I just laugh at how people embellish when they don’t have to.
 

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Yeah for all the talk people keep trotting out about how great Barkley is we can count the number of winning seasons he has led the Giants to on none fingers. I keep reading how he was "putting up comparable numbers to Zeke behind that horrible line in New York." Then I look.. Dude's best season was his rookie year with 1307 yards.. .. Hell Zeke outrushed him that year by 200 yards despite being held out of the final game of the season. Last year he dipped to 1003 yards in 13 games.. again finishing over 300 yards behind Zeke.. And that brings us to this season.. In his 1+ games this year without the veteran QB to at least keep defenses somewhat honest, Barkley was putting up ONE POINT EIGHT YARDS PER CARRY!!! 1.8? I mean REALLY!?!??!! It's weird how you take away any semblance of a passing threat and even great backs suffer a massive reduction in production. People really need to stop watching Barkley's highlight package and focus on reality. He's a wonderful back and I would be happy to have him on my team. But this notion that he is head and shoulders above Zeke is a pipe dream that people need to wake up from.
Bwhahahahahahaha....look at this chode, you have to be trolling.

Let’s take Zeke’s rookie season compared to Barkley’s rookie season.

Dallas O line run blocking rank 2016- 4th
Giants O line run blocking rank 2017- 15th

Zeke 2016
Rushing yards- 1631
Receiving yards- 363
Total- 1994
ypc 5.07

Barkley 2017
Rushing yards- 1307
Receiving yards- 721
Total- 2028
ypc- 5.01

Playoffs? lol, do you think the 2016 Cowboys roster was equivalent to the 2017 Giants roster? Barkley even had more all purpose yards yet zeke “carried” his team to the playoffs and that lousy Giants team won something like 4-5 games but zeke would have done better?

That’s hilarious, you mentioned zeke missing one game in 2016 (thanks for the reminder, I honestly forgot) yet you failed to mention Barkley missing 3 (THREE) games last year and playing with a high ankle sprain most of the season.

I notice how you put 1+ games instead of two. You also failed to mention the first game of the season against Pitt when he was hit behind the LOS within something like less than a second from being handed the ball. If you even watched the game you would have known. It was MNF and probably the worst O line I’ve ever seen in my life. That O line is currently ranked dead last (32nd) in run blocking. Do you honestly think zeke would have done better? BTW, Dallas run blocking is currently ranked 10th.

Just an FYI, last year Dallas had the 2nd best run blocking line, NY had the 25th and Barkley still had a similar ypc average as zeke.

Barkley isn’t heads and shoulders above zeke is some areas (he sucks at blocking) but if he had the O line zeke has had most of his career and the same amount of carries then he would have done a lot more than zeke has. Barkley has more speed, more elusiveness and more power. Barkley is doing squats while zeke is playing video games and getting “low key faded”.

You’re a joke dude, lay off the pipe.
 

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I was never a big fan of Romo, classic choke artist. I loved Dez’s passion, somewhat reminds me of myself, but he could keep it contained and it hurt the team.

Still love Witten and can’t criticize him for wanting to still play when he’s almost 40 (playing at the vet minimum) unlike an unnamed diva who looks and acts like he wants to hang up the cleats when he’s not even 26 and just demanded to be paid the highest for his position.

Thanks for the reminder.
Got it....I think the 'Boys should have done him just like LV has done him.....you will play, but you ain't the Man no more....not be given the BFF perks he got last year. BTW, he laying down after catches like he is a WR....but never was about YAC.....and got a PASS when he went to Cabo in the midst to a playoff game. All good. You don't Zeke personally, and I don't JWitt was no more than a BFF, talent development roadblock, and stat chaser....no rings like everybody else. So we good.
 
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