Mike Greenberg predicts Dak and Zeke will be gone next year

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The 500 coaches line was common knowledge the day it all went down.. Bringing Jimmy in absolutely was Jerry's brainchild and I think they both contributed to building that team. Obviously at that point Jimmy was FAR more plugged in to all matters football than Jerry and obviously Jerry was more astute on the business side. How it came to be that getting credit for his piece of the puzzle was not enough for either man is anybody's guess but clearly ego was probably at the top of the list. I think "the old sot" was in his 50's at that time and I believe he and Jimmy are the same age so the whole "the old fool needs to stay off my field" sentiment seems misplaced. The fact of the matter is Jimmy was a little dictator who wanted control of everything in his domain and it bothered him when Jerry wanted in on it. They were inevitably going to part ways because you simply cannot have two guys in charge and when there is a dispute about who is in charge the guy who signs the checks is always going to win. Their egos got in the way plain and simple. I place equal blame on both.. But I cannot sit idly by while anybody tries to paint Jimmy as some innocent victim in all that. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Jimmy never lasted more than 5 or 6 years at any stop in his life.. Why would we expect Dallas to have been any different?

Old sot was more emphasis on sot from how I read it going down with stumbling, slurring Jerry trying to take down Jimmy a peg. My whole point is that you act like Jerry was half responsible for the success of the ego duo yet he refuses to try the successful experiment again. I’ve been a fan since 75 and used to think Landry was stubborn with his schemes but Jerry takes the cake on stubbornness and refusing to replicate success because of ego. Again I agree that Jimmy isn’t perfect and has issues but it doesn’t explain why we are heading into decade 3 and Jerry only tried it one more time. His idea of replicating it was taking old players, making them coaches despite their experience and acting like it was the 90s. I enjoy Jerry when he’s off wheeling and dealing but he will never admit that he needs a football man
 

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Old sot was more emphasis on sot from how I read it going down with stumbling, slurring Jerry trying to take down Jimmy a peg. My whole point is that you act like Jerry was half responsible for the success of the ego duo yet he refuses to try the successful experiment again. I’ve been a fan since 75 and used to think Landry was stubborn with his schemes but Jerry takes the cake on stubbornness and refusing to replicate success because of ego. Again I agree that Jimmy isn’t perfect and has issues but it doesn’t explain why we are heading into decade 3 and Jerry only tried it one more time. His idea of replicating it was taking old players, making them coaches despite their experience and acting like it was the 90s. I enjoy Jerry when he’s off wheeling and dealing but he will never admit that he needs a football man


It's mind boggling because he could blame the GM for failure and take credit for hiring him if he wins.....
 

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Or yes by all means there could be maybe 5-10 people that use it and that is plenty of people? Gee I'll bet you think those 2 Cowboys wins are a lot of wins too.
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Lmao. Jerry is not and will never do a "blow up". Just another idiot blow hard on air personality saying stuff for clicks.
 

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I overheard on the radio today a clip of Greeny saying that he think that both Dak and Zeke will be gone from the Cowboys nest year. Greeny said that he thinks that Jerry is going to blow up the team, and that, he thinks they will have now have cap space to do so.

That's all I can remember. Sorry I couldn't find a YT video to back up what Greeny said today.
I can only hope both of them goes along with DLaw , Jaylon and Cooper. None of them have lived up to their contracts.
 

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It's mind boggling because he could blame the GM for failure and take credit for hiring him if he wins.....

That’s been my argument for decades now. He hit accolades as a great owner in the 90s despite the feud. You hire a great GM and coach and win and you are getting them again. He’s HOF already. Just have fun with it vs being right
 

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I overheard on the radio today a clip of Greeny saying that he think that both Dak and Zeke will be gone from the Cowboys nest year. Greeny said that he thinks that Jerry is going to blow up the team, and that, he thinks they will have now have cap space to do so.

That's all I can remember. Sorry I couldn't find a YT video to back up what Greeny said today.
Who is Mike Greenberg? He's a NOBDOY who screwed his morning show partner with a behind a close door deal. This dude knows about as much about football as Stephen Jones does and that ain't much. Where is Zek going???? You think Jerry is going to pay him to not showing up, hell no he's not! Unfortunately, Zek will be here bright eye and bushy tail....................... Zek knows that this is the only bank in the NFL that will be open to him, all the other banks will be closed if Zek knocked on their doors.
 

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Why do you think that? What insight do you have? Please share..
Lawrence has a legitimate chance to be a better NFL QB than Dak. For starters, he's already physically more gifted than Dak. Plus he's been projected as the consensus #1 overall pick for quite awhile, which says a lot to me personally. Dak is a good, solid, NFL QB. But imo, Lawrence has a shot to be a better overall QB than Dak.
 

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Lawrence has a legitimate chance to be a better NFL QB than Dak. For starters, he's already physically more gifted than Dak. Plus he's been projected as the consensus #1 overall pick for quite awhile, which says a lot to me personally. Dak is a good, solid, NFL QB. But imo, Lawrence has a shot to be a better overall QB than Dak.

Okay fine.. Would you like for me to run down the list of can't miss, has all the tools, can make all the throws QBs who have come out in the draft in the last 20 years? Guys like Lawrence come out of college every year.. Sure he has a legitimate chance to be better than Dak.. But frankly the percentages lean WAAAAAY the other way.. Many many many more guys come into the league and fail or at least don't ascend to the top of the mountain than who exceed what Dak has accomplished. Five years ago we were told that Carson Wentz was going to take over the NFL because he has all the tools, can make all the throws, and is big and athletic. Only the biggest Philly homers and staunch Dak haters are still clinging to that take. I am conservative by nature.. so no one is going to talk me into rolling the dice on a maybe better than Dak when I already have a very good NFL QB in Dak. I have been watching the NFL for 55 years and I have seen more of these "next big thing" QBs than I can count. Meanwhile the best QBs I have seen were a 6th or 7th round Pick.. Roger Staubach. A 3rd round pick.. Russell Wilson.. another 6th rounder.. Tom Brady.. a 2nd round pick Joe Montana.. Ironically the only first round picks who break into those ranks are Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers.. both of whom had to sit through the disappointment of being passed over by 25+ teams despite being potential all time greats. Forgive me if I am missing some other greats who warrant mentioning here.. I guess I should throw Peyton Manning and John Elway in there.. Was Kurt Warner even drafted? I think you get my drift.. The NFL has bought into these college hype machine QBs for decades.. Sometimes it works out.. but more often it doesn't.

Look at this list of #1 overall pick QBs..

2020 Burrow.. - promising start.. jury still out
2019 Kyler Murray - see Burrow above
2018 Baker Mayfield - coach has realized that he can't be counted on.. leaning on defense and running game.
2016 Goff - see Mayfield
2015 Winston - already washed out of one team well on his way to being a bust.
2012 Luck - injuries beat him out of the game.
2011 Newton - almost out of the league.. (one MVP but hurt shoulder did him in)
2010 Bradford - done before age 30 bust
2009 Stafford - good player .. never great
2007 Russell - out of the league by age 25. bust
2005 Smith - hanging in there after almost losing his leg.. played OK most of his career..
2004 Eli - two Super Bowl runs.. basically dawg poo the rest of his career
2003 Palmer - good player.. never great
2002 Carr - bust
2001 Vick - exciting for stretches.. never fulfilled the promise of his early career (Dogs and injuries took him out)
1999 Couch - bust
1998 Peyton - Hall of Famer.

On that list there is only one I would take over Dak and that's Peyton Manning.. But people are bending over backward to tell me that Trevor Lawrence will buck the trend.. All I can ask is "based on what?" The evidence says there's about an 80% chance that he will never approach what Dak is doing and it's more likely he will be average or below than he will be great..
 

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Old sot was more emphasis on sot from how I read it going down with stumbling, slurring Jerry trying to take down Jimmy a peg. My whole point is that you act like Jerry was half responsible for the success of the ego duo yet he refuses to try the successful experiment again. I’ve been a fan since 75 and used to think Landry was stubborn with his schemes but Jerry takes the cake on stubbornness and refusing to replicate success because of ego. Again I agree that Jimmy isn’t perfect and has issues but it doesn’t explain why we are heading into decade 3 and Jerry only tried it one more time. His idea of replicating it was taking old players, making them coaches despite their experience and acting like it was the 90s. I enjoy Jerry when he’s off wheeling and dealing but he will never admit that he needs a football man

I think Jerry HAS football men working for him.. Stephen is in his 30th year in the league.. He has basically grown up in football. Will McClay and his staff do a fine job of finding talent.. The problem with how the Cowboys has always been depth. Jerry likes to build star-studded roster and it's always top heavy.. If these super studs go down the dropoff is precipitous. And at this point guys are getting older and the injuries are just going to keep coming.. so he has GOT to start building the roster with better depth especially in the trenches. I agree on his stubbornness. But he wants to win desperately. I think if he gets a voice he respects telling him the right things he will go along with it. Hopefully that voice will be McCarthy going forward. Maybe McCarthy will be able to help construct the roster with better balance and depth. Jerry aint gittin no younger.. so he is going to be more and more willing to swallow his pride in the name of winning as time moves on.
 

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I overheard on the radio today a clip of Greeny saying that he think that both Dak and Zeke will be gone from the Cowboys nest year. Greeny said that he thinks that Jerry is going to blow up the team, and that, he thinks they will have now have cap space to do so.

That's all I can remember. Sorry I couldn't find a YT video to back up what Greeny said today.
guy is a idiot if he actually thinks this, Elliot has a dead money caphit of 24mil if hes cut this offseason
 

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Okay fine.. Would you like for me to run down the list of can't miss, has all the tools, can make all the throws QBs who have come out in the draft in the last 20 years? Guys like Lawrence come out of college every year.. Sure he has a legitimate chance to be better than Dak.. But frankly the percentages lean WAAAAAY the other way.. Many many many more guys come into the league and fail or at least don't ascend to the top of the mountain than who exceed what Dak has accomplished. Five years ago we were told that Carson Wentz was going to take over the NFL because he has all the tools, can make all the throws, and is big and athletic. Only the biggest Philly homers and staunch Dak haters are still clinging to that take. I am conservative by nature.. so no one is going to talk me into rolling the dice on a maybe better than Dak when I already have a very good NFL QB in Dak. I have been watching the NFL for 55 years and I have seen more of these "next big thing" QBs than I can count. Meanwhile the best QBs I have seen were a 6th or 7th round Pick.. Roger Staubach. A 3rd round pick.. Russell Wilson.. another 6th rounder.. Tom Brady.. a 2nd round pick Joe Montana.. Ironically the only first round picks who break into those ranks are Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers.. both of whom had to sit through the disappointment of being passed over by 25+ teams despite being potential all time greats. Forgive me if I am missing some other greats who warrant mentioning here.. I guess I should throw Peyton Manning and John Elway in there.. Was Kurt Warner even drafted? I think you get my drift.. The NFL has bought into these college hype machine QBs for decades.. Sometimes it works out.. but more often it doesn't.

Look at this list of #1 overall pick QBs..

2020 Burrow.. - promising start.. jury still out
2019 Kyler Murray - see Burrow above
2018 Baker Mayfield - coach has realized that he can't be counted on.. leaning on defense and running game.
2016 Goff - see Mayfield
2015 Winston - already washed out of one team well on his way to being a bust.
2012 Luck - injuries beat him out of the game.
2011 Newton - almost out of the league.. (one MVP but hurt shoulder did him in)
2010 Bradford - done before age 30 bust
2009 Stafford - good player .. never great
2007 Russell - out of the league by age 25. bust
2005 Smith - hanging in there after almost losing his leg.. played OK most of his career..
2004 Eli - two Super Bowl runs.. basically dawg poo the rest of his career
2003 Palmer - good player.. never great
2002 Carr - bust
2001 Vick - exciting for stretches.. never fulfilled the promise of his early career (Dogs and injuries took him out)
1999 Couch - bust
1998 Peyton - Hall of Famer.

On that list there is only one I would take over Dak and that's Peyton Manning.. But people are bending over backward to tell me that Trevor Lawrence will buck the trend.. All I can ask is "based on what?" The evidence says there's about an 80% chance that he will never approach what Dak is doing and it's more likely he will be average or below than he will be great..
I appreciate all the hard work you put into posting these stats. My issue with stats, they are a tool to evaluate a player, which obviously is important, but stats are just part of the overall evaluation of a player. There's the eye test, the "it" factor. Dak doesn't pass my eye test as an elite QB. Dak is a good, repeat good, NFL QB. But, unlike you, I not as impressed by Dak's overall stats. I don't like Dak's pocket awareness.I don't like that Dak cannot improvise out of the pocket. I can live with Dak as the QB of the Cowboy's, but I'm looking for an upgrade, and I like what I see from Lawrence.
 

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I appreciate all the hard work you put into posting these stats. My issue with stats, they are a tool to evaluate a player, which obviously is important, but stats are just part of the overall evaluation of a player. There's the eye test, the "it" factor. Dak doesn't pass my eye test as an elite QB. Dak is a good, repeat good, NFL QB. But, unlike you, I not as impressed by Dak's overall stats. I don't like Dak's pocket awareness.I don't like that Dak cannot improvise out of the pocket. I can live with Dak as the QB of the Cowboy's, but I'm looking for an upgrade, and I like what I see from Lawrence.

I think this is a flawed take. Dak is one of the best on the run throwers I've ever seen. And he has improvised out of the pocket TONS over the course of his career. Close your eyes and think about the OT game winner against the Eagles a couple of years back.. He steps up.. then back..then flushes left and throws a strike to Witten. Or how about those amazing longball throws on the scramble to Butler a couple of years back. Dak has matured into a better pocket QB so we see less of that. People spent years complaining that he could not stand in the pocket and make throws.. Now you're complaining that he stands in the pocket and makes throws? WTH man!?!?! He has led the #1 offense in the league over the last 20+ games he played. If you're looking for an upgrade of the QB leading the best offense in the league I'd love to get your thoughts on all the upgrades we need on the defense.. And how you get them if you spend your #1 pick on a QB or really any position that doesn't shore up the middle of the defense.
 

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I think this is a flawed take. Dak is one of the best on the run throwers I've ever seen. And he has improvised out of the pocket TONS over the course of his career. Close your eyes and think about the OT game winner against the Eagles a couple of years back.. He steps up.. then back..then flushes left and throws a strike to Witten. Or how about those amazing longball throws on the scramble to Butler a couple of years back. Dak has matured into a better pocket QB so we see less of that. People spent years complaining that he could not stand in the pocket and make throws.. Now you're complaining that he stands in the pocket and makes throws? WTH man!?!?! He has led the #1 offense in the league over the last 20+ games he played. If you're looking for an upgrade of the QB leading the best offense in the league I'd love to get your thoughts on all the upgrades we need on the defense.. And how you get them if you spend your #1 pick on a QB or really any position that doesn't shore up the middle of the defense.
If Dak is as great a QB as you pretend him to be, I'm thinking Jerry would have signed him to a max deal already.
 

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Greeny throws a lot of crap out there from think air. The best was him professing darnold being better than dak.
He’s a fraud . Always has been but hats off to him he’s become very wealthy by being a fraud
 

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If Dak is as great a QB as you pretend him to be, I'm thinking Jerry would have signed him to a max deal already.
:laugh:

And why is that, because Jerry has proven to be such a great GM? I’d be more inclined to think if Jerry signed him already then he’s not the right guy.
 

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:laugh:

And why is that, because Jerry has proven to be such a great GM?
Maybe you can ask Troy about Jerry resigning him back in Troy's playing days.[/QUOTE]
I’d be more inclined to think if Jerry signed him already then he’s not the right guy.
Jerry the GM has made some really bad, boneheaded moves, but one thing I'll give Jerry a lot of credit for is the fact that Jerry has always resigned his star players.
 

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Maybe you can ask Troy about Jerry resigning him back in Troy's playing days.
Jerry the GM has made some really bad, boneheaded moves, but one thing I'll give Jerry a lot of credit for is the fact that Jerry has always resigned his star players.[/QUOTE]
Wow! And by “star players” do you mean overpaid, under performing divas?

He’s let the best positions/players walk more often than not.
 

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....looking at the QB situation as it is all over the NFL. Point being, good QB's are hard to find. Dak is better than good. Therefore, Dak is not going anywhere, given he's healthy again.
If he's healthy! Big if.
 
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