Colin:Will Cowboys use 1st pick to replace Dak?

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Nov 5, 2020

The only problem with Lawrence is he will not fall below the first pick because he is all the Jets if they want him. They will not win one game this year 0-16.

Them · Nov 5, 2020

...NO!!!...either OT or defense...IMO!!!... :grin:

ABQCOWBOY · Nov 5, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I'm all in for Trevor Lawrence.

I know it makes me a bad Cowboy fan right now but I don't care. I was happy losing to Philly and I hope we keep taking L's.

I want this team to compete for titles and getting stud players is how you achieve that.

It's only November and there is already rumblings he doesn't want to be a Jet and the Jets could possibly stick with Darnold and actually put some pieces around him.. Darnold is only 23 and they have failed him.

I would imagine that Lawrence is going #1 no matter what. If the Jets don't take him, they probably trade down with somebody and they take him. I'm cool with it. I like Trey Lance. I think we can get him a little cheaper and I think he has way more upside then Fields.

JMO

HellCrowe · Nov 5, 2020

Sad to say but I’m more excited to see what we do with this pick than this season. Looking forward to it actually. Very telling where this team will be heading. Do we ride it out with Dak or draft a young stud?

75boyz · Nov 5, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I want to be so bad but he is putting nothing on tapes that wows me.

Don't get me wrong I think he will be good but everything is so optimal for him and that aside I don't see crazy upside either.

He's going to be a solid player like Dak.

I think the case for Fields is you can replace Dak with Dak part 2 for cheap which is still a smart move for team building.

Totally agree. I share the same opinion on Fields. Coach Day has improved Fields skillset if comparing last year's tape to this, but like you, I still see Lawrence as a possible generational QB and Fields ceiling as more Dak like as you describe.

Also agree with the team build concept paying Field's 1st contract while supplementing the lines/defense probably wouldn't be too far a fall off from Daks past win production.

Just another headscratcher concept for me on this forum where a group is totally blinded by the fact that this current oline, RB and defense is not capable of performing to championship standards while expecting a QB who totally relies upon their performance to win.
It's beyond explainable at this point because of the Dak stats lovers.
Every single post is a face palm when the Dak family crowd fails to mention the 1-3 this year and the w/l last year against above .500 teams and then pretend he doesn't need absolute dominance from most all positions in order to win.

Like you said might as well just get the next Dak(Fields) and in the meantime get defense to help and use that good old Jones strategy.

Hope. Lol

CATCH17 · Nov 5, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
I would imagine that Lawrence is going #1 no matter what. If the Jets don't take him, they probably trade down with somebody and they take him. I'm cool with it. I like Trey Lance. I think we can get him a little cheaper and I think he has way more upside then Fields.

JMO

Trey Lance can run but his throwing mechanics I do not like. Maybe it's correctable but he has a very slow release. There were some other things I wasn't a fan of but I need to go back and look.

He does have upside but I think the Alabama and Florida kid need to start getting some consideration as even being the #2 QB taken.

The Alabama guys release is just like Romo. Like it's spot on. He can move a little too but I wouldn't say he is a gun slinger. He plays like a NFL Vet already.

The Florida guy, Trask, is like Stafford and Wentz. He's impressive too.

It's still so early and I can change my mind on a lot of this stuff.

conner01 · Nov 5, 2020

tunahelper said:
This is the big question. If Fields is capable then this should be a serious strategy. Dak is good, but he is not elite. Meaning he needs several assets around him to keep the offense rolling. The top QB's do not need 3+ high level skill players to score a lot of points.
If Fields is legit then take him. Put the money you spend in Dak into the defense. It will take Fields a couple of years and we could compete in 3 years for a SB, if we draft well and spend wisely on FA's.

If fields is the same as Dak you take him because of the money
The question to me is can he be as good as Dak
And on that I’m not convinced
I wasn’t convinced Dak could be as good as Dak is when he was drafted either
So my QB scouting may be under par lol

ABQCOWBOY · Nov 5, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Trey Lance can run but his throwing mechanics I do not like. Maybe it's correctable but he has a very slow release. There were some other things I wasn't a fan of but I need to go back and look.

He does have upside but I think the Alabama and Florida kid need to start getting some consideration as even being the #2 QB taken.

The Alabama guys release is just like Romo. Like it's spot on. He can move a little too but I wouldn't say he is a gun slinger. He plays like a NFL Vet already.

The Florida guy, Trask, is like Stafford and Wentz. He's impressive too.

It's still so early and I can change my mind on a lot of this stuff.

Yeah, Trask is interesting. Ole Muschamp has him tuned up.

No Bama QBs for me Catch. I don't trust em.

Lastly, one of the biggest things Dak gives you is his ability to stay healthy. Now, I realize that this is a bit of a contradiction right now but that's a big part of what Dak gives you. a kid like Fields, I don't know that he is the same. I don't know that you are going to get a QB who just gives you starts without missing games etc. I'm not so sure about that one, in terms of comparing Fields and Dak.

LACowboysFan1 · Nov 5, 2020

ChuckA1 said:
There are a lot of games left to play before the Cowboys have the luxury of drafting in the top two. With the way this FO has been operating,
the Cowboys will win a few more games and still not get the Dak situation handled. If Dak is the guy, great, but if he's not, don't win anymore
meaningless games!

Cowboys are not winning a few more games, unless you count 1 or 2 as "a few".

Even those 1 or 2 is far from being likely, more like best case scenario...

CATCH17 · Nov 5, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Yeah, Trask is interesting. Ole Muschamp has him tuned up.

No Bama QBs for me Catch. I don't trust em.

Lastly, one of the biggest things Dak gives you is his ability to stay healthy. Now, I realize that this is a bit of a contradiction right now but that's a big part of what Dak gives you. a kid like Fields, I don't know that he is the same. I don't know that you are going to get a QB who just gives you starts without missing games etc. I'm not so sure about that one, in terms of comparing Fields and Dak.

Yeah Dak is a dependable player and this year is an outlier.. Can’t take that away from him.

tunahelper · Nov 5, 2020

conner01 said:
If fields is the same as Dak you take him because of the money
The question to me is can he be as good as Dak
And on that I’m not convinced
I wasn’t convinced Dak could be as good as Dak is when he was drafted either
So my QB scouting may be under par lol

I agree with that thought process, but I am concerned Dak may not be good enough as well. Dak is very good, but not great.
If Dak requires significant resources around him to function at a high level, maybe the juice is not worth the squeeze.
Lets invest in the rest of the team, if a similar upside QB is available. Very good QB's cannot consume 40 million a year of your cap.

ABQCOWBOY · Nov 5, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Trey Lance can run but his throwing mechanics I do not like. Maybe it's correctable but he has a very slow release. There were some other things I wasn't a fan of but I need to go back and look.

He does have upside but I think the Alabama and Florida kid need to start getting some consideration as even being the #2 QB taken.

The Alabama guys release is just like Romo. Like it's spot on. He can move a little too but I wouldn't say he is a gun slinger. He plays like a NFL Vet already.

The Florida guy, Trask, is like Stafford and Wentz. He's impressive too.

It's still so early and I can change my mind on a lot of this stuff.

I don't know that it's slow, per say. I mean, I too would like to see a little more of a compact release but honestly, I've seen him snap the ball off on he run or when he sees the open man clearing so I know he can do that but I understand what you are saying. When he sets up, he has a little bit of a windup to it. The thing about that kid though, he is really accurate with his deep ball. He throws it and his WRs just run right under it. You don't see them stop and have to come back a lot. He's definitely faster then Dak. I will very interested to see him run. I wonder just how fast he is? He doesn't look fast but when he breaks out, nobody is catching him and he's showing separation from DBs so he may actually have some kick to him. If you can find some, watch some Warren Moon tape at Washington. Tell me what you see.

I really would like to be able to see more on Lance but I don't think you are going to get that. He does hold the ball a little bit too low at times and he has a bit of a windup but he has real long ball accuracy and he can break the pocket and threaten downfield for sure.

There is another kid out there, as well. Zach Wilson from BYU. He's really interesting Catch.

conner01 · Nov 5, 2020

tunahelper said:
I agree with that thought process, but I am concerned Dak may not be good enough as well. Dak is very good, but not great.
If Dak requires significant resources around him to function at a high level, maybe the juice is not worth the squeeze.
Lets invest in the rest of the team, if a similar upside QB is available. Very good QB's cannot consume 40 million a year of your cap.

Everyone wants an elite QB
But they are few and far between
You can’t build a team to win without a good QB
You want an elite one but you can win with a good one
No matter how good you are you can’t win with a bad one

ABQCOWBOY · Nov 5, 2020

conner01 said:
Everyone wants an elite QB
But they are few and far between
You can’t build a team to win without a good QB
You want an elite one but you can win with a good one
No matter how good you are you can’t win with a bad one

Well, a great QB vs a good QB might be round taken, in terms of the draft. Why is that important? When we took Dak in the 4th round, that was great, excellent value but it really hurt us, in terms of signing. He had a 4 year deal as opposed to a 5 year deal so it kinda screwed everything up, so to speak. I mean, if you are gonna draft a QB, I'm not sure it's not better to go for great, as opposed to good, in terms of that 5th year option.

reddyuta · Nov 5, 2020

conner01 said:
Fields doesn’t look like a top 2 pick to me

he is slightly a more athletic version of Dak,why not keep a sure thing in Dak and get more picks by trading down or draft SEwell to replace Tyron?

conner01 · Nov 5, 2020

reddyuta said:
he is slightly a more athletic version of Dak,why not keep a sure thing in Dak and get more picks by trading down or draft SEwell to replace Tyron?

If I thought he was actually a more athletic Dak I’d draft him because of the money
He’s certainly more athletic but I’m not convinced he’s comparable to dak

Corso · Nov 5, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't know that it's slow, per say. I mean, I too would like to see a little more of a compact release but honestly, I've seen him snap the ball off on he run or when he sees the open man clearing so I know he can do that but I understand what you are saying. When he sets up, he has a little bit of a windup to it. The thing about that kid though, he is really accurate with his deep ball. He throws it and his WRs just run right under it. You don't see them stop and have to come back a lot. He's definitely faster then Dak. I will very interested to see him run. I wonder just how fast he is? He doesn't look fast but when he breaks out, nobody is catching him and he's showing separation from DBs so he may actually have some kick to him. If you can find some, watch some Warren Moon tape at Washington. Tell me what you see.

I really would like to be able to see more on Lance but I don't think you are going to get that. He does hold the ball a little bit too low at times and he has a bit of a windup but he has real long ball accuracy and he can break the pocket and threaten downfield for sure.

There is another kid out there, as well. Zach Wilson from BYU. He's really interesting Catch.

Really good stuff. Nice dialogue between you and @CATCH17 on the subject.

conner01 · Nov 5, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Well, a great QB vs a good QB might be round taken, in terms of the draft. Why is that important? When we took Dak in the 4th round, that was great, excellent value but it really hurt us, in terms of signing. He had a 4 year deal as opposed to a 5 year deal so it kinda screwed everything up, so to speak. I mean, if you are gonna draft a QB, I'm not sure it's not better to go for great, as opposed to good, in terms of that 5th year option.

If you get in the position to draft great you do it
We may be in position to draft Lawrence and if so I take him
I’m not convinced fields is as good as Dak myself
If you can’t draft great you sure don’t let good walk till you do
So if we end up at 5 I take the best player I can there and I don’t think that will be a QB
Love Sewell but he’s going very early
But him or best defensive player is what I do and keep dak

reddyuta · Nov 5, 2020

conner01 said:
If I thought he was actually a more athletic Dak I’d draft him because of the money
He’s certainly more athletic but I’m not convinced he’s comparable to dak

i am not either,i am saying he has a similar playing style.I dont even trust the OHio state QBs,their receivers are WIDE open on almost every pass he throws.

CowboyoWales · Nov 5, 2020

reddyuta said:
he is slightly a more athletic version of Dak,why not keep a sure thing in Dak and get more picks by trading down or draft SEwell to replace Tyron?

$35m net gain will could see us through the bad contracts of: Cooper, Jaylon, Zeke and help us not having to rely on restructuring players with health concerns Smith, Collins.

Next year's free agency year will possibly contain more talent than most due to the reduced CAP.

Not disagreeing with your position, but my concern is that if we sign Dak (especially to a 3 year deal) it's going to take some time to improve as it'll be purely through the draft .....and we'll extend the financial problems as we guarantee more money against those bad contracts.

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