A positive view for the rest of the season

Bobhaze said:

I’m not a guy who favors intentional tanking. I think that injects a cultural cancer that’s hard to root out. We already have enough issues with this culture. Play hard every game., every play.

But...Seriously, we aren’t winning the NFC Least this year. So why not try to win every game while also seeing what you have in some of these guys?

• Bradlee Anae
• Reggie Robinson
• Eli Ankou- worth a 7th round pick, let’s see a lot of him right now.
• Neville Gallimore
• All three backup QBs- The Nooch, Gilbert and Rush (in that order) Are any of the three a backup worth keeping? Or developing for a trade?
• Joe Thomas- not a rookie but still worth more reps. (Instead of Sean Lee)
• Some of the guys from the practice squad. Too many to mention
  
• Fortunately, we’re already getting good reps for Diggs, and Lamb.
• Get more reps for Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown. They seem to be developing. Maybe one or both could develop to be a future starter here or to make a trade for a future pick, which would be a long shot.

Here are the guys IMO we don’t need to see anymore because they steal reps from young guys that could develop:

• Ty Crawford- he’s pathetic. He’s getting road graded weekly. Cut him or bench him.
• Sean Lee- hate to say, because I have great respect for him, but he’s the past, not the future.
• Andy Dalton- Since we aren’t in a realistic playoff hunt anymore, why waste reps on a guy that won’t be here next year and doesn’t help us get better? He’s a decent backup. Which would be great for a contender. We’re not a contender anymore.

To me, playing the youngsters to see what can be developed or not, is what can make the rest of this dumpster fire of a season more fun. Please no more guys that aren’t the future.

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Put guys on the field to play for the future, but have everyone play to win.

Keep enough vets on the field so that we can be competitive. Players don't develop if the whole squad is just being crushed.

Crawford is done and has no future here or elsewhere. Just cut him and play young guys.

Dalton is one of those vets to play to let the unit function so everyone can improve.

Playing him can boost the comp pick we get for him. That's the other reason to play a vet.

Dalton is a QB. If he can look like a starter, we're talking high salary translating into a good comp pick. That's a significant benefit over getting experience for some PS level player.

The biggest plus of Lee may be getting Jaylon off the field so his injury guarantees for the next two years don't kick in. That would be the worst.

Lee should help get the defense functional.

Possible we get some kind of comp pick out of him? I doubt Lee could attract much attention in free agency for a decent comp pick.

It's tough, but we probably should play someone younger if we can find them. 35 next year. Good chance he just retires.

maryquality said:

I would really like to see 3 LB's in the game at the same time!! Lee-LVE-Thomas would be my combo. But, what do I know.

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I remember back when I thought we could be a top LB corps with LVE-Thomas-Lee.

Good times.

Lee-LVE-Thomas would still be a nice rotation for even a normal season. Lee for run, Thomas for pass, LVE always.

Bobhaze said:

I’m not a guy who favors intentional tanking. I think that injects a cultural cancer that’s hard to root out. We already have enough issues with this culture. Play hard every game., every play.

But...Seriously, we aren’t winning the NFC Least this year. So why not try to win every game while also seeing what you have in some of these guys?

• Bradlee Anae
• Reggie Robinson
• Eli Ankou- worth a 7th round pick, let’s see a lot of him right now.
• Neville Gallimore
• All three backup QBs- The Nooch, Gilbert and Rush (in that order) Are any of the three a backup worth keeping? Or developing for a trade?
• Joe Thomas- not a rookie but still worth more reps. (Instead of Sean Lee)
• Some of the guys from the practice squad. Too many to mention
  
• Fortunately, we’re already getting good reps for Diggs, and Lamb.
• Get more reps for Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown. They seem to be developing. Maybe one or both could develop to be a future starter here or to make a trade for a future pick, which would be a long shot.

Here are the guys IMO we don’t need to see anymore because they steal reps from young guys that could develop:

• Ty Crawford- he’s pathetic. He’s getting road graded weekly. Cut him or bench him.
• Sean Lee- hate to say, because I have great respect for him, but he’s the past, not the future.
• Andy Dalton- Since we aren’t in a realistic playoff hunt anymore, why waste reps on a guy that won’t be here next year and doesn’t help us get better? He’s a decent backup. Which would be great for a contender. We’re not a contender anymore.

To me, playing the youngsters to see what can be developed or not, is what can make the rest of this dumpster fire of a season more fun. Please no more guys that aren’t the future.

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Grand plan, me boy, grand plan!

NOW is the time, as you say, to see these scrubs. Finding even one diamond in the rough would be worth it.
Best of all, these no-name players will be going 100% to audition.


Yes, (wink), and let's try to win games during amateur hour. Hee-hee.

Bobhaze said:

I’m not a guy who favors intentional tanking. I think that injects a cultural cancer that’s hard to root out. We already have enough issues with this culture. Play hard every game., every play.

But...Seriously, we aren’t winning the NFC Least this year. So why not try to win every game while also seeing what you have in some of these guys?

• Bradlee Anae
• Reggie Robinson
• Eli Ankou- worth a 7th round pick, let’s see a lot of him right now.
• Neville Gallimore
• All three backup QBs- The Nooch, Gilbert and Rush (in that order) Are any of the three a backup worth keeping? Or developing for a trade?
• Joe Thomas- not a rookie but still worth more reps. (Instead of Sean Lee)
• Some of the guys from the practice squad. Too many to mention
  
• Fortunately, we’re already getting good reps for Diggs, and Lamb.
• Get more reps for Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown. They seem to be developing. Maybe one or both could develop to be a future starter here or to make a trade for a future pick, which would be a long shot.

Here are the guys IMO we don’t need to see anymore because they steal reps from young guys that could develop:

• Ty Crawford- he’s pathetic. He’s getting road graded weekly. Cut him or bench him.
• Sean Lee- hate to say, because I have great respect for him, but he’s the past, not the future.
• Andy Dalton- Since we aren’t in a realistic playoff hunt anymore, why waste reps on a guy that won’t be here next year and doesn’t help us get better? He’s a decent backup. Which would be great for a contender. We’re not a contender anymore.

To me, playing the youngsters to see what can be developed or not, is what can make the rest of this dumpster fire of a season more fun. Please no more guys that aren’t the future.

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POST OF THE WEEK!

Bobhaze said:

I didn’t say cut Dalton. Just don’t play him.

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Gotta play him to get his value up. Just don't actually win any games. And we won't if we keep running zeke for 3 yards a pop instead of pollard or passing for 1st downs. Just need teams to think he's a decent qb and it's just our defense that sucks.

buybuydandavis said:

Put guys on the field to play for the future, but have everyone play to win.
Keep enough vets on the field so that we can be competitive. Players don't develop if the whole squad is just being crushed.
Crawford is done and has no future here or elsewhere. Just cut him and play young guys.
Dalton is one of those vets to play to let the unit function so everyone can improve.
Playing him can boost the comp pick we get for him. That's the other reason to play a vet.
Dalton is a QB. If he can look like a starter, we're talking high salary translating into a good comp pick. That's a significant benefit over getting experience for some PS level player.
The biggest plus of Lee may be getting Jaylon off the field so his injury guarantees for the next two years don't kick in. That would be the worst.
Lee should help get the defense functional.
Possible we get some kind of comp pick out of him? I doubt Lee could attract much attention in free agency for a decent comp pick.
It's tough, but we probably should play someone younger if we can find them. 35 next year. Good chance he just retires.

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Even if Dalton plays lights out and leaves after the season the Cowboys would not get a compensatory pick for him leaving. There was an article a year or two ago where a guy from the NFL management council explain that when a team signs a player to a 1 year contract and then leaves after that season that when his contract length and amount is put into the formula his score is so low and with a limited number of compensatory every year warded, those teams never get compensatory picks for those players who left after their 1 year contracts were up. Lee with only playing all 16 games in a season once in 11 years I very seriously doubt any team would try to sign him and he will just retire so no comp pick.

Next you see one part of a players contract and think you came up with some big thing but overlook the easy obvious thing. That injury guarantee just guarantees his salary if he's on the roster after the 5th day of the new league year in both 2021 and 2022. Now the only way of getting out of paying that is if he is off the team however doing that will put 9.4 mil on the dead money on a cap that everyone knows will be smaller next year not larger. This off season is not the year to make wholesale cuts that add to the dead money with a smaller cap coming.
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buybuydandavis said:

Put guys on the field to play for the future, but have everyone play to win.

Keep enough vets on the field so that we can be competitive. Players don't develop if the whole squad is just being crushed.

Crawford is done and has no future here or elsewhere. Just cut him and play young guys.

Dalton is one of those vets to play to let the unit function so everyone can improve.

Playing him can boost the comp pick we get for him. That's the other reason to play a vet.

Dalton is a QB. If he can look like a starter, we're talking high salary translating into a good comp pick. That's a significant benefit over getting experience for some PS level player.

The biggest plus of Lee may be getting Jaylon off the field so his injury guarantees for the next two years don't kick in. That would be the worst.

Lee should help get the defense functional.

Possible we get some kind of comp pick out of him? I doubt Lee could attract much attention in free agency for a decent comp pick.

It's tough, but we probably should play someone younger if we can find them. 35 next year. Good chance he just retires.

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Totally agree have to have some kind of legitimate QB running the offense to move the chains a bit . Turnovers and 3 and outs just get the defense run over and make an intolerable game to watch

CowboyRoy said:

WHAT!!!! You want to cut the QB that just 3 weeks ago you were saying was going to save our season?

That was quick!!!! Some lessons are learned the hard way eh?

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I want to lose every game the rest of the year and I feel like Dalton puts us in a position to win games.

CATCH17 said:

I want to lose every game the rest of the year and I feel like Dalton puts us in a position to win games.

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You would think he could put us in position but I dont feel the team will play for him. This team loves Dak I dont believe they will do anything that makes Andy look good . Just my opinion

mortboy said:

I 100% agree. Just two other thoughts that have been stuck in my brain.

There must be something with Robinson that they don't like. He has not been activated yet this year (I think), so maybe he really sucks. I know that they weren't impressed with him at CB and maybe he is just slow to pick up the safety position. If you connect the dots, it may not be a positive.

I was thinking about Sean Lee. He is supposed to be a really smart player, so maybe he can help some of the defensive guys with some of the defensive calls, reads and alignments. Not saying that he should play every pay or anything, but there has been a lot of talk about him being a "coach on the field" type of guy. Possibly he can help LVE or others learn the cerebral parts of the game.

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They did the exact same thing with McGovern. They were forced to play him due to attrition. We were all wondering why a 3rd round O lineman that was known to be a force in college could not get on the field despite being injury free this season.

gjkoeppen said:

Even if he plays fantastic it won't get the Cowboys a compensatory pick. I read an article a year or two ago where a guy on the NFL management council who decide what teams get what compensatory picks. He said that players that sign 1 year deals and then leave after that year and when that contract length and amount is entered in the formula they end up with such a low score and because there is a limit number of compensatory picks awarded each year, those teams that lost those 1 year deal players never get any compensatory picks.
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The comp picks are based on the highest contracts which included any incentives paid. No committee is keeping score and saying which player makes or is left off the list.

jazzcat22 said:

The comp picks are based on the highest contracts which included any incentives paid. No committee is keeping score and saying which player makes or is left off the list.

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The NFL management council is the group that enters all of the free agent movement info into the FORMULA used to determine where the limited number of compe4nsatory picks will go each year. Part of this info that is entered into the FORMULA is the players length and amount of his last contract. Someone that is actually on that council gave this information who anybody who has actually paid attention to the process will agree that he knows more about a the process than some fan here who doesn't have the slightest idea of what the process is and who does it. Why is it that every year EVERYONE has to wait for the NFL to announce the compensatory picks? The reason is they have NEVER given out the formula they use to determine compensatory picks and this is why you are so clueless about this procedure. You really need to do some research.
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gjkoeppen said:

The NFL management council is the group that enters all of the free agent movement info into the FORMULA used to determine where the limited number of compe4nsatory picks will go each year. Part of this info that is entered into the FORMULA is the players length and amount of his last contract. Someone that is actually on that council gave this information who anybody who has actually paid attention to the process will agree that he knows more about a the process than some fan here who doesn't have the slightest idea of what the process is and who does it. Why is it that every year EVERYONE has to wait for the NFL to announce the compensatory picks? The reason is they have NEVER given out the formula they use to determine compensatory picks and this is why you are so clueless about this procedure. You really need to do some research.
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Obviously what you read and the many items I read are 2 different things. Don't go starting your crap about a fan thinking they know more than another. That happens on here EVERY post. And you are doing the same thing. So a NFL MEMBER enters data into a formula...woo hooo...It is still based on the contract. And yes they are not announced until March. That is because they need to get all the incentives met and the final contract. Also depends if a player had been released before the deadline or not.

So don't even start with your foolish insult and tell I am clueless, when you are just as clueless then. Start this crap with me, you now become a troll.
Want to debate it, then be reasonable and don't throw out the insults. It makes you look like a fool that can't be reasonable. You lose credibility with that.

Bobhaze said:

I’m not a guy who favors intentional tanking. I think that injects a cultural cancer that’s hard to root out. We already have enough issues with this culture. Play hard every game., every play.

But...Seriously, we aren’t winning the NFC Least this year. So why not try to win every game while also seeing what you have in some of these guys?

• Bradlee Anae
• Reggie Robinson
• Eli Ankou- worth a 7th round pick, let’s see a lot of him right now.
• Neville Gallimore
• All three backup QBs- The Nooch, Gilbert and Rush (in that order) Are any of the three a backup worth keeping? Or developing for a trade?
• Joe Thomas- not a rookie but still worth more reps. (Instead of Sean Lee)
• Some of the guys from the practice squad. Too many to mention
  
• Fortunately, we’re already getting good reps for Diggs, and Lamb.
• Get more reps for Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown. They seem to be developing. Maybe one or both could develop to be a future starter here or to make a trade for a future pick, which would be a long shot.

Here are the guys IMO we don’t need to see anymore because they steal reps from young guys that could develop:

• Ty Crawford- he’s pathetic. He’s getting road graded weekly. Cut him or bench him.
• Sean Lee- hate to say, because I have great respect for him, but he’s the past, not the future.
• Andy Dalton- Since we aren’t in a realistic playoff hunt anymore, why waste reps on a guy that won’t be here next year and doesn’t help us get better? He’s a decent backup. Which would be great for a contender. We’re not a contender anymore.

To me, playing the youngsters to see what can be developed or not, is what can make the rest of this dumpster fire of a season more fun. Please no more guys that aren’t the future.

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For the most part I agree. A couple of exceptions though …

I don't know you can just move practice squad players back and forth from PS to active roster without exposing them to waivers (maybe rules are different this year?), so practice squad players probably wont get those chances other than if someone gets cut and a few move onto the active roster and stay there.

We need to put out the best QB we can because if the offense just fails miserably with someone like DiNucci nobody on the offense is going to get a real opportunity to learn and grow. I also tend to believe what Parcells believed about throwing a young QB to the wolves before he is ready to handle it having the potential to do more harm than good.

OmerV said:

For the most part I agree. A couple of exceptions though …

I don't know you can just move practice squad players back and forth from PS to active roster without exposing them to waivers (maybe rules are different this year?), so practice squad players probably wont get those chances other than if someone gets cut and a few move onto the active roster and stay there.

We need to put out the best QB we can because if the offense just fails miserably with someone like DiNucci nobody on the offense is going to get a real opportunity to learn and grow. I also tend to believe what Parcells believed about throwing a young QB to the wolves before he is ready to handle it having the potential to do more harm than good.

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Good stuff.

The only positives this seasons is gonna come on draft day

Bobhaze said:

I’m not a guy who favors intentional tanking. I think that injects a cultural cancer that’s hard to root out. We already have enough issues with this culture. Play hard every game., every play.

But...Seriously, we aren’t winning the NFC Least this year. So why not try to win every game while also seeing what you have in some of these guys?

• Bradlee Anae
• Reggie Robinson
• Eli Ankou- worth a 7th round pick, let’s see a lot of him right now.
• Neville Gallimore
• All three backup QBs- The Nooch, Gilbert and Rush (in that order) Are any of the three a backup worth keeping? Or developing for a trade?
• Joe Thomas- not a rookie but still worth more reps. (Instead of Sean Lee)
• Some of the guys from the practice squad. Too many to mention
  
• Fortunately, we’re already getting good reps for Diggs, and Lamb.
• Get more reps for Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown. They seem to be developing. Maybe one or both could develop to be a future starter here or to make a trade for a future pick, which would be a long shot.

Here are the guys IMO we don’t need to see anymore because they steal reps from young guys that could develop:

• Ty Crawford- he’s pathetic. He’s getting road graded weekly. Cut him or bench him.
• Sean Lee- hate to say, because I have great respect for him, but he’s the past, not the future.
• Andy Dalton- Since we aren’t in a realistic playoff hunt anymore, why waste reps on a guy that won’t be here next year and doesn’t help us get better? He’s a decent backup. Which would be great for a contender. We’re not a contender anymore.

To me, playing the youngsters to see what can be developed or not, is what can make the rest of this dumpster fire of a season more fun. Please no more guys that aren’t the future.

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No.

You can not make the season just irrelevant going forward.

Players have contracts with incentive bonuses they expect to receive by achievement..

If you allow tanking..players are going to be holding others around them as not trying and therefore losing money for players next to them.

That is not what competitive sports is about. It's not what most people's jobs require to put food on their tables. You need to win at your job so everybody benefits.

Team chemistry is at stake if tanking is allowed to exist.

So I agree with moving some up into playing roles and other back that may not be in the future plans next year.

Next year begins now. So I am on board.

It will make these next 8 games more digestible for all of us.

Good post.

jazzcat22 said:

Obviously what you read and the many items I read are 2 different things. Don't go starting your crap about a fan thinking they know more than another. That happens on here EVERY post. And you are doing the same thing. So a NFL MEMBER enters data into a formula...woo hooo...It is still based on the contract. And yes they are not announced until March. That is because they need to get all the incentives met and the final contract. Also depends if a player had been released before the deadline or not.

So don't even start with your foolish insult and tell I am clueless, when you are just as clueless then. Start this crap with me, you now become a troll.
Want to debate it, then be reasonable and don't throw out the insults. It makes you look like a fool that can't be reasonable. You lose credibility with that.

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Whatever you think you know about compensatory picks, you obvious haven't picked up that there is a very complicated formula that is used to determine which teams get what or how many of the LIMITED number of compensatory picks awarded each year. Now just one piece of info that gets loaded in the formula used on EVERY free agent is the players last contract and it's length and amount.

Now when a person that works with the group of people that developed this formula that makes the decision on what compensatory picks get awarded and he says that a certain type of player, one that signed a 1 year contract and leaves ends up with such a low score from the formula that is used for EVERY free agent, that compensatory picks are never awarded for those players. If there was unlimited number of compensatory picks awarded then I guessing those 1 year players would result in compensatory picks , but there isn't unlimited number of picks every year.

Again I doubt that your FACTUAL knowledge on compensatory picks is equal to or greater than someone that actually is involved in the process every year. and therefore I will believe what that person who is with the NFL management council says over what you think.
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