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yes, Williams is decent- serviceable at OG, but he was an excellent pass blocker at LT at the college level where he only gave up one sack his last year at UT. (to Dorace Armstrong of all people)
His in-space athleticism and pass blocking skills could serve him much better on the edge outside than trying to keep anchoring inside a phone booth area.
He's not a natural OG, and he still has too many lapses and breakdowns in his 3rd year when he should've been blossoming into a top OG by now.
He's operational enough to get by with until you get better.
- Since we've invested a high pick on him, i'd like to see us trying to maximize his career and best position in the NFL before we decide to move on from him.
I don't think the Cowboys have really done that. It's like it's OG or bust here. And that's when I seriously questioned the coaching here and I don't like to see
very valuable high picks like go to waste.
- Jaylon Smith is another matter - we've tried him at middle LB, and now outside LB, we've tried to maximized his best position and design his role where
he can have the most impact. Problem is he is just not an impact player. He's an average player with very questionable instincts
- Only ways he can work best is if he is going forward and doesn't have to reverse field in coverage - and if he is totally freed up to run without any blocking interference.
Has to have a straight forward run at targets with no OL, no TE or blocking back to hinder him.
He doesn't get off blocks well. If a blocker gets into him- that's it.
He mis-guesses too many gaps, he can be fooled by misdirection and he continues to have issues in coverage and teams game plan vs him because they know they
can get plays on him. He's not likely to INT the ball, as he's often in a trail position with his back to the ball and arms frailing.
- Leads team in tackles but how many of those are often on his side of the ball after gainable yards ?
- I really believe we are much better team with LVE and Lee on the field at the same time. And there's nowhere else we can place or move
Jaylon to that helps us and lesser hurts us.
- Many NFL teams got Jaylon wrong as he was dubbed a top 5 overall talent during his draft class year. I could understand the knee issue, but his problems
have much more to do with his lack of instincts, and an inability to shed blocks imo.
- This is what makes me ponder the Cowboys interest in Sooners LB Keith Murray at 2021 draft time.
And given both Lee's likely final year and we vastly need a true playmaker at LB, i'm on board with moving on and away from Jaylon, too.
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Our fans have an unreasonable level of expectation from offensive lines, if we're being honest. And a poor understanding of the economics of salary-capped sports. He's starting-caliber. He's not a 1st round talent or a Pro Bowler. Just a lower-shelf starter. That's his great crime.
Williams isn't anything special but he also isn't really a problem--much less *the* problem--right now. He'll have a bad play here or there, sure, especially when he's facing a particularly bad matchup... and that threat is made worse in a season like this when injuries have left him as our 2nd best lineman on the field so he gets no benefit of extra help or consideration since we're too busy worrying about weaker links than him.
We'd be so lucky to get all our injured guys back on offense next year and be transported into a universe where Williams is the worst player on our offense and the only thing anyone can find to complain about on that side of the ball. If Williams is the worst player on our offense in 2021, we'll be a monster offense.
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- Hill was demonstrating that he was developing well and coming on after almost a red shirt year by Marinelli.
A true observer can see how he was breaking out and showing signs of ability at the NFL level. some here will still declare him at bust, but I was seeing progress with him.
He was showing the ability to get off blocks and penetrate in the backfield. What I like even more is Hill is committed and drive to better himself.
- McGovern- it's only his 2nd year and first experience when it comes to pads and playing field after an IR year per injury in OTA camps; Per 2020, it can be questioned that
he has not been given a fair opportunity to play and compete by this new coaching staff . I got to see him play before I can even think of him being a bust or giving up
on him.
- Jaylon ? many got this wrong as he was dubbed one of top overall players in the 2016 class if not for the horrific knee injury. But from what I've seen from him, is he
has very questionable instincts. The problems i'm seeing with him is not knee-related but more lack of knack (pure instincts, shedding blocks and coverage ability)
- Awuzie ? decent type. the same way we can do dirty work on why we drafted Byron jones, the same method and thinking of drafting an Awuzie -or a Dlaw, Gregory,
Draft are always hit and misses- but you'd like to have more hits...vs misses. We cannot have these Gavin Escobars to the mix. Scrub players
- Jerry is not scouting and drafting these players, he's not scouting FAs and pouching practice squads to add players to this roster - that role rolls thru McClay and his group.
who relates reports and data information back to the Jones, who signs their John Handcock signature and OK to these draft acquisition, trades and FAs.
- Lee ? can't blame staff for Lee's injuries, they draft him based on talent and production. Lee isn't a scrub, he's shown he's a playmaker and leader - when healthy.
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Um no sure worst year with worst team around and in front of him. Sure they that narrative, doesnt fly with me..way to add a name not in OP discussion. phreaking troll hater in da house^^^^
BTW if you looked past your hate goggles and knew football , Pay attention. Go back to come of the best RBS in History and they have 4-7 years where their YPC were under 4.0 ESmith had 6 had 13yrs as pro SIX(6) season under 4.0 YPC ,FIVE(5) seasons under 4.5 TWO seasons 4.6 and 4.7 and ONE season over 5.0 YPC
Esmith didnt he hold out twice and was the highest paid Rb in the league and wore the star and is in the HOF? played on much better teams with great OLs and yet his numbers career and what not looks a whole lot like Zekes..
i went back to Eddie George, Jerome bettis and many many of the best volume backs to ever plays and its all the same..
you cant see pat reality its ok i get it Internet GMs and the advent of SM and these types of forums breeds know it all they think they have clue when they dont..
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Hill, was showing improvement, not disagrees, however he set the bar really low last year and lets not forget, he was part of the DL that allowed a 200+ and 300+ rushing yards in the first 4 games.....
McGovern is in his second year, he gets one more year to prove something, otherwise we drafted a incapable back up at guard. not sure why, if we had the guards why draft one in the 3rd round since you expect them to be starters at some point...
Jaylon, was dubbed as one of the top over all players...but as you said he had an injury that most didn't think he would make it from...we gambled as we do in the second round. chances of recovery were small. I believe he is never going to be the player he was before the draft and that he has lost interest and perhaps, even as a top 5 player, before injury he may have become a bust.
I agree that Jerry is not scouting them, but Jerry is the GM. he sets the tone for the organization. he sets the culture. he sets the mindset. we just do not draft defensive players well.
Lee was also a player who had history of injuries in college and dropped as a result. that trend continued into NFL. again a high risk/high reward prospect. again, second round gamble.
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Maybe Connor's overall body of work could be ok, but pretty much every single time when people diagnose what happened on a horrible play that cost a game, Connor Williams has consistently been apart of a major screw up or just getting blown up. The hate isn't unwarranted. Really doubt he'll get a 2nd contract here. Probably needs a change of scenery and maybe a team that believes in him at tackle.
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true. it's taken the new line coach time to figure out a working scheme for our group. against the eagles, we were making headway by putting biadasz and martin on a defender and blocking him out of the picture. then against the steelers we were successful on the other side using williams and looney. now that we have a scheme figured out, all that is required is a rb who can run between the tackles. coaching matters.
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Jerry is the face of the franchise- but he's not the backbone work of the player personnel group.
That starts and ends with the guys most responsible for collecting and delivering
the data reports and player suggestions to the Jones when they sit and have their meetings.
And that's McClay.
For example, The Taco vs TJ Watt was much more about McClay and Marinelli, Jerry is just informed and advised by the scouting and coaching staff sold in on picking a Taco ..over TJ Watt.
- Jerry don't ..won't anything about an Tony Pollard, Tyler Biasdiaz, Gallimore, a Diggs or even a Taco,.. until McClay's group delivers that
player profile information, data reports, draft board work and suggestions to the Jones.
They basically just trustfully agree and sign off from whatever McClay brings them. If you feel you want to give the credit ..or blame to
- Lee? there are/have been several player that had injury bug at the college level that had injury history in college but turned it around at the NFL level.
There were several players that were raw and green and needed proper time, reps and coaching direction to develop in better players at the NFL level.
Trysten Hill may be one of those players.
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Yeah Conner is not the problem with the offensive line you made that up lol.
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yes, Williams is decent- serviceable at OG, but he was an excellent pass blocker at LT at the college level where he only gave up one sack his last year at UT. (to Dorace Armstrong of all people)
His in-space athleticism and pass blocking skills could serve him much better on the edge outside than trying to keep anchoring inside a phone booth area.
He's not a natural OG, and he still has too many lapses and breakdowns in his 3rd year when he should've been blossoming into a top OG by now.
He's operational enough to get by with until you get better.
- Since we've invested a high pick on him, i'd like to see us trying to maximize his career and best position in the NFL before we decide to move on from him.
I don't think the Cowboys have really done that. It's like it's OG or bust here. And that's when I seriously questioned the coaching here and I don't like to see
very valuable high picks like go to waste.
- Jaylon Smith is another matter - we've tried him at middle LB, and now outside LB, we've tried to maximized his best position and design his role where
he can have the most impact. Problem is he is just not an impact player. He's an average player with very questionable instincts
- Only ways he can work best is if he is going forward and doesn't have to reverse field in coverage - and if he is totally freed up to run without any blocking interference.
Has to have a straight forward run at targets with no OL, no TE or blocking back to hinder him.
He doesn't get off blocks well. If a blocker gets into him- that's it.
He mis-guesses too many gaps, he can be fooled by misdirection and he continues to have issues in coverage and teams game plan vs him because they know they
can get plays on him. He's not likely to INT the ball, as he's often in a trail position with his back to the ball and arms frailing.
- Leads team in tackles but how many of those are often on his side of the ball after gainable yards ?
- I really believe we are much better team with LVE and Lee on the field at the same time. And there's nowhere else we can place or move
Jaylon to that helps us and lesser hurts us.
- Many NFL teams got Jaylon wrong as he was dubbed a top 5 overall talent during his draft class year. I could understand the knee issue, but his problems
have much more to do with his lack of instincts, and an inability to shed blocks imo.
- This is what makes me ponder the Cowboys interest in Sooners LB Keith Murray at 2021 draft time.
And given both Lee's likely final year and we vastly need a true playmaker at LB, i'm on board with moving on and away from Jaylon, too.
-I have read the new staff wants to build chemistry and cohesion, possible reason why they haven't tried Connor at Tackle. They are very hesitant doing the same with Zach, just in emergency, injury situations.
-I want Jaylon replaced immediately. What does he do well? Always over pursues and is consistently in the wrong gap. Rather then playing instinctive football, he guesses which hole to attack. Cannot shed blockers. He is terrible in coverage, especially when he back is to the QB. I see him being more of an addition by subtraction. I believe both Lee/Thomas would be an upgrade over him. If they have a chance to draft Parsons from Penn State, I would turn in the card and put Jaylon on notice.
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Jaylon Smith ruins everything.
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You can "get by" with Connor Williams, but I would think that McGovern would be a better player. I'm not sure why the team stubbornly insists on playing him. Would I be upset if we resigned him? That depends. You can't have an All Pro at every position. If you sign him to a veteran minimum deal, that's tolerable. If you pay him like a Tyrone Crawford, then that would be insane, in my opinion.
As for Jaylon, he is an interesting case. I know everyone says he SUCKS, and he has played badly, but is that due to physical ability, or metal mistakes. If it is physical limitations causing it, then move on from him as soon as possible. If its not a physical issue, I am a lot more inclined to be patient and wait and see before I personally write him off.
I don't think people realize hot long it can take to get away from poor coaching. Last year was a train wreck with Marinelli/Richard. The linebackers were literally right in the middle of that dumpster fire of coaching.
Everyone was all ready to cut bait with Nolan, but the team SEEMS to be starting to respond to coaching and is playing better on the defensive side of the ball. I am sure it has taken Nolan a while to evaluate, teach and implement his system, and I am guessing that the players' heads are spinning.
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If TYRON IS NOT COMING BACK, OT IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.
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The worst contract is probably Crawford. He does nothing well, and the cost to move away from him was negligible.
The others might bad contacts, but some of them we are stuck with for the time being.
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You can often get a decent LB in the 3rd-5th rounds. Its a lot like the RB position.
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He is serviceable. He is not "good'. On a rookie deal, he is tolerable. He might even be OK on a vet minimum deal on a second contract as depth. If the team gives him a contract like Tyrone Crawford I am afraid I might lose it. LOL
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Yes, but as of now he is coming back.
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Draft DT, DE, OT, G basically get some big strong men in here to win some football games.