Would you have tanked for Ryan Leaf?

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 13, 2020

JohnnyHopkins said:
The great news is that we are fans typing words on a forum and have no bearing on what happens on the field at all.

Whoa.....I guess we should all just pack it in then. Why bother with a forum?

Ranching · Nov 13, 2020

Smashin222 said:
Would you tank for 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 2 thirds that the Titans got from the Rams for Goff?
Would you tank for 2 firsts, 1 second, 1 third and 1 fourth that the Browns got from the Eagles for Wentz?

Probably the more honest question given our circumstances.

No. Maybe I'm an old dumb football coach and player, but I would never lose on purpose.

fivetwos · Nov 13, 2020

Ranching said:
I don't understand why someone would want to lose on purpose to draft a player that is not proven. Could put us back another 10 years.......

I see that point.

I think the whole idea is that from a fan perspective, if you have zero shot of winning a championship, it's better to be worse and draft higher.

I'm not sure that's the healthiest thing for this bunch.
They need to get some sort of momentum and carry it into next year....where the players buy into the staff and schemes...as opposed to drafting a few slots higher.

Ranching · Nov 13, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
It's in my DNA. When there's nothing left to play for....pride in doing your best should take precedent.

The same people selling their soul for a draft position?.... Complain about our horrible draft skills.

Salud!!! Great post.

cern · Nov 13, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Actually, it is a righteous argument. It was 50/50 for Leaf/Manning and I can remember some saying it wasn't even close, Leaf is the guy. Leaf had more buzz coming in that any of those QB's you mentioned. The worst thing anyone could say was they couldn't go wrong with either one.

We're playing two games here. One is the grass is always greener and the other is these Bozos will build a better team around one of these blue chippers in this draft. Regardless of the QB, if they don't build a better team, doesn't matter.

i would prefer we trade top players for future first round picks if we can get any like miami did and then start the rebuilding program with that talent. worked for miami. it is working to some degree with raiders. is working for cleveland. but the idea of tanking a season is anathema to me. sends a horrible message to the players about their coaches and front office.

Kolemmitt · Nov 13, 2020

It depends on your definition of tanking.
Do you mean everyone tries their best to win, but you emphasize playing young guys so we can have a clear off-season strategy? Then, yes.
Do you mean that we basically give up in order to get the #1 draft pick? Then, no.

And it's not a QB we are after. It's as much young talent as we can collect onto a defense that will hopefully complement an offense that will be fantastic next year.

Reverend Conehead · Nov 13, 2020

Ranching said:
I don't understand why someone would want to lose on purpose to draft a player that is not proven. Could put us back another 10 years.......

Players and coaches won't tank to get a high draft pick. Their careers are on the line. Really only fans who think in those terms.

JohnnyHopkins · Nov 13, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
Whoa.....I guess we should all just pack it in then. Why bother with a forum?

To let people write about stuff like this of course!

cern · Nov 13, 2020

Kolemmitt said:
It depends on your definition of tanking.
Do you mean everyone tries their best to win, but you emphasize playing young guys so we can have a clear off-season strategy? Then, yes.
Do you mean that we basically give up in order to get the #1 draft pick? Then, no.

And it's not a QB we are after. It's as much young talent as we can collect onto a defense that will hopefully complement an offense that will be fantastic next year.

great perspective.

Jake · Nov 13, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Now ask us if we would have tanked for Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, Hubert, Burrows etc.

Or Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Johnny Manziel, Mitch Trubisky, Paxton Lynch, or a bunch of other guys. I like Fields, others likes Lawrence, none of us knows. But there are only a handful of QB's I'd pay $35-40 million so I'd roll the dice.

That said, Uncle Jerry will not - that's crazy talk! If the tag wasn't an option he'd have caved this year. It's only a matter of time.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me who this "Burrows" guy is I see people mention here. Reminds me of Michael Irving. :muttley:

GMO415 · Nov 13, 2020

Ranching said:
I don't understand why someone would want to lose on purpose to draft a player that is not proven. Could put us back another 10 years.......

Drafting Donald, Rosen, etc hasn't put those franchises back squat. Rookie QBs aren't signing $50 million dollar contracts anymore.

KingintheNorth · Nov 13, 2020

Ranching said:
I don't understand why someone would want to lose on purpose to draft a player that is not proven. Could put us back another 10 years.......

The 25-year plan we are currently on has gone really well for us.....

You also know that Trevor Lawrence is not Ryan Leaf.

Like others mentioned, I think you are trying too hard here.

Also, we can "tank" all we want (which we aren't doing), We aren't leapfrogging the Jets and Jags to get to Lawrence. The numbers just don't work out.

jjktkk · Nov 13, 2020

Reverend Conehead said:
Players and coaches won't tank to get a high draft pick. Their careers are on the line. Really only fans who think in those terms.

Watching the putrid NY. Jets this season, you could of fooled me.

Ranched · Nov 13, 2020

John813 · Nov 13, 2020

JohnnyHopkins said:
The great news is that we are fans typing words on a forum and have no bearing on what happens on the field at all.

Speak for yourself. I mail every post I make to Jerry Jones. Cease and desist letters won't stop me.

Fastpitch Dad · Nov 13, 2020

Ranching said:
I have an 18 inch scar on my right ankle. Had a complete reconstruction and ligament transplant with 3 titanium screws. Took me 6 months to rehab and it did not hold me back a bit. I'm sure Dak will be 100%.

I'm more impressed at the size of your ankles. Holy cow.

Ranching · Nov 13, 2020

cern said:
great perspective.

It is, but losing on purpose is still losing on purpose

cern · Nov 13, 2020

Fastpitch Dad said:
I'm more impressed at the size of your ankles. Holy cow.

just imagine those thighs.

Ranching · Nov 13, 2020

jjktkk said:
Leaf is a bad example, if you're trying to compare the Cowboys tanking so they have a shot to draft Lawrence. Coming out of WSU, Leef had red flags regarding his character, which, unfortunately, we know the reasons now. No such concerns with Lawrence.

So, you would lose on purpose to draft Lawrence?

cern · Nov 13, 2020

Ranching said:
It is, but losing on purpose is still losing on purpose

if you were referring to @Kolemmitt i don't think he ever mentioned losing deliberately.

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