Twitter: Stephen on TJ Watt: was in “serious contention” to be pick. “I wish we would’ve done that."

ka0tik said:

Dallas needs to always draft better player over “scheme fit”. Hope they learn their lesson.

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I highly doubt they have. Jerry won't admit any mistake after one season. He'll listen to Nolan just like he listened to Linnehan. All he has to hear is "process" and he's sold.

lostar2009 said:

In honesty in regards to Taco vs Watt... Taco was the better fit but Watt was the better player.

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Always draft the better athlete and you will eventually succeed.

Remember this thread next Spring when the Cowboys use that pick y'all are so hopeful about to choose someone nobody here wanted.

Then a few years later we'll get another "Golly gee, willikers! Wish we would've done that," from Jethro Jr.

lostar2009 said:

In honesty in regards to Taco vs Watt... Taco was the better fit but Watt was the better player.

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He really wasn't.

Cowboys already had a strongside DE in Tank AND Crawford.

Cowboys were desperate for weakside pass rusher and TJ was both the better fit and better player.

fivetwos said:

The Gailey thing is what made the Garrett mistake drag on so long.

Jerry has said that one of his biggest mistakes was not giving Gailey more time...so he was hesitant to pull the trigger on Garrett thereafter.

One mistake snowballs into the next.

The drafts around the time of Gailey/Campo were SO awful, theres not a chance in the WORLD Gailey would have done any better if retained. Anyone can see and know that. Except one, who was the culprit behind thinking he can draft players on advice of Larry Lacewell, etc.

Again, more snowballs via not being able to admit mistakes.

That's exactly where the problem lies with this guy....his feelings about personal relationships and loyalty.

I'm a very loyal person, and I get where Jerry comes from at times....but it just doesnt work in his spot. He needs that middleman to do the right thing when needed. Not holding breath. In his mind, no one can do anything better than him.

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Gailey refused to draft Moss and he could not get Aikman to buy into his system.

All I need to know.

ShortRound131 said:

Ya Think?

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Taco much?

A day late and a dollar short. Look at the number of players coming into the league who's fathers or brothers played in the NFL. These players look like they have a leg up on some of their competition. With JJ Watts being a one man wrecking crew when he first appeared on the scene in the NFL, JJ & Co should of know better than to pass on JT Watt when he was available. Taco Charlton ended up being a lousy bust in the Cowboy organization, where as Watt probably would of been a reliable starter for the next decade.

I find the comments by Stephen Jones to be condescending and a sympathy gesture for Stephen to placate fans.

You took a defensive lineman a couple of spots ahead. So what was the problem? Was it you did not know how to spell T. J. Watt on the card submitted for drafting a quality player?

You had midway hucksters and circus clowns making the selection. Funny thing is it is the same jack wagons that have been screwing up drafts and failing to assemble a competent team since Skeletor's ego got the better of him and figured out a way to run off the shining light of Jimmy Johnson and turn this team into an Al Davis run clusterfrick.

Save your wish list, Stephen. Have your urologist put it in the exact spot it deserves the next time you get a colonoscopy.

fivetwos said:

Yeah great....and guess what.....I would in trade all of that in a second to be in another situation than we are right now.

Someone would have bought the Dallas Cowboys as an investment and let them be run correctly as far as football ops, not to placate their own ego.

Sure fine....theres no guarantees there, but I'll about give you a guarantee NOW....this team wont win as currently constructed....for quite some time...if ever.

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Imagine giving up the 90s Cowboys because of recent history lol

KingintheNorth said:

JJ inherited Irvin and the #1 overall pick which everyone and their grandmother knew was going to be Aikman.

"They" (only Jimmy really) only brought in Emmitt, which was a great find because a lot of people had multiple RB's ahead of him.

Even Jimmy was focused on Blair Thomas, who went 2nd overall, and then shifted his sights on Emmitt once he knew he couldn't move up high enough to grab Thomas. On most draft magazines (no websites back then), Emmitt was like the 6th or 7th ranked RB.

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Jimmy was brought in because of Jerry Jones. Such a silly thing that some of you only give credit to Jimmy for all of this. As owner, Jerry made the decision to toss the corpse of Landry out the door and bring in some fresh blood. Irvin wasn't crap before any of this, he became a triplet because of the moves Jerry made. End of. Give credit where it is due.

Eddie said:

If someone else brought the team and hired Jimmy Johnson to the run the show ... yeah, we would have won 3 or more SB's.

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LOL "IF SOMEONE HIRED JIMMY" - the entire reason Jimmy was brought in was due to his connection to Jerry. Jimmy was content being a college coach, he spoke about this. He loved being in Miami, just like he loves being in florida still.

Nobody else was going to convince Jimmy to come to the NFL other than Jerry.

fivetwos said:

I'll take my chances with Irvin and Aikman and another coach and owner.

I was personally fully ready for what Aikman may have done for the end of Landrys career.

I have little doubt that the team had the success they did because of Jimmy's contributions, but please dont try to tell me we wouldnt be much better off now than having a 78 year old oil man and his nitwit kid in charge for the rest of our lives.

Dont try it. Just stop.

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The entire reason the great train robbery happened WAS BECAUSE Jerry was behind the idea. Jimmy was basically just throwing out ideas, and Jerry was enough of a gambling man to go through with it. You "taking your chances" would most likely have you end up with 0 rings or less than 3 and not have one of the best RBs in NFL history be a Cowboy. You are cutting out an important chunk of Cowboys history, heck, not to mention you are even HURTING the NFL by removing Jerry.

Go for a walk or something. You're posting nonsense.

mattjames2010 said:

The entire reason the great train robbery happened WAS BECAUSE Jerry was behind the idea. Jimmy was basically just throwing out ideas, and Jerry was enough of a gambling man to go through with it. You "taking your chances" would most likely have you end up with 0 rings or less than 3 and not have one of the best RBs in NFL history be a Cowboy. You are cutting out an important chunk of Cowboys history, heck, not to mention you are even HURTING the NFL by removing Jerry.

Go for a walk or something. You're posting nonsense.

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LOL .....

ShortRound131 said:

Ya Think?

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Post hoc wishes mean nothing. I wish I had picked the right lotto numbers last week.

Are they *changing* anything about their draft procedures because of that "wish"?

A legitimate answer would be "no". Not every decision that turns out poorly in the rear view mirror was a bad one.

But we spent a first on a guy who wasn't exceptional physically, didn't produce that well, and had personality red flags, because he was physically the right size for something we wanted. Classic pick for "need" over *everything else*.

Meanwhile, we passed on a guy who would fulfill half that need and was otherwise a blue chip candidate.

I think the problem wasn't Marinelli, it was treating picks as a "it's your turn" basis for a coordinator, let alone a HC. Coaches generally come and go, and that's certainly true of coordinators. The front office needs a football vision for the team, and needs to hire coaches and sign picks accordingly.

Marinelli was a bad pick as DC. Worse to let him "buy his groceries". I think he was way too much identified with his Dline Whisperer reputation, and so too easily dismissed personality concerns on players.

That's fine to do for dumpster diving. Not fine for a 1st round pick of meh quality.

JayFord said:

It is what it is on these draft picks......and I was hyped for Charlton I thought year one would be a struggle but year two and beyond he would average double digit sacks

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When they first picked Taco, the story was he was ready for the position from day one. Once he hit camp, that instantly changed to "well, we gotta develop him".

As much as I'm down for a good dog piling of Little Enos and Dino-Rod, let's not make believe that T.J. Watt was a slam dunk, absolutely clean prospect. Watt had two ACL reconstructions on the same knee while at Wisconsin. With all of the history of the Cowboys selecting guys with known injury issues, does anyone think for a minute that Watt would have stayed healthy in Dallas?

Plankton said:

As much as I'm down for a good dog piling of Little Enos and Dino-Rod, let's not make believe that T.J. Watt was a slam dunk, absolutely clean prospect. Watt had two ACL reconstructions on the same knee while at Wisconsin. With all of the history of the Cowboys selecting guys with known injury issues, does anyone think for a minute that Watt would have stayed healthy in Dallas?

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Nice point.

mattjames2010 said:

The entire reason the great train robbery happened WAS BECAUSE Jerry was behind the idea. Jimmy was basically just throwing out ideas, and Jerry was enough of a gambling man to go through with it. You "taking your chances" would most likely have you end up with 0 rings or less than 3 and not have one of the best RBs in NFL history be a Cowboy. You are cutting out an important chunk of Cowboys history, heck, not to mention you are even HURTING the NFL by removing Jerry.

Go for a walk or something. You're posting nonsense.

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it’s hilarious how you try to minimize the brilliance of the Walker trade by saying Jimmy was just throwing out ideas and giving Jerry credit for the idea itself. Careful you don’t pull something while attempting these mental gymnastics. Incredible...

ottawacowpoke said:

it’s hilarious how you try to minimize the brilliance of the Walker trade by saying Jimmy was just throwing out ideas and giving Jerry credit for the idea itself. Careful you don’t pull something while attempting these mental gymnastics. Incredible...

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I am not "minimizing" anything, I watched the documentary a few years ago on this. It was basically "I was on a jog and had this idea and ran it by Jerry". I didn't "minimize" it at all, Jimmy came up with the idea and Jerry went through with it. I never "Gave Jerry the credit for the idea" - what the hell are you even talking about? Don't ever put words in my mouth again, boy. I gave credit TO BOTH of them, as in, without Jimmy there is no 90s Cowboys, without Jerry, there is no 90s Cowboys.

Hell, in that same documentary, Jimmy was making calls for trades and was getting responses like "This isn't college, Jimmy" - Jimmy needed a gambling owner like Jerry to get done what he wanted. They BOTH started the blockbuster trade stuff. So, you want to try to again? Sorry that my post goes against this boards crybaby narrative that Jerry is the devil and was never a key piece to the 90s Cowboys.

Sarge said:

Everyone BUT you knew he was the pick Stephen.

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That’s actually not true. Watt has outplayed a lot of players drafted ahead of him, including several drafted as edge pass rushers, so clearly a lot of teams and scouts underestimated him.