I give. Let's talk Zeke money

RonnieT24 · Nov 18, 2020

starfan1 said:
it was a stupid contract and we cant get out of it until 2022 without significant cap implications and because the offensive line has regressed so has he because of this and because of wear and tear to his body. stupid pick and stupid extension but Jerry is not a stranger to these.

and youre right it isnt my money but impacts the team that I root for and their ability to get better. if they are going to overpay players it should to a different position

No it doesn't.. People post here every day that you can get better backs than Zeke in the 6th or 7th round that will cost you next to nothing.. If I'm not mistaken Zeke is making less this season than he would have made on his 5th year option.. which the Cowboys undoubtedly would have picked up. His salary is 6.8 mil. His cap hit this year is 10.9 mil and goes to 13.7 next year. Then 16.5 in 2022 but none of that is guaranteed. If he returns to form next year the salary will be a bargain.. If not they can move on in 2022 with relatively little impact. Why people seem to wanna freak out over these things is baffling to me. I hate to break to you guys but just because YOU want a player gone doesn't mean the team has to..

jwooten15 · Nov 18, 2020

blueblood70 said:
no we dont , we as fans watch football , that It ..follow your favorite players, water cooler talk, trash talk, attend games wear jerseys etc..

we are NOT agents, FO, owners ,or have anything to do with Money and contracts.. do you own stock in the DC? I doubt it they dont sell it last i checked so it not our concern what player makes..

never should this come into play for Fan, you want to discus it. go ahead, its moot point we are not here to worry about the cap..teams are fielded we watch it...that is IT!

So you don’t care if the Cowboys win or lose? You watch them just to pass time and have cooler talk opportunities?

Because if you do care about the Cowboys team success, you’re obligated to consider salary cap and how much (%) an individual’s contract is taking — especially if that individual(s) is underperforming.

I honestly can’t believe I’m even having to defend my line of thought. This isn’t Major League Baseball where you can just pay a penalty for investing beyond the cap. It’s a hard cap, and if a guy making a ton of that cap money isn’t performing well, it affects opportunities for success

kskboys · Nov 18, 2020

jwooten15 said:
So you don’t care if the Cowboys win or lose? You watch them just to pass time and have cooler talk opportunities?

Because if you do care about the Cowboys team success, you’re obligated to consider salary cap and how much (%) an individual’s contract is taking — especially if that individual(s) is underperforming.

I honestly can’t believe I’m even having to defend my line of thought. This isn’t Major League Baseball where you can just pay a penalty for investing beyond the cap. It’s a hard cap, and if a guy making a ton of that cap money isn’t performing well, it affects opportunities for success

Excellent post.

lkelly · Nov 18, 2020

This is somewhat mean spirited, but this is the best financial outcome for Dallas:

Zeke gets arrested or accused of some conduct that bothers the league. His guaranteed money certainly is voided, allowing Dallas to release him whenever they like. Jacksonville was able to do the same thing with Fournette.

Not saying that Jerry should have him over for drinks and then put him behind the wheel, but such a scenario would be the out Dallas needs. I'm sure Zeke's agent has stressed how important it is for his client to toe the line off the field. Then again, he's probably gotten that advice many times before and hasn't bothered to listen. Who knows.

Aviano90 · Nov 18, 2020

I honestly don't care about his money. I don't even really care about drafting him #4 overall. And I disagreed with both, but that is crying over spilled milk.

The only thing I care about is that Zeke be the best player he can be for the Dallas Cowboys and I don't think he has been that player since 2016. The Zeke that was drafted should have been crushing the league for years and he just didn't do that and I don't need some rushing titles in a passing league as proof he has been great. Dude should have been pushing 2k yards rushing annually. That's my problem with Zeke.

MyFairLady · Nov 18, 2020

jwooten15 said:
I honestly can’t believe I’m even having to defend my line of thought.

This is not a place of rational thinking. You are not welcome here.

kskboys · Nov 18, 2020

MyFairLady said:
This is not a place of rational thinking. You are not welcome here.

And if someone does not want to consider salary cap implications, then for Bog's sake why post in threads that are about exactly that?

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 18, 2020

The Quest for Six said:
Pollard should be the starting running back

I'll take this as intentional trolling.

G2 · Nov 18, 2020

Aviano90 said:
I honestly don't care about his money. I don't even really care about drafting him #4 overall. And I disagreed with both, but that is crying over spilled milk.

The only thing I care about is that Zeke be the best player he can be for the Dallas Cowboys and I don't think he has been that player since 2016. The Zeke that was drafted should have been crushing the league for years and he just didn't do that and I don't need some rushing titles in a passing league as proof he has been great. Dude should have been pushing 2k yards rushing annually. That's my problem with Zeke.

You'd be hard pressed to find any RB who's not only the same as 4 years ago and also the same behind the two O lines. 2020 has been an utter mess. The offense also changed from a run first offense, which I thought was the plan, to passing nonstop in an attempt to match the points the defense allows.
I wouldn't have drafted any RB 4th overall or even in the first half of the first round. I also wouldn't have extended his contract earlier than what his rookie contract entailed. Same idea as drafting a WR with the first pick. That's why I don't get tied down to the overall best player philosophy.

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 18, 2020

jwooten15 said:
So you don’t care if the Cowboys win or lose? You watch them just to pass time and have cooler talk opportunities?

Because if you do care about the Cowboys team success, you’re obligated to consider salary cap and how much (%) an individual’s contract is taking — especially if that individual(s) is underperforming.

I honestly can’t believe I’m even having to defend my line of thought. This isn’t Major League Baseball where you can just pay a penalty for investing beyond the cap. It’s a hard cap, and if a guy making a ton of that cap money isn’t performing well, it affects opportunities for success

I mean you can "care". And it makes nice small talk. But being a fan is LARGELY...cheering on who you got. Don't you think?

Or are we playing fantasy GM rather then being fans?

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 18, 2020

Streetwise said:
You'd be hard pressed to find any RB who's not only the same as 4 years ago and also the same behind the two O lines. 2020 has been an utter mess. The offense also changed from a run first offense, which I thought was the plan, to passing nonstop in an attempt to match the points the defense allows.
I wouldn't have drafted any RB 4th overall or even in the first half of the first round. I also wouldn't have extend his contract earlier than what his rookie contract entailed. Same idea as drafting a WR with the first pick. That's why I don't get tied down to the overall best player philosophy.

It's my opinion that if you had anyone but Zeke....Dak would have been injured a long time ago. Look at Dak's highlights and see how many times zeke is throwing blocks, or a safe outlet (and for good yards/1st downs too)...not to mention lots of carries to keep them off him (oh I did mention)

Aviano90 · Nov 18, 2020

Streetwise said:
You'd be hard pressed to find any RB who's not only the same as 4 years ago and also the same behind the two O lines. 2020 has been an utter mess. The offense also changed from a run first offense, which I thought was the plan, to passing nonstop in an attempt to match the points the defense allows.
I wouldn't have drafted any RB 4th overall or even in the first half of the first round. I also wouldn't have extend his contract earlier than what his rookie contract entailed. Same idea as drafting a WR with the first pick. That's why I don't get tied down to the overall best player philosophy.

The dude's decline was noticeable in 2017. Morris looked better and quicker than Zeke did. People just didn't want to believe their eyes. Even in the All or Nothing that was shown after the season, Zeke was shown to be disinterested in team meetings, looking like he was hung over from partying the night before.

jwooten15 · Nov 18, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I mean you can "care". And it makes nice small talk. But being a fan is LARGELY...cheering on who you got. Don't you think?

Or are we playing fantasy GM rather then being fans?

I get the point you’re trying to make. In the present tense (the current season, game to game, etc), we as fans have no control over the salary cap or salaries. So I agree with there. The $ doesn’t necessarily “matter” and doesn’t have an affect on games. We cheer for victories and that’s about it.

But I n the long term, the salary cap does matter and to me, as a fan, it helps to be as informed as possible. I consider the consequences/constrictions that contracts might have because if the front office invests in the wrong players, we won’t be seeing many victories. That’s what I mean when I say that “caring” about the cap does matter

Sydla · Nov 18, 2020

RonnieT24 said:
Why? Until Jerry passes the hat and asks me to help pay a player's salary I am more interested in how much fuel the space shuttle burns than am what a player is getting paid. At least the space shuttle was built and launched with my tax dollars.. Wait.. is that still true now that SpaceX is building and launching them?

You should care about how much a player makes and how much cap space he eats up. That has a direct effect on how flexible a team can be with their roster, how they can build a team, etc.

G2 · Nov 18, 2020

Aviano90 said:
The dude's decline was noticeable in 2017. Morris looked better and quicker than Zeke did. People just didn't want to believe their eyes. Even in the All or Nothing that was shown after the season, Zeke was shown to be disinterested in team meetings, looking like he was hung over from partying the night before.

I can't deny Elliott looked different, just like I noticed this season early on I thought he showed a little more burst. Short lived as it was. But I can't use him and Morris as a point of comparison unless it's Apples to Apples.

G2 · Nov 18, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
It's my opinion that if you had anyone but Zeke....Dak would have been injured a long time ago. Look at Dak's highlights and see how many times zeke is throwing blocks, or a safe outlet (and for good yards/1st downs too)...not to mention lots of carries to keep them off him (oh I did mention)

I certainly have a respect for his ability to throw blocks, no question. I don't know that it would translate to Prescott getting injured though.

Sydla · Nov 18, 2020

blueblood70 said:
no we dont , we as fans watch football , that It ..follow your favorite players, water cooler talk, trash talk, attend games wear jerseys etc..

we are NOT agents, FO, owners ,or have anything to do with Money and contracts.. do you own stock in the DC? I doubt it they dont sell it last i checked so it not our concern what player makes..

never should this come into play for Fan, you want to discus it. go ahead, its moot point we are not here to worry about the cap..teams are fielded we watch it...that is IT!

LOL.

So basically, just watch games and shut up. Don't discuss your favorite team (unless you want be a total homer like you are), don't point out flaws, don't criticize players, don't question the roster, etc.

Sydla · Nov 18, 2020

Creeper said:
First, I do not think the league is just going to allow the cap to plummet to $175 million next year. If that happens the entire league is screwed. Teams would be releasing players all over the place and no one teams would be able to sign them because they'd have their own cap problems. The league will come up with some kind of emergency provision, the players will agree to it and the cap will remain about the same.

As for Zeke, the issue is still Dak. If the Cowboys have to franchise Dak again they must reserve $37.5 million in CAP space to do it. Right now, the Cowboys are projected to have about $34 million in CAP space, but that's for 40 players. Rookie could fill some of those roster spots on the cheap, but they would still need to free up CAP space to make sure they can franchise Dak - or they have to agree to a long term deal with Dak that is CAP friendly in years 1 and 2. Still, cutting Zeke makes all this almost financially impossible. Extending Zeke was dumb, but guaranteeing his money for the following year in 2020 and 2021 was really dumb.

As for Zeke, we've been saying on this board for more than 2 years Zeke looks slower. I actually think he is as fast this year as he was last, but he is still slower than he was as a rookie. Pollard only accentuates how slow Zeke looks.

One, yeah, I think it's possible that $175 million could be the cap. That was the negotiated floor by the owners and NFLPA. They didn't pick that number out of a random hat, I think both the NFLPA and owners have a good idea of the range that cap will be. And I suspect it will be below this year's cap (maybe not as far as the $175 million floor however).

Aviano90 · Nov 18, 2020

Streetwise said:
I can't deny Elliott looked different, just like I noticed this season early on I thought he showed a little more burst. Short lived as it was. But I can't use him and Morris as a point of comparison unless it's Apples to Apples.

That's part of my disappointment with Zeke. There should be no comparison whatsoever. Zeke should hands down blow him out of the water. Morris that year had to play the 6 games Zeke was suspended. The first 3 were when the line was at its absolute worst with injuries and Chaz Green was a turnstile. Morris also faced a greater percentage of his rushes with 8+ in the box than Zeke faced that year. If we're going to spend premium resources on a generational running back, we need that dude to be generational.

jwooten15 · Nov 18, 2020

Sydla said:
One, yeah, I think it's possible that $175 million could be the cap. That was the negotiated floor by the owners and NFLPA. They didn't pick that number out of a random hat, I think both the NFLPA and owners have a good idea of the range that cap will be. And I suspect it will be below this year's cap (maybe not as far as the $175 million floor however).

What do you think Jerry would do (roster-wise) if the cap were to drop that drastically over one off season? I know it’s unrelated to this thread, but I'm curious to hear your take

I give. Let's talk Zeke money

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