Jerry Jones: Dak stats are “garbage time” [Personal Opinion Included]

Big D · Nov 19, 2020

If we had hit on the Poe and McCoy additions none of this would be an issue. Fix the DT position and we fix 70% of what ails us.

Diehardblues · Nov 19, 2020

kevm3 said:
That's a terrible negotiating strategy. That's going to make Dak dismiss any notion of taking a home town discount.

Dak might not have a choice if he wants to remain here.

If 2020 was intended for him to elevate himself then I’m not sure he has with how this season begun and his brutal injury which should provide some pause that he will in effect be everything he was before.

kskboys · Nov 19, 2020

None of that matters. What matters is that Jerry should be keeping his thoughts in house. You absolutely do not say crapp like this publicly. Idiot.

Diehardblues · Nov 19, 2020

kevm3 said:
Dak would be smart to leave this dumpster fire. Don't let the Jones boys ruin your career. You can make just as much money and potentially get a championship anywhere. Let the next drafted QB put up 'garbage time' stats when the defense is giving up 40 a game.

While our defense has been a big issue remember that our turnovers were contributing to about 16 points a game.

In the one game we didn’t have turnovers against the Rams our defense only gave up 20 points but much like last year when we had a 12th ranked defense our offense struggled putting up points against winning record teams only averaging 17 points in all 8 of our losses.

Diehardblues · Nov 19, 2020

kskboys said:
None of that matters. What matters is that Jerry should be keeping his thoughts in house. You absolutely do not say crapp like this publicly. Idiot.

Bingo... but he does and what makes our franchise an embarrassment and dysfunctional. Total idiot .
And why we are what we are. Lol

RS12 · Nov 19, 2020

Risen Star said:
That guy makes a lot of good points.

IQ of frying pan? LOL! Guess Dak and his head coach have something in common.

gjkoeppen · Nov 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Dak might not have a choice if he wants to remain here.

If 2020 was intended for him to elevate himself then I’m not sure he has with how this season begun and his brutal injury which should provide some pause that he will in effect be everything he was before.

I think that those who question Prescott like to use this oh he might not be the same reason yet the doctors have said that in 4-6 months he'll be good to go and not a single one has even hinted that his injury could or would affect his playing. I look at it like we as fans don't question every player who has an injury and has surgery as being done or question how they will play when they come back, but with Prescott some like to use that reason.
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RonnieT24 · Nov 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Yea, it’s not so much prevent as it is just us going into passing mode. One dimensional offense in order to play catch up.

Not just passing mode but also a lot of hurry up. Hurry up offense shifts the advantage to the offense because the guy calling the plays is the guy who is going to run them.. and very few QBs call plays that they are not comfortable with.. The QB is also the one standing in the huddle and seeing that Amari is gassed so he has the good sense not to call a 9 route for him. Maybe call it for Gallup... He can also tell when the biguns blocking for him are starting to get gassed so he can take that into account as well. Maybe call a running play here and there so the guys can fire out and tie up their man and not have to chase a DE all the way across the formation. He can look a lineman in the eye and ask "can you move that focker out of there so we can get this one yard?" Meanwhile the defense gets on its heels and if and ONLY IF, the QB and his receivers are good enough, does the offense move the ball and score 24 points in the blink of an eye. Witness how the same receivers became allergic to moving the ball and scoring since other QBs have been taking snaps.

khiladi · Nov 19, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Go to 18:30 and hear good old Jerry tell it like it is and why Dak will never get a contract this Spring!

I love it! Jerry was calm and collected and sane. He probably got tired of listening to all the nonsense from guys like Aikman about how they don’t need a new QB and need to fill the roster. Of course Jerry has been saying for years that they need to surround Dak with a bunch of talent if they are going to win, meaning he’s not worth what he is demanding. The irony is everybody and their mother said this was a SB roster this year and now they are blaming Jerry...

Sevenup3000 · Nov 19, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Yall gotta stop with this nonsense.

Volume stats for a QB are overrated. Especially in the manner in which Dak accrued them in. He was 10th in passer rating.

Its like saying 2012 was Romo’s best season when it was actually his worst.

Dak’s best season still is 2016. Its a damn shame you homers want to pay him and he still hasnt repeat what he did as a rookie

Didn't people of your ilk tell us that Dalton would more than make up for the absence of Dak? Didn't you also tell us that anybody can produce what Dak can given "all the talent on offense"?

Why has the Cowboys only produced 2 TDs in 4 full games without Dak?

Jimbo69 · Nov 19, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
The cap hit on next years cap isn't going to be nearly as bad as some think it will be. Normally teams are allowed to carryover 5% of the cap to the following season. This year because of the virus, for just this season, the owners approved allowing teams to carryover unlimited amount to next years cap. The Cowboys will have about 25 mil carryover. Now back to July 15th and the last hour or so Prescott was doing his own negotiating and they agreed on 35m mil a year but could get the guaranteed amount done before time ran out. So subtract that 25 mil carryover from that 35 mil and that leaves 10 mil that will count against next years cap and that's not crippling at all.

I am normal expert but this article gives the cowboys projected cap situation after any carry over and it dont look good to me.

https://overthecap.com/looking-ahead-to-2021-salary-cap-space/
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khiladi · Nov 19, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Have no idea why it was edited the man said it as clear as day.....THE DEFENSE WAS LETTING US MOVE THE BALL???

Apparently, defenses don’t let offense move the ball, giving up the underneath not to risk big plays, in order to burn time and just win the game.

PAPPYDOG · Nov 19, 2020

Sevenup3000 said:
Didn't people of your ilk tell us that Dalton would more than make up for the absence of Dak? Didn't you also tell us that anybody can produce what Dak can given "all the talent on offense"?

Why has the Cowboys only produced 2 TDs in 4 full games without Dak?

Reminds of the year Zeke was out for 6 games where we broke and set a new record going 15 str8 Quarters of offense without 1 TD.

phildadon86 · Nov 19, 2020

Sevenup3000 said:
Didn't people of your ilk tell us that Dalton would more than make up for the absence of Dak? Didn't you also tell us that anybody can produce what Dak can given "all the talent on offense"?

Why has the Cowboys only produced 2 TDs in 4 full games without Dak?

Because of injuries to the OL. Or so ive heard here.

Rockport · Nov 19, 2020

kevm3 said:
Dak would be smart to leave this dumpster fire. Don't let the Jones boys ruin your career. You can make just as much money and potentially get a championship anywhere. Let the next drafted QB put up 'garbage time' stats when the defense is giving up 40 a game.

Why in the hell are you even here? Just to whine?

khiladi · Nov 19, 2020

JJHLH1 said:
Jerry is known for having a keen, logical, discerning, penetrating football mind.

Meanwhile Dalton, DiNucci, and Gilbert remain winless.

Dalton beat the Giants and Dak has one win after five starts in an offense built for him because Atlanta, a team known for blowing a whole bunch of multiple score leads this whole year, forgot to fall on the ball..

RonnieT24 · Nov 19, 2020

Diehardblues said:
While our defense has been a big issue remember that our turnovers were contributing to about 16 points a game.

In the one game we didn’t have turnovers against the Rams our defense only gave up 20 points but much like last year when we had a 12th ranked defense our offense struggled putting up points against winning record teams only averaging 17 points in all 8 of our losses.

I would dispute this assessment for the simple reason that some of the turnovers occurred past midfield and as such the defense should not get a pass for allowing a team to march 50+ yards for a TD just because there was a turnover. Any turnover outside our own 30 yard line the defense should at least be held accountable to holding them to a FG. Something they only accomplished once in the first 5 games as I recall. If they had done it a few more times this team might have been 4-1 under Dak and not 2-3. Yes the offense struggled against better defenses last year but if you recall I posted before last season began that that might be the case with Moore being SO inexperienced as a play caller. I anticipated that better DCs would undress him. And they did. I didn't think it would be 6-8 games but I fully expected Moore to be in over his head some last year. To his credit he (and Dak) were both considerably better this year. Still not perfect but there were signs that they were getting there. The main thing I will be looking for them to fix next season is the slow start business. Garrett and Linehan were masters of the opening drive TD. I mean I think it was 11 or 12 times in 2016 they scored a TD its opening drive. I can't remember the last time this team did that. My theory is that it comes down to the initial scripted plays. I think Moore focuses too much on trying to get defenses to show him all their coverages and not enough on just trying to score. We come into every game knowing what our favorable matchups are.. Yet it often takes us a quarter and a half to start exploiting it. Do that from the opening gun and I suspect the slow starts will become a thing of the past.

DallasEast · Nov 19, 2020

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gjkoeppen · Nov 19, 2020

Jimbo69 said:
I am normal expert but this article gives the cowboys projected cap situation after any carry over and it dont look good to me.

https://overthecap.com/looking-ahead-to-2021-salary-cap-space/

Here's the two problems with your link. First it's from Aug.10th when it was still under the normal rule of only allowing a 5% carryover. Second as of right now, the Cowboys have 27 mil and with the exception to the rule approved by the owners for just this season in Sept., that's 27 mil they will carryover to next years cap.
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khiladi · Nov 19, 2020

Dak put up 7 points against Atlanta in year 2, with Frederick, Martin and Collins still in and couldn’t post double digit scoring against any winning team, despite the running game. And this was in his second year in an offense tailored for him and all his supporters blamed it on Smith being out, but when the whole OL is shot they are using a loss against the Steelers number 1 ranked defense when led by a guy Garrett Gibbert, who had like one week in this offense, who actually put up 19 points with only Zach Martin back in the line-up, 12 more than the major powerhouse that was Atlanta back then with only Smith out as proof of Dak carrying this franchise..

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