Zeke cannot do what Pollard does

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 24, 2020

Streetwise said:
I was thinking about that. Elliott really never had a lot of longer runs. I'm sure he's slowed down over the years in general, but I wonder if his top end speed was more perception in terms of how he's used. He's not a guy I'd want doing sweeps or end arounds. Seems to get stuffed.

When did he do sweeps and end arounds?

atlantacowboy · Nov 24, 2020

Streetwise said:
I'm talking about your claim: "Zeke gets more carries b/c he makes 20x more money. Pollard has earned more playing time and a bigger role. But, Jerry has get his money's worth out of Zeke's contract and that pretty much dictates the offense."
Keep up.

So, how exactly did you make the leap from "Pollard earning a bigger role and more playing time" to every down player? Its a leap that makes no sense. I'm clearly not advocating Pollard play every down. If Zeke gets 15 carries and Pollard gets 10, that would align with my opinion.

My guess is that reading comprehension isn't your forte'.

SumGuy · Nov 24, 2020

Streetwise said:
You read what you want, even though I clearly illustrated my opinion on drafting and extending Elliott. Labeling me a Zeke lover is what people lower themselves to with not real argument.
Tell you what, we'll see what happens at the end of the season. We'll see which guy has a better season. I'd still take Elliott over Hunt. Hunt isn't even the best RB on his team and also, I think he and Pollard compliment each other just fine.

Your exact words: "there are certain fans that have their mind made up on hating on a player" -- so guess you were the one with no argument then? Maybe at season's-end Elliot ends up with a better season than Hunt (though right now he isn't) -- my point is the same, he's twice the price tag as Hunt is. Hunt has almost the same # of yards as Elliot this season and he isn't even the primary back on his team. Again, Elliot is a good back but the question is -- is he worth the price tag? To the objective fan, that isn't as cut and dry of a decision. Put your emotions aside, and you'll come around to see reality.

Runwildboys · Nov 24, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
When did he do sweeps and end arounds?

He said. "He's not a guy I'd want doing sweeps or end arounds." That would seem to be a hypothetical statement.

G2 · Nov 24, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
When did he do sweeps and end arounds?

Not often at all. My point was he's more effective north and south. I can find specifics when I have time. Some has to do with edge blocking and our O line has struggled this season.

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 24, 2020

Runwildboys said:
He said. "He's not a guy I'd want doing sweeps or end arounds." That would seem to be a hypothetical statement.

It is...but is it a "realistic statement"

Oh look I can use red fonts TOO!

Idgit · Nov 24, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
Yes of course I am talking about RB...jeesus christ dude. It;'s what we been talking about the whole time. And besides...Dak NEVER played #2 in his life as a cowboy..

Don’t be that guy. QB is the preeminent position in football where “everybody’s favorite player is the backup.” I wasn’t sure if we were talking about backups in general or about the position of RB specifically. So I gave you an example of each.

Cowboy Lover said:
Yes..Demarco Murray. I wish I would have said "except Demarco Murray"...but he was never our prototypical #2 flash-n-slash player.
Do you got anything else? Should I list the legit #2's slashers that Pollard fits the mold of?

Pollard is no Murray and surely you understand that. But then...you think we're talking QB's who never even PLAYED as #2's.....so...well never mind.

Barber would be your next most-recent example, backing up Julius Jones. Although DeMarco proves the point, so we don’t really need another example. The league is littered with mid-round backs who deliver starters’ reps.

We aren’t talking about “slashers,” so I’m not sure why you brought that up. But physically, there’s no reason to think Pollard couldn’t be a starter in this league. The whole playbook is available when he’s in the lineup.

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 24, 2020

Streetwise said:
Not often at all. My point was he's more effective north and south. I can find specifics when I have time. Some has to do with edge blocking and our O line has struggled this season.

Why mention something he never does? Weird.

G2 · Nov 24, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
So, how exactly did you make the leap from "Pollard earning a bigger role and more playing time" to every down player? Its a leap that makes no sense. I'm clearly not advocating Pollard play every down. If Zeke gets 15 carries and Pollard gets 10, that would align with my opinion.

My guess is that reading comprehension isn't your forte'.

You suggested that Elliott gets more carries because he gets paid what he does and Jones needs to get his moneys worth. That's beyond silly. Elliott is just plain better. Period. Giving Pollard more carries and Elliott only 15 carries would be a foolish mistake based on your conjecture. Insult me all you want, that doesn't change the facts. The team does a better job when Elliott gets more carries, not less.

G2 · Nov 24, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
Why mention something he never does? Weird.

I didn't.

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 24, 2020

Idgit said:
Don’t be that guy. QB is the preeminent position in football where “everybody’s favorite player is the backup.” I wasn’t sure if we were talking about backups in general or about the position of RB specifically. So I gave you an example of each.

Barber would be your next most-recent example, backing up Julius Jones.

We aren’t talking about “slashers,” so I’m not sure why you brought that up. But physically, there’s no reason to think Pollard couldn’t be a starter in this league. The whole playbook is available when he’s in the lineup.

LOL..."that guy" telling me not to be "that guy".

Isn;t Pollard a "slasher/burner speedster/change of pace? Sure looks like it to me. NOT ZEKE. Not just a #2 backup/spell #1 .....I thought this topic was totally clear. Man..people...I just keep hating them more and more.

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 24, 2020

Streetwise said:
I didn't.

Things are getting a bit confusing here...but ...if you didn't MENTION it you seem to be supporting it?

Anyway...my apologies if I thought you said something you didn't. You are welcome to clarify.

Runwildboys · Nov 24, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
It is...but is it a "realistic statement"

Oh look I can use red fonts TOO!

And you can also use quotation marks for no reason. I used the red font to emphasize the words that made it a hypothetical statement, since you didn't seem to catch it when you read the original post.

G2 · Nov 24, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
Things are getting a bit confusing here...but ...if you didn't MENTION it you seem to be supporting it?

Anyway...my apologies if I thought you said something you didn't. You are welcome to clarify.

Jesus.... Elliott has over the years, while both rarely and unsuccessfully, run to the outside on sweeps. I remember it. That's why I replied not often. It's also why I stated it's not something I would have him do.

CowboyRoy · Nov 24, 2020

SumGuy said:
Then by your logic you'd rather have Frank Gore as your starter today based on his "body of work". Hey, Gore has way more yards and starts than Zeke, and those seem to be the metrics you care about -- you want to talk weak angles? Sorry but that's ridiculous -- when deciding on a RB for this year, I think I'll focus on the stats from this year (maybe a little from last year), not what happened many years ago. You can go back to Zeke's prime years if it helps your narrative. I'm going to focus on the present, though.

Also, you were the one that threw out the "who has more yards" as though that's the only metric you should go by when selecting a RB, you never said a word about averages. And this has nothing to do with whose money it is or who's in control, I am saying if given the choice, with the current salary cap rules of the NFL and the current play from Zeke & Hunt, then yes I'd rather have Hunt (or anyone with similar stats at much less pay). Or at the very least it isn't as obvious a choice to the objective observer as it is to Zeke-lovers.

Amazing................all that hot air and the end of it all............................I am saying if given the choice, with the current salary cap rules of the NFL and the current play from Zeke & Hunt, then yes I'd rather have Hunt.

Idgit · Nov 24, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
LOL..."that guy" telling me not to be "that guy".

Isn;t Pollard a "slasher/burner speedster/change of pace? Sure looks like it to me. NOT ZEKE. Not just a #2 backup/spell #1 .....I thought this topic was totally clear. Man..people...I just keep hating them more and more.

You’re barely able to have a reasonable discussion in a sports forum. You’re not in any position to be hating on people in general. But you do you.

I’m sorry you like Zeke so much that it gets in the way of your ability to recognize that RBs outside the first round make starters in this league with regularity, but it’s the case.

Corso · Nov 24, 2020

Runwildboys said:
And you can also use quotation marks for no reason. I used the red font to emphasize the words that made it a hypothetical statement, since you didn't seem to catch it when you read the original post.

You need me to put on the knucks, boss?

starfan1 · Nov 24, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
Ah...nice take. The only thing I don't understand is that you "can't stand him" (Ramsey) so I think at the end of the day you would have judged him unfairly. I mean...you are trying to change the timeline ...but how do you know how things go when you do that? If the cowboys can't consistently put together a game plan for zeke, or Byron Jones....why would you expect a great game plan for Ramsey? A "better value"? For how long?

Great talking points but....can't hang your hat on it as a sure thing.

Good and fair questions perhaps Ramsey is a different person if cowboys drafted him and maybe not but him and Byron together the boys may have had tough time keeping both he’ll they could not keep 1

SumGuy · Nov 24, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Amazing................all that hot air and the end of it all............................I am saying if given the choice, with the current salary cap rules of the NFL and the current play from Zeke & Hunt, then yes I'd rather have Hunt.

Not sure I follow. My statements throughout this thread have been consistent. Zeke is a decent back, but the question is whether he's worth the contract. Given the current contracts, salary caps, and production, then I'd lean toward Hunt (or any back with similar production for less money). What are you debating exactly?

Corso · Nov 24, 2020

SumGuy said:
Not sure I follow. My statements throughout this thread have been consistent. Zeke is a decent back, but the question is whether he's worth the contract. Given the current contracts, salary caps, and production, then I'd lean toward Hunt (or any back with similar production for less money). What are you debating exactly?

He's just a rambling dude who thinks he's always right and doesn't truly get arguments, or what you're trying to say.

It's happened to me with him on more than one occasion.
He's a bit dense and aggressive about whatever is in his brain at the moment.

Not a bad person though. I think...

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