Andy Dalton Appreciation Thread

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We were about average in scoring in the first half. 18th in 1st quarter scoring and 13th in 2nd quarter scoring. This year when Dak went down I believe we were tied for 16th in first quarter scoring and tied for 9th in 2nd quarter scoring, if memory is correct. Then we were 6th in 3rd quarter and 1st in 4th quarter scoring.

Here is a link that tracks it:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/1st-quarter-points-per-game

You can change by quarter and year.
nothing but facts to debunk myths and false perceptions...if we didn't score 20 points in the first half the Dak detractors would be unhappy.....scoring 12-15 points in a half is usual for most teams.....doing the same for two halves, puts you in the 24-30 point range for the game.......like I said, perception and agenda go a long way to creating false narratives
 

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I agree. There aren't any negative threads about Dalton because overall...he played well.

He outplayed Smith yet Washington scored over 40 points. That's the issue.

The pick 6 when the game was out of sight is irrelevant. Washington brought the house and the back up to the back up o line caved in like a pack of cards. If that had happened in the first half then chances are Dalton just takes the sack. But as the team were in a hopeless situation he took the risk of following through with yet another horrific play call.

We wouldn't have won with Prescott yesterday...did people not actually see the game!? The coaches gave the opposition 14 points on a plate, Zeke fumbled again in his own half and Lamb failed to catch an easy TD.

Dalton even extended drives by running for third downs.

Where Dalton was disappointing was that he didn't audible and change enough of the horrific play calls (E.g . dumping off screens which didn't work and he should have thrown more deep balls). Also, I couldn't believe he didn't get the snap off before their defender was running off for either a 5 yards penalty or a free deep shot. So disappointed with that. You would expect all of that to be meat and drink to a vet guy like Dalton. But I guess that lack of swagger and backbone is why he hasn't been more successful in the nfl.

Overall Dalton played well enough for a rookie or Vet QB on a cheap deal to have won. That's why there aren't a load of negative threads about his performance in a game where he actually played well.
There aren't many negative threads on Dalton because how many different ways can we tell the Dak Haters that Andy sucks and Andy Dalton will never be equal to Dak Prescott.

Assuming that Dak couldn't have won the game last night is a clear sign on lack of Football knowledge and Elite Dak Hating

Why?

1. Dak has won games without both his starting Tackles

2. Dak has overcome turnovers and injuries to help team win.

3. Dak is a top 5 QB is wins since 2016 (Garrett and Kellen play-calling)

4. Dak has the 2nd most comeback wins since 2016

5. Dak owns the Washington Constables (Commanders) 6-2 record...Andy got sweeped

Arguing that Dak could not have won yesterday is pure Dak Hate
 

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There aren't many negative threads on Dalton because how many different ways can we tell the Dak Haters that Andy sucks and Andy Dalton will never be equal to Dak Prescott.

Assuming that Dak couldn't have won the game last night is a clear sign on lack of Football knowledge and Elite Dak Hating

Why?

1. Dak has won games without both his starting Tackles

2. Dak has overcome turnovers and injuries to help team win.

3. Dak is a top 5 QB is wins since 2016 (Garrett and Kellen play-calling)

4. Dak has the 2nd most comeback wins since 2016

5. Dak owns the Washington Constables (Commanders) 6-2 record...Andy got sweeped

Arguing that Dak could not have won yesterday is pure Dak Hate
Nice post.
 

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Did we play with a lead with dak this year? I am pretty sure the majority of his points game in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
Now you're including the 3rd quarter? Come on man, has the "garbage time" goalpost been moved?

LA - Led into the 3rd quarter, went down and lost by 4. 3 points in the 3rd, zero in the 4th.

NYG - 24 points in the 1st half, a TD in the 3rd. 2 FGs in the 4th.

ATL - We went down early, but put up 40 in quarters 2,3 and 4.

Sea - Consistent across the board.

Cle - Went up 14 - 7 into the 2nd. Then got blown out.

For one, you can't expect the offense to bail out the worst defense known to mankind every game. Secondly, the game is 60 minutes. This garbage time theory has gone to people's heads. This is a team sport. Prescott shouldn't be defined by a team statistic.
Are you going to change the rules again and include the 2nd quarter?
 

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Last Year
1st quarter 18th
2nd quarter 13th
3rd quarter 14th
4th quarter 2nd

averaged 27 points a game, which is about a td a quarter by averages, which is top 5


The cowboys were 8-8 last year. If you are 2nd in 4th quarter and 5th in overall scoring and you are 8-8, it is not working. If your an offensive based team with a bad defense, and are a mid of the pack offense for 3quarters, that is not good.

If a lot of your points come 4th quarter and you still get loses, are they trash points?

So, is it execution, play calling, qb mistakes, it has to be something.

I would say stupid mistakes, turnovers, and failure to execute this year while dak was in caused the loses, but it is something to wonder about.

If you pay dak top money,
1. then you have to hit on draft picks and player development on defense
2. The cowboys improve on scoring early and playing with the lead, which will help the defense

I am not saying don't pay dak, but if you do, you are locked in, and I would want to know why this offense isn't more consistent and translating to more wins
It’s a combination of a lot of things, but people want to try to boil things down to a smoking gun all the time. Each game is different. Always is. Different players, including Dak, making mistakes. Missed blocks, dropped passes, missed kicks, failure to force take aways or 3 and outs, untimely penalties, horrible special teams and field position, etc. This team has been a comedy of errors since at least 2008 with some rare exception years and then in the playoffs we have become a comedy of errors even in those years.

It’s OK if you don’t want to pay top dollar but he was making bottom dollar for 4 years and the clowns in the front office wouldn’t even pull the trigger to bring in impact players to try and make a run for it. So we essentially brought in bargain free agents and paid our own players more money knowing dang good and well the team was short on the necessary talent to win. Dak could play for free and I still don’t have confidence this team would win anything or be able to finally build a defense.
 

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Now you're including the 3rd quarter? Come on man, has the "garbage time" goalpost been moved?

LA - Led into the 3rd quarter, went down and lost by 4. 3 points in the 3rd, zero in the 4th.

NYG - 24 points in the 1st half, a TD in the 3rd. 2 FGs in the 4th.

ATL - We went down early, but put up 40 in quarters 2,3 and 4.

Sea - Consistent across the board.

Cle - Went up 14 - 7 into the 2nd. Then got blown out.

For one, you can't expect the offense to bail out the worst defense known to mankind every game. Secondly, the game is 60 minutes. This garbage time theory has gone to people's heads. This is a team sport. Prescott shouldn't be defined by a team statistic.
Are you going to change the rules again and include the 2nd quarter?
Dak Haters will always move the goal post.

There opinion is not based on QB Metrics.

Dak Hater Gold Standard is Carson Wentz and Goal Post relocation
 

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Dak Haters will always move the goal post.

There opinion is not based on QB Metrics.

Dak Hater Gold Standard is Carson Wentz and Goal Post relocation

Except I am not a dak hater, I like dak.

Me thinking the cowboys offense with dak is not consistant, and show up late in games, does not mean I hate dak
 

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It’s a combination of a lot of things, but people want to try to boil things down to a smoking gun all the time. Each game is different. Always is. Different players, including Dak, making mistakes. Missed blocks, dropped passes, missed kicks, failure to force take aways or 3 and outs, untimely penalties, horrible special teams and field position, etc. This team has been a comedy of errors since at least 2008 with some rare exception years and then in the playoffs we have become a comedy of errors even in those years.

It’s OK if you don’t want to pay top dollar but he was making bottom dollar for 4 years and the clowns in the front office wouldn’t even pull the trigger to bring in impact players to try and make a run for it. So we essentially brought in bargain free agents and paid our own players more money knowing dang good and well the team was short on the necessary talent to win. Dak could play for free and I still don’t have confidence this team would win anything or be able to finally build a defense.
^ Above bold/underlined. This is out most critical issue. For 4 years he was making nothing, NOW all of sudden the staff should draft another QB? What makes anyone thing that's even a possibility? On top of that, look at the absolute horrible job the staff did this season in free agency. Good God, the vast majority got injured and/or released! We could have signed other players that could make an impact, but we sat on 27+ in the cap?
Mind boggling.
 

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andy did good enough to win the game, MM, kellen are the ones who gave the game away, and another elliot fumble hurt too.
Also only running 18 times was crazy, they ran 37 times last game and won, now they go to only 18??? doesnt make sense.
 

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Dak Haters will always move the goal post.

There opinion is not based on QB Metrics.

Dak Hater Gold Standard is Carson Wentz and Goal Post relocation
I think there are certainly some haters who hoist Romo up as a God when he retired. For whatever reason, nothing will ever be good enough. But I think the majority just have a different perception of what Prescott does. They put all the wins and losses on that one player. When it's VERY much bigger than that.
 

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It’s a combination of a lot of things, but people want to try to boil things down to a smoking gun all the time. Each game is different. Always is. Different players, including Dak, making mistakes. Missed blocks, dropped passes, missed kicks, failure to force take aways or 3 and outs, untimely penalties, horrible special teams and field position, etc. This team has been a comedy of errors since at least 2008 with some rare exception years and then in the playoffs we have become a comedy of errors even in those years.

It’s OK if you don’t want to pay top dollar but he was making bottom dollar for 4 years and the clowns in the front office wouldn’t even pull the trigger to bring in impact players to try and make a run for it. So we essentially brought in bargain free agents and paid our own players more money knowing dang good and well the team was short on the necessary talent to win. Dak could play for free and I still don’t have confidence this team would win anything or be able to finally build a defense.

If you sign Dak, make a run on free agents and miss, you are done for a long time

Same here about the defense. It would take them a few years for a pretty good one
 

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andy did good enough to win the game, MM, kellen are the ones who gave the game away, and another elliot fumble hurt too.
Also only running 18 times was crazy, they ran 37 times last game and won, now they go to only 18??? doesnt make sense.
Yeah, Elliott fumbled, but he only ran 10 times. And he actually got through.
 

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If you sign Dak, make a run on free agents and miss, you are done for a long time

Same here about the defense. It would take them a few years for a pretty good one
The point is they had Prescott and Elliott under a rookie contract for 4 years and didn't build ****. They could have played Elliott on his 5th but decided to be the genius staff they are and extend him early.
 

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If you sign Dak, make a run on free agents and miss, you are done for a long time

Same here about the defense. It would take them a few years for a pretty good one
We have been done for a long time for a long time already. Letting him go more than likely starts a QB carousel that hinders the team, too.
 

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We have been done for a long time for a long time already. Letting him go more than likely starts a QB carousel that hinders the team, too.

Maybe they missed the window on Dak, and didnt build the core of the team while he was cheap, so that when they sign him they can make a run.

Do you draft a qb, and build the team out for a couple years, or risk losing on 5 or6 years? Hard to say

I would sign dak, or maybe I would franchise him again. Unless the right opportunity came along.

Gregory gives me the most hope with this roster. That gives us 2 really good DE's. If they hit on 1 or 2 players, and everyone returns healthy, I think they can make a run next year
 

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The point is they had Prescott and Elliott under a rookie contract for 4 years and didn't build ****. They could have played Elliott on his 5th but decided to be the genius staff they are and extend him early.
Exactly!!

The initial plan was Romo team and Zeke was supposed to put us over the top. Romo got hurt. They should have locked up Dak in 2017 just based on the rookie season for $25-$28M....The Cowboys "kept building" and blamed imaginary cap Hell for letting good players leave via FA.
 

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Exactly!!

The initial plan was Romo team and Zeke was supposed to put us over the top. Romo got hurt. They should have locked up Dak in 2017 just based on the rookie season for $25-$28M....The Cowboys "kept building" and blamed imaginary cap Hell for letting good players leave via FA.

why would they lock dak up in 2017 and pay him?
 

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Maybe they missed the window on Dak, and didnt build the core of the team while he was cheap, so that when they sign him they can make a run.

Do you draft a qb, and build the team out for a couple years, or risk losing on 5 or6 years? Hard to say

I would sign dak, or maybe I would franchise him again. Unless the right opportunity came along.

Gregory gives me the most hope with this roster. That gives us 2 really good DE's. If they hit on 1 or 2 players, and everyone returns healthy, I think they can make a run next year
I am Dak's biggest defender but I wouldn't sign Dak to a long term deal after ankle injury.
I'd tag Dak again, make him play on Franchise Tag and proved it.

That is the smart play
 

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why would they lock dak up in 2017 and pay him?
Because that is what smart teams do for QBs whom have proven they can be part of a winning formula.

Dak progression and production proves the Cowboys missed the boat.
 

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Maybe they missed the window on Dak, and didnt build the core of the team while he was cheap, so that when they sign him they can make a run.

Do you draft a qb, and build the team out for a couple years, or risk losing on 5 or6 years? Hard to say

I would sign dak, or maybe I would franchise him again. Unless the right opportunity came along.

Gregory gives me the most hope with this roster. That gives us 2 really good DE's. If they hit on 1 or 2 players, and everyone returns healthy, I think they can make a run next year
I have no facts to base this opinion on, just my gut, but I believe they tagged Dak and sat on a bunch of cap money to extend him so it doesn't sting as much as some think.
But it burns my *** that they have refused to address key defensive positions year after year. It's just insane.
 
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