Help me define "culture"

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I have been chipping away at this McCarthy hire and a lot of you out there are starting to do the same.

Back when Garrett was hired it was an attempt to return to the Jimster days of Johnson thru hiring an obscure backup QB in Garrett that Jerrah could control.

Back when Parcells was hired Jones was trying to have Parcells establish a foundation that would re-invent Cowboy football based on NY Giant football.

When Phillips was hired Jones was trying to draw on Phillips and his HC experience in the AFC divisions and inject it into his team.

Which brings us to the McCarthy era.

That's my problem and possibly yours.

We all know Jerrah is searching for some of that old time Packer football into our Cowboys. His coach has exclusively hired former coaches that served under him to Jack up a failing football team.

Witten wanted to get hired to coach and Mike did not want him so he is playing in Oakland.

Dez wanted to return and play but Mike didn't want him so Dez had to keep looking.

This indicated to me McCarthy wanted no part of former Cowboys but then does a Crazy Ivan and rehired Moore as his OC and we all see the results.

So my main question is culture.

As far as you guys see things..not me..but you..

What is this culture we are looking for with McCarthy?

Earlier this season McCarthy cut 3 players who were under-performing and we all agree they had been mistakes.

There was also Haha Clnton Dix and McCoy who were cut or failed physically after paying McCoy $3.5 mil just for signing knowing he had potential injury liabilities.

So from a culture standpoint what are we doing?


What is the basic fundamental principles are we looking for with McCarthy?

Can we recognize them if they appear?

If they don't appear how long will McCarthy be allowed to get it done?

My concern is that from what I have seen so far this team does not seem to buy in to the McCarthy culture.

There is heavy push back against Big Mike at this point.

The watermelon smashing prank was interesting and the Vikes fell the next week.

Then came the Washington Whatever's and we got routed and embarrassed.

So I want to hear what you guys are thinking.

Is this going to work with McCarthy? Is anything improving after 11 games?

If not..what then?

Over to the COWBOYZONE CULTURE.

:rolleyes:
 

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Let's face it -- Jason Garrett had 10 years to change the culture of this team and failed. Now, it's Mike McCarthy's time to try his best.

It seems like forever that the Cowboys have been rocking along a slippery slope, in their attempt to overcome the curse of mediocrity.

The questions arise as to what is wrong -- why is this team so hopelessly stuck in their ways and what is the causation for this curse?

Ever since our current organizational leadership took charge of this Cowboys franchise, Jerry has been a enabler of team entitlement.

They've been entitled to forgiveness of everything from acting lazy, committing unlawful acts and generally, a failure to act responsibly.

Leadership from the top has been the missing factor that has haunted this Cowboys organization, for about 25 years, right up to today.

This team will only hold hopes for recovery when better leadership and management takes hold of this team and makes it responsible.
 
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.....blaming injuries, not having depth, not having speed, not concerned about defense, providing OJT coaching, hiring friends of friends, hiring non-resistant coaches, losing key games, failing to acknowledge Jimmy in the Ring of Honor, fielding soft & heart-less teams, still believing the "America's Team" label, failing to recognize the team is being laughed at, league-wide,
 

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I think in hiring McCarthy Jerry wanted some of that analytics razzle dazzle seen in Arizona, LA, and other cities with some level of recent success. Unfortunately, Jerry was a bit lazy in his search and still injects himself in football decisions in ways that tend to undermine whoever is in charge.
 

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Culture in a football setting is the “normal every day way” your players respond to several things:
  • How they respond to adversity, setbacks, losses, and disappointments.
  • How they respond to coaching and correction.
  • How well they bond around team goals and rules.
  • How well they respect and support each other as teammates and respect the coaches as leaders.
  • How tough they are mentally and physically.
  • How much they respect the game of football.
  • Last but perhaps most important- there is accountability from top to bottom.
That last bullet is so critical because that’s the biggest missing piece in this team’s culture. Because people at the top of the organization are never held accountable, there is little or no accountability anywhere else. This is what has poisoned this culture for a long time.
 

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You had me with, "then does a crazy Ivan"

It seems to me that it is hard to establish a sports culture in a single year... Particularly given the huge cultural shadow Jerry has cast over the past 30 years. Much like the famous quote about porn, though, you know it when you see it.

Big Mike has done a few interesting things this year that, if continued forward, could lay the foundation for a cultural shift: releasing dead weight veterans, more risk taking (while the fake pant was a silly call, I applaud them for being less conservative than the JG era).

What happens this off-season will be telling - if he continues to "clean house", addresses the defense, maybe even draft a QB high in the draft, then maybe we will see a change.

Not to make light of substance abuse, but JJ sometimes reminds me of the addict that, having successfully completed rehab, backslides into his old ways. Will this offseason be rehab Jerry or backsliding Jerry?
 

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Culture in a football setting is the “normal every day way” your players respond to several things:
  • How they respond to adversity, setbacks, losses, and disappointments.
  • How they respond to coaching and correction.
  • How well they bond around team goals and rules.
  • How well they respect and support each other as teammates and respect the coaches as leaders.
  • How tough they are mentally and physically.
  • How much they respect the game of football.
  • Last but perhaps most important- there is accountability from top to bottom.
That last bullet is so critical because that’s the biggest missing piece in this team’s culture. Because people at the top of the organization are never held accountable, there is little or no accountability anywhere else. This is what has poisoned this culture for a long time.
Great well thought out answers.

As soon as I saw your post I knew I had a topic that struck a nerve.

Check on all your points. When it finally comes down to it..

It's hard to define what it is but knowing what it is and being true to it is so key.

When we look at Big Mike I see GB and Lambeau Field and cold weather and physical teams with skilled players at key positions.

That is a great theme and the Packers have succeeded at keeping that culture.

Now who are we?

We have been offensive firepower with top level QB and skill position players and an owner who would sell his soul for one more shot at another ring.

Which maybe the problem. Wanting to take short cuts to get there such as sinking 2/3 of the cap into the offense while leaving the defense to make due with bargain talent and poor DCs been our undoing.

I see this as still the issue today. The culture from the top as you point out is flawed.

That may never change.
 
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You had me with, "then does a crazy Ivan"

It seems to me that it is hard to establish a sports culture in a single year... Particularly given the huge cultural shadow Jerry has cast over the past 30 years. Much like the famous quote about porn, though, you know it when you see it.

Big Mike has done a few interesting things this year that, if continued forward, could lay the foundation for a cultural shift: releasing dead weight veterans, more risk taking (while the fake pant was a silly call, I applaud them for being less conservative than the JG era).

What happens this off-season will be telling - if he continues to "clean house", addresses the defense, maybe even draft a QB high in the draft, then maybe we will see a change.

Not to make light of substance abuse, but JJ sometimes reminds me of the addict that, having successfully completed rehab, backslides into his old ways. Will this offseason be rehab Jerry or backsliding Jerry?
Good answer.

Somethings to think thru in your answers.

We are all scratching our heads over what has happened.

It's been like a airplane crash with everybody dead. The forensic team has to come and retrieve the black box only to find the pilot spilled his coffee on the plane computer and that was enough to kill 300 people.

Stupid stuff.

That is partly the issue but by far the injuries completely block out what is going on. I have never seen so many key injuries all in one year.

So as far as Big Mike thereis no question that McCarthy was brought here to complete Daks grooming.

So no Dak..the whole experiment is null and void.

We know we have culture with Dak. The team plays for him..both sides of the ball. But now it's a real gamble as to whether we stick with investing in that culture or move on.

Culture.

Well..

Now for a musical break with Culture Club.

 

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You had me with, "then does a crazy Ivan"

It seems to me that it is hard to establish a sports culture in a single year... Particularly given the huge cultural shadow Jerry has cast over the past 30 years. Much like the famous quote about porn, though, you know it when you see it.

Big Mike has done a few interesting things this year that, if continued forward, could lay the foundation for a cultural shift: releasing dead weight veterans, more risk taking (while the fake pant was a silly call, I applaud them for being less conservative than the JG era).

What happens this off-season will be telling - if he continues to "clean house", addresses the defense, maybe even draft a QB high in the draft, then maybe we will see a change.

Not to make light of substance abuse, but JJ sometimes reminds me of the addict that, having successfully completed rehab, backslides into his old ways. Will this offseason be rehab Jerry or backsliding Jerry?
Very well done, and I agree.

People have forgotten that this was a .500 team last season, not some juggernaut. And now w/o the starting QB. And a rash of injuries.

Honestly, IMO there are signs that we are improving. It was never about winning this year anyway, thought most would not hear it. This is clearly a rebuild, another thingie most wouldn't even entertain the thought of. This was a year to see what we have, to see what we need. To let Moore get his feet wet and see if he can figure things out. Which is also happening. Yes, there have been some real head scratchers from MO. But, there have also been many many good things. W/ Moore, it's not about pointing out every little mistake, it's about looking at the big pic to see if he's starting to get it. Which I think is possible.

If McC is the right guy, it's simply going to take some time.
 

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Unfortunately, the "culture" of this team is set by the owner/GM himself...not by any coach he hires. He makes it a point to hire only coaches who accept this. Therefore, the HC is already starting from a weakened position in the eyes of the players. The owner makes a lot of money, but the GM is stupid as heck. You can't blame the players for putting money first ahead of performance...i mean, JJ does it. When we say that some of these players are only playing for a paycheck, that comes from Jerry. Putting money first. Obviously I am speaking in general, there are a few players who do lay it all on the field regardless of their paycheck. But not enough players on this team do that.
 

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I have been chipping away at this McCarthy hire and a lot of you out there are starting to do the same.

Back when Garrett was hired it was an attempt to return to the Jimster days of Johnson thru hiring an obscure backup QB in Garrett that Jerrah could control.

Back when Parcells was hired Jones was trying to have Parcells establish a foundation that would re-invent Cowboy football based on NY Giant football.

When Phillips was hired Jones was trying to draw on Phillips and his HC experience in the AFC divisions and inject it into his team.

Which brings us to the McCarthy era.

That's my problem and possibly yours.

We all know Jerrah is searching for some of that old time Packer football into our Cowboys. His coach has exclusively hired former coaches that served under him to Jack up a failing football team.

Witten wanted to get hired to coach and Mike did not want him so he is playing in Oakland.

Dez wanted to return and play but Mike didn't want him so Dez had to keep looking.

This indicated to me McCarthy wanted no part of former Cowboys but then does a Crazy Ivan and rehired Moore as his OC and we all see the results.

So my main question is culture.

As far as you guys see things..not me..but you..

What is this culture we are looking for with McCarthy?

Earlier this season McCarthy cut 3 players who were under-performing and we all agree they had been mistakes.

There was also Haha Clnton Dix and McCoy who were cut or failed physically after paying McCoy $3.5 mil just for signing knowing he had potential injury liabilities.

So from a culture standpoint what are we doing?


What is the basic fundamental principles are we looking for with McCarthy?

Can we recognize them if they appear?

If they don't appear how long will McCarthy be allowed to get it done?

My concern is that from what I have seen so far this team does not seem to buy in to the McCarthy culture.

There is heavy push back against Big Mike at this point.

The watermelon smashing prank was interesting and the Vikes fell the next week.

Then came the Washington Whatever's and we got routed and embarrassed.

So I want to hear what you guys are thinking.

Is this going to work with McCarthy? Is anything improving after 11 games?

If not..what then?

Over to the COWBOYZONE CULTURE.

:rolleyes:


IMO
Garrett was hired to right the wrong in not hiring Sean Payton (a former qb with an great offensive mind, that lit up the Cowboys defense).

He hired Pacells to get the stadium bill passed, he even said so on hidden camera.

He hired Phillips for his defensive prowess but also he was tired of "walking on eggshell with Parcells around".


I know that it a small thing but I didn't like when MM said that he lied to get the job. I know everyone got a chuckle out of it but if you lied about that what else did you lie about?

The culture that I want MM to establish is that the hc is the be all end all on this team not the GM/owner. We needed to hire someone with skins on the way to compete with the JJ persona and I thought that he was it. I thought we were returning to the Jimmy days where he forged the team in iron and hopefully that is the case.
 

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Unfortunately, the "culture" of this team is set by the owner/GM himself...not by any coach he hires. He makes it a point to hire only coaches who accept this. Therefore, the HC is already starting from a weakened position in the eyes of the players. The owner makes a lot of money, but the GM is stupid as heck. You can't blame the players for putting money first ahead of performance...i mean, JJ does it. When we say that some of these players are only playing for a paycheck, that comes from Jerry. Putting money first. Obviously I am speaking in general, there are a few players who do lay it all on the field regardless of their paycheck. But not enough players on this team do that.

I should read you post first before I posted, you are on the money.
 

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I think the problem here is simply fan expectations. This board was full of "were going to the superbowl" now, when in reality this team had alot of problems. Limited offseason, entirely new staff, and the players are OK. We have a few bright spots but this team is simply not that good and it shows.
 

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I think the problem here is simply fan expectations. This board was full of "were going to the superbowl" now, when in reality this team had alot of problems. Limited offseason, entirely new staff, and the players are OK. We have a few bright spots but this team is simply not that good and it shows.
We were 8-8 last year w/ an all too often sputtering O and a spastic D. The superbowl was never in the pic.
 
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