Help me define "culture"

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We didn’t pay McCoy 3.5 mil
They knew he had a possible injury but also knew he had still been a good player the year before
They structured a deal to pay him if he was healthy but not if this particular injury came up
It came up and the contract was adjusted for that
He did not get 3.5 mil
 

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IMO
Garrett was hired to right the wrong in not hiring Sean Payton (a former qb with an great offensive mind, that lit up the Cowboys defense).

He hired Pacells to get the stadium bill passed, he even said so on hidden camera.

He hired Phillips for his defensive prowess but also he was tired of "walking on eggshell with Parcells around".


I know that it a small thing but I didn't like when MM said that he lied to get the job. I know everyone got a chuckle out of it but if you lied about that what else did you lie about?

The culture that I want MM to establish is that the hc is the be all end all on this team not the GM/owner. We needed to hire someone with skins on the way to compete with the JJ persona and I thought that he was it. I thought we were returning to the Jimmy days where he forged the team in iron and hopefully that is the case.
I agree.

You are skillfully filling in the holes in my thread.

If I had tried to add your points we' d be here all day instead of eating leftover turkey.

:laugh:

And that part about lying is telling.

Yeah..it was a good chuckle at the time but...

it goes along with what he did in the Blue/White scrimmage where he covered the numbers to disguise player identities.

He said it was to protect cuts for later but I still have never heard who were these players he was protecting?

Did his ruse work? Not a clue.

So line us all up against the wall and shoot us for being critical of Mighty Mike.

He should do the State Farm insurance commercials instead of Aaron Rodgers.

The one where they always are getting 'the real deal'.

Mike seems a better choice for a lead in those spots.

He is fooling a lot of folks right now.

:rolleyes:
 

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You keep saying this and it simply isn't true.

Moore was assigned to him.
Umm..

the way I read it Moore had agreed to a job back in a college in California when Mighty Mike recalled him and extended his contract.

Pretty sure that is what happened.

Assigned is a funny way to look at it.

I wish somebody would assign me for what Moore is getting paid to run this team in the ground.

:omg:
 

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I agree.

You are skillfully filling in the holes in my thread.

If I had tried to add your points we' d be here all day instead of eating leftover turkey.

:laugh:

And that part about lying is telling.

Yeah..it was a good chuckle at the time but...

it goes along with what he did in the Blue/White scrimmage where he covered the numbers to disguise player identities.

He said it was to protect cuts for later but I still have never heard who were these players he was protecting?

Did his ruse work? Not a clue.

So line us all up against the wall and shoot us for being critical of Mighty Mike.

He should do the State Farm insurance commercials instead of Aaron Rodgers.

The one where they always are getting 'the real deal'.

Mike seems a better choice for a lead in those spots.

He is fooling a lot of folks right now.

:rolleyes:

I think that you have to give him some time. This year was probably the worst year in the history of sports to get a new coaching staff, on top of that he will now start a line that doesn't have its top 4 players from last year. He doesn't have his starting qb and that qb was the heart and soul of this team. The defense has names that aren't living up to their contracts (Jaylen, Brown, Crawford and Lawrence) and it also takes more that one season to change the culture. With Nolan I can't tell if he's a good coach or not due to players not buying in to his scheme (which is a player problem not a coaching problem). If they buy in totally then we can tell but if they continue to play hero ball then get rid of the players.

Remember JJ gave Jason 10 years so MM can atleast get a few more.
 

KingintheNorth

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Umm..

the way I read it Moore had agreed to a job back in a college in California when Mighty Mike recalled him and extended his contract.

Pretty sure that is what happened.

Assigned is a funny way to look at it.

I wish somebody would assign me for what Moore is getting paid to run this team in the ground.

:omg:
You guys keep falling for it.

Jerry "strongly suggested" Kellen be allowed to call plays because Jerry claimed he was the next Sean McVay publicly.
 

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Whatever a winning culture is, it starts with a strong coach with a strong personality.
Then your team leaders enforces what the coach wants..
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Tom Landry had it.
Jimmy Johnson had it.
Bill Parcells had it.
For the most part they didn't put up with crap during practice or during games.
Players want to be lead, if the coach show some moxie, and leadership.
 

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I have been chipping away at this McCarthy hire and a lot of you out there are starting to do the same.

Back when Garrett was hired it was an attempt to return to the Jimster days of Johnson thru hiring an obscure backup QB in Garrett that Jerrah could control.

Back when Parcells was hired Jones was trying to have Parcells establish a foundation that would re-invent Cowboy football based on NY Giant football.

When Phillips was hired Jones was trying to draw on Phillips and his HC experience in the AFC divisions and inject it into his team.

Which brings us to the McCarthy era.

That's my problem and possibly yours.

We all know Jerrah is searching for some of that old time Packer football into our Cowboys. His coach has exclusively hired former coaches that served under him to Jack up a failing football team.

Witten wanted to get hired to coach and Mike did not want him so he is playing in Oakland.

Dez wanted to return and play but Mike didn't want him so Dez had to keep looking.

This indicated to me McCarthy wanted no part of former Cowboys but then does a Crazy Ivan and rehired Moore as his OC and we all see the results.

So my main question is culture.

As far as you guys see things..not me..but you..

What is this culture we are looking for with McCarthy?

Earlier this season McCarthy cut 3 players who were under-performing and we all agree they had been mistakes.

There was also Haha Clnton Dix and McCoy who were cut or failed physically after paying McCoy $3.5 mil just for signing knowing he had potential injury liabilities.

So from a culture standpoint what are we doing?


What is the basic fundamental principles are we looking for with McCarthy?

Can we recognize them if they appear?

If they don't appear how long will McCarthy be allowed to get it done?

My concern is that from what I have seen so far this team does not seem to buy in to the McCarthy culture.

There is heavy push back against Big Mike at this point.

The watermelon smashing prank was interesting and the Vikes fell the next week.

Then came the Washington Whatever's and we got routed and embarrassed.

So I want to hear what you guys are thinking.

Is this going to work with McCarthy? Is anything improving after 11 games?

If not..what then?

Over to the COWBOYZONE CULTURE.

:rolleyes:

The culture is if you're in good with Jerry the coach really can't do anything to you.
 

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I have been chipping away at this McCarthy hire and a lot of you out there are starting to do the same.

Back when Garrett was hired it was an attempt to return to the Jimster days of Johnson thru hiring an obscure backup QB in Garrett that Jerrah could control.

Back when Parcells was hired Jones was trying to have Parcells establish a foundation that would re-invent Cowboy football based on NY Giant football.

When Phillips was hired Jones was trying to draw on Phillips and his HC experience in the AFC divisions and inject it into his team.

Which brings us to the McCarthy era.

That's my problem and possibly yours.

We all know Jerrah is searching for some of that old time Packer football into our Cowboys. His coach has exclusively hired former coaches that served under him to Jack up a failing football team.

Witten wanted to get hired to coach and Mike did not want him so he is playing in Oakland.

Dez wanted to return and play but Mike didn't want him so Dez had to keep looking.

This indicated to me McCarthy wanted no part of former Cowboys but then does a Crazy Ivan and rehired Moore as his OC and we all see the results.

So my main question is culture.

As far as you guys see things..not me..but you..

What is this culture we are looking for with McCarthy?

Earlier this season McCarthy cut 3 players who were under-performing and we all agree they had been mistakes.

There was also Haha Clnton Dix and McCoy who were cut or failed physically after paying McCoy $3.5 mil just for signing knowing he had potential injury liabilities.

So from a culture standpoint what are we doing?


What is the basic fundamental principles are we looking for with McCarthy?

Can we recognize them if they appear?

If they don't appear how long will McCarthy be allowed to get it done?

My concern is that from what I have seen so far this team does not seem to buy in to the McCarthy culture.

There is heavy push back against Big Mike at this point.

The watermelon smashing prank was interesting and the Vikes fell the next week.

Then came the Washington Whatever's and we got routed and embarrassed.

So I want to hear what you guys are thinking.

Is this going to work with McCarthy? Is anything improving after 11 games?

If not..what then?

Over to the COWBOYZONE CULTURE.

:rolleyes:





I think you made some big errors in you history lesson. Nobody knows for sure but I seriously doubt that Jones hired Parcells to base the Cowboys on the giants but because he wanted a no nonsense coach. Next I VERY seriously doubt Jones hired Phillips based on his head coaching because he has been a failure at being a head coach every time he was a head coach. Phillips did have really good defenses when he was a DC so I'll bet Phillips was brought here to help turn the defense into a really good defense. After it did become a really good defense but then started slipping down the ranks and they were no longer one of the top defenses, Phillips was fired. Then after seeing what Garrett did with the offense Jones gave Garrett the head coaching job.

Now on to the players you mentioned. Witten if he wanted to be a coach here it means that he was ready to retire but instead signs with the raiders and thus far has all of 11 catches for a whopping 57 yards. None of the coaches McCarthy hired are 1st time coaches and that just might have been the reason for not hiring Witten as a coach. Now Bryant, who after being released by the Cowboys in 2018 sat until week 10 and the saints were so desperate for a receiver because they lost their #1 and #3 receivers in back to back weeks. Now flash ahead to this season and with no teams knocking down his door to sign Bryant McCarthy was just like all the other teams and didn't sign him. Again we get to another week 10 and another desperate team and the ravens signs him and in 2 games has all of 4 catches for 28 yards. With the receivers the Cowboys have you even bring up Bryant - unbelievable.

As far as McCarthy, I've said this before that ALL 1st year head coaches because of no off season programs, no preseason games and a extremely altered training camp, will get a pass for this season.

To answer you question on what culture is, I think it''s having players who will work as hard as they can to get better and to win and not just for themselves but for their team mates too. Having a locker room where the players all get along and respect each other and their coaches and having a locker room void of any cancers. Having a team where every player wants to win and will try as hard as they can to do it. After a loss not pointing fingers at any one player or coach but simply saying we all have to work harder. I think that's the type of culture every team wants.
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That has zero to do w/ whether Moore was wanted by McC or not. We do not know.
He told you twice what he wanted.

He wanted to call plays himself.

Wonder what changed his mind? So quickly too. It's a mystery I guess.
 

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I have been chipping away at this McCarthy hire and a lot of you out there are starting to do the same.

Back when Garrett was hired it was an attempt to return to the Jimster days of Johnson thru hiring an obscure backup QB in Garrett that Jerrah could control.

Back when Parcells was hired Jones was trying to have Parcells establish a foundation that would re-invent Cowboy football based on NY Giant football.

When Phillips was hired Jones was trying to draw on Phillips and his HC experience in the AFC divisions and inject it into his team.

Which brings us to the McCarthy era.

That's my problem and possibly yours.

We all know Jerrah is searching for some of that old time Packer football into our Cowboys. His coach has exclusively hired former coaches that served under him to Jack up a failing football team.

Witten wanted to get hired to coach and Mike did not want him so he is playing in Oakland.

Dez wanted to return and play but Mike didn't want him so Dez had to keep looking.

This indicated to me McCarthy wanted no part of former Cowboys but then does a Crazy Ivan and rehired Moore as his OC and we all see the results.

So my main question is culture.

As far as you guys see things..not me..but you..

What is this culture we are looking for with McCarthy?

Earlier this season McCarthy cut 3 players who were under-performing and we all agree they had been mistakes.

There was also Haha Clnton Dix and McCoy who were cut or failed physically after paying McCoy $3.5 mil just for signing knowing he had potential injury liabilities.

So from a culture standpoint what are we doing?


What is the basic fundamental principles are we looking for with McCarthy?

Can we recognize them if they appear?

If they don't appear how long will McCarthy be allowed to get it done?

My concern is that from what I have seen so far this team does not seem to buy in to the McCarthy culture.

There is heavy push back against Big Mike at this point.

The watermelon smashing prank was interesting and the Vikes fell the next week.

Then came the Washington Whatever's and we got routed and embarrassed.

So I want to hear what you guys are thinking.

Is this going to work with McCarthy? Is anything improving after 11 games?

If not..what then?

Over to the COWBOYZONE CULTURE.

:rolleyes:
Moore had the #1 offense in the entire NFL last season and had the #1 offense this season until Dak got hurt. I stopped reading after your nonsense bolted.
 

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I think that you have to give him some time. This year was probably the worst year in the history of sports to get a new coaching staff, on top of that he will now start a line that doesn't have its top 4 players from last year. He doesn't have his starting qb and that qb was the heart and soul of this team. The defense has names that aren't livinWe allg up to their contracts (Jaylen, Brown, Crawford and Lawrence) and it also takes more that one season to change the culture. With Nolan I can't tell if he's a good coach or not due to players not buying in to his scheme (which is a player problem not a coaching problem). If they buy in totally then we can tell but if they continue to play hero ball then get rid of the players.

Remember JJ gave Jason 10 years so MM can atleast get a few more.
We all know the excuses.

It's amazing to me that any of the team's are actually winning.

For the rest of the team's..meh.

I do know this...

From an accountant point of view the league across the board down to the individual owners are going to have one heck of a right off with these losses we keep hearing about.

And that is not all that bad.

And the losses can be amortized over several years to maximize the losses against capital gains.

This will greatly aid recovering from negative factors with the illness situation.

So we all need to relax and watch college games on into New Years.

Its the only way I will remain sane going forward.

:starspin:
 
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