Hold off on Dak contract

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You've seen the crapstorm the Cowboys have turned into without Dak. The only thing I can figure that would provoke you to want more of that is you just hate the Cowboys. Dak gives this team a chance to win. But hey if you like being a loser then keep on starting threads like this.

So we turned into a "crapstorm" because of Dak's absence? Hmmm...interesting theory.
 

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find me a top 10 QB that would take 28M....

what you want is totally irrelevant. its what the NFL does.....

I want a ferrari for the price of a honda civic and I am not having it!!!! right now. that's what I am willing to pay. go get me one
Problem is Dallas doesn't have a top 10 QB anywhere on the roster they have a 10-18 guy who excels against low end D's in soft time, yeah lets pay him the big $$$ then draft a OL guy in the first as he needs all the help he can get then look for a steal at #2 ,druggie, injured, domestic violence type of guy who fell in the draft.. It doesn't matter because Jerry will pay Dak because Jerry can say he's his QB find and we all know Jerrys skill in QB evaluations and as Jerry is at the end and doesn't want to start again so everyone should get use to stats Prescott stinking it up against the good teams and choking when it matters because he isn't leaving anytime soon. Mediocre is Dallas's norm and the new HC yes man is making sure Jerrys orders are followed. Enjoy the ride with the high $$$$ QB and the 7-9, 8-8 seasons on the way it will be just more of the same and you have nothing to blame but your unbridled love of a good QB who never gets it done.
 

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We turned over the coaching staff to answer who the problem is, I still think it was JG, it sucks that there is no way to evaluate the coaching position this year with all that has happened...wether anyone likes it or not...we need to give MM and Dak a season to find out and this year we couldn't. So probably a tag next year and see how they do......Worse would be letting him walk and watching another staff take him to the SB while we do a rebuild with a 50/50 at QB.

Would you be more upset if Dak goes to a superbowl with another team, or if we keep him and never get there?
 

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Would you be more upset if Dak goes to a superbowl with another team, or if we keep him and never get there?

I would be upset we couldn't figure it out, Just like i was with Romo, he wasn't the problem and neither is Dak. When you have good QB play but can't grasp the importance of up the middle defensive talent its frustrating to say the least. Im not sure how changing the QB is going to fix this team as the QB play has been good.
 

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Dak is a better QB than Andy Dalton, but paying 40 million for someone like Dak is absolutely ridiculous and I don't understand. Good guy, but he doesn't push the needle. Even if dak is the answer, he's NEVER winning anything with jerry.

Sign a QB in draft. Trade dak to NE for picks. Or at least dont pay him 40 million. 28 million TOPS

Dak is going to make 38m next year on the tag and basically have a veto over whether he gets traded while on that tag until after the draft. He has already shown both with his play and his absence that he is worth more than even a QB like Watson who is already making 40m and Dak has FAR more leverage than Watson did. Why in the world would he sign for 12m per year less than what he could get? Any agent who negotiated that deal should be fired.
 

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Dak is a better QB than Andy Dalton, but paying 40 million for someone like Dak is absolutely ridiculous and I don't understand. Good guy, but he doesn't push the needle. Even if dak is the answer, he's NEVER winning anything with jerry.

Sign a QB in draft. Trade dak to NE for picks. Or at least dont pay him 40 million. 28 million TOPS
You can’t trade a guy who’s not under contract
 

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Problem is Dallas doesn't have a top 10 QB anywhere on the roster they have a 10-18 guy who excels against low end D's in soft time, yeah lets pay him the big $$$ then draft a OL guy in the first as he needs all the help he can get then look for a steal at #2 ,druggie, injured, domestic violence type of guy who fell in the draft.. It doesn't matter because Jerry will pay Dak because Jerry can say he's his QB find and we all know Jerrys skill in QB evaluations and as Jerry is at the end and doesn't want to start again so everyone should get use to stats Prescott stinking it up against the good teams and choking when it matters because he isn't leaving anytime soon. Mediocre is Dallas's norm and the new HC yes man is making sure Jerrys orders are followed. Enjoy the ride with the high $$$$ QB and the 7-9, 8-8 seasons on the way it will be just more of the same and you have nothing to blame but your unbridled love of a good QB who never gets it done.

Stop watching footbal, you can't evaluate for anything lmao.
 

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Dak is going to make 38m next year on the tag and basically have a veto over whether he gets traded while on that tag until after the draft. He has already shown both with his play and his absence that he is worth more than even a QB like Watson who is already making 40m and Dak has FAR more leverage than Watson did. Why in the world would he sign for 12m per year less than what he could get? Any agent who negotiated that deal should be fired.
How does Prescott have far more leverage than Watson did when he won't play a competitive game after suffering a compound fracture in his ankle before having to negotiate this contract? He might not have the same mobility/push off. This isn't an anti-dak post just asking a genuine question.
 

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Holding off is what got them in this position. They should have paid Dak instead of Zeke (major mistake). The price was much lower then. Drafting a QB high doesn't guarantee anything.
 

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I would be upset we couldn't figure it out, Just like i was with Romo, he wasn't the problem and neither is Dak. When you have good QB play but can't grasp the importance of up the middle defensive talent its frustrating to say the least. Im not sure how changing the QB is going to fix this team as the QB play has been good.

The cap situation. I am not arguing for or against signing dak, but if you do, you are limited in the players you can sign and such. So, ideally you want to have a solid team around the qb, and a young core who is not making much, that can get you to the superbowl.

If they do change the qb, my idea would be to draft one, franchise dak, so that you can make a run next year, and then you have 4 years to build the roster out before you have to pay the qb again
 

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How does Prescott have far more leverage than Watson did when he won't play a competitive game after suffering a compound fracture in his ankle before having to negotiate this contract? He might not have the same mobility/push off. This isn't an anti-dak post just asking a genuine question.

First the offense entirely fell apart since he left. They went from historically great numbers to historically bad numbers almost overnight.

Second though, and more importantly is that the Texans had Watson locked up for 2 more cheap years and then 2 years of franchise tag money before they really HAD to pay him. Dallas has Dak for one more tag of 38 million and then he can walk and reset the market in free agency and EVERYONE knows he will if he does. This is the Kirk Cousins situation except with a FAR better player in Dak in that QBs have longevity so double tagging them does not help. As for the injury, it seems as though there have been no setbacks and its his first real injury in his career AND players who have come BACK from big injuries (to their or their throwing shoulder) have gotten paid even with lets call it charitably mixed seasons as in some good and some very bad (I suspect most people know the first and a lot know the second). The injury is not going to be a determining factor.

The determining factor is simply that after next season there would be at least a half dozen teams willing to offer 40m and all Dallas would get in return is a 3rd round comp pick. That is the leverage Dak has. Time was on the side of Houston, it is not on the side of Dallas.
 

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Holding off is what got them in this position. They should have paid Dak instead of Zeke (major mistake). The price was much lower then. Drafting a QB high doesn't guarantee anything.
Mistake by Dak, yes. They tried to pay him. He refused. Wouldn't even talk to the team. BTW, his crapp agent's other clients? He handled them badly also. A very high number had to play on the tag because France wouldn't negotiate. Get your facts straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Problem is Dallas doesn't have a top 10 QB anywhere on the roster they have a 10-18 guy who excels against low end D's in soft time, yeah lets pay him the big $$$ then draft a OL guy in the first as he needs all the help he can get then look for a steal at #2 ,druggie, injured, domestic violence type of guy who fell in the draft.. It doesn't matter because Jerry will pay Dak because Jerry can say he's his QB find and we all know Jerrys skill in QB evaluations and as Jerry is at the end and doesn't want to start again so everyone should get use to stats Prescott stinking it up against the good teams and choking when it matters because he isn't leaving anytime soon. Mediocre is Dallas's norm and the new HC yes man is making sure Jerrys orders are followed. Enjoy the ride with the high $$$$ QB and the 7-9, 8-8 seasons on the way it will be just more of the same and you have nothing to blame but your unbridled love of a good QB who never gets it done.
yet every NFL GM, every scout and every analyst put him in the top 10...I guess they all should just quit their job and come listen to you, since you know more than all of them combined.

and show me stats for all these other top 10 QBs against strong teams and against weak teams...lets hae a side by side comparison.

perhaps if you are not happy, you can go root for another team. that's always an option for you.
 

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First the offense entirely fell apart since he left. They went from historically great numbers to historically bad numbers almost overnight.

Second though, and more importantly is that the Texans had Watson locked up for 2 more cheap years and then 2 years of franchise tag money before they really HAD to pay him. Dallas has Dak for one more tag of 38 million and then he can walk and reset the market in free agency and EVERYONE knows he will if he does. This is the Kirk Cousins situation except with a FAR better player in Dak in that QBs have longevity so double tagging them does not help. As for the injury, it seems as though there have been no setbacks and its his first real injury in his career AND players who have come BACK from big injuries (to their or their throwing shoulder) have gotten paid even with lets call it charitably mixed seasons as in some good and some very bad (I suspect most people know the first and a lot know the second). The injury is not going to be a determining factor.

The determining factor is simply that after next season there would be at least a half dozen teams willing to offer 40m and all Dallas would get in return is a 3rd round comp pick. That is the leverage Dak has. Time was on the side of Houston, it is not on the side of Dallas.

With regards to your first point, the offensive line managed to weaken even further with injuries even after Prescott went down. The Vikings game was arguably the only comparable one with what Prescott had during his 4 games with Martin actually playing. The Cowboys put up 31 points and won. In the last game the Cowboys put up 16 points (should have been 20 but for Lamb dropping a dolly) with both Martin and Irving missing from the offensive line. Plus if people are being fair the coaching really hurt the chances of the offense putting up points vs Washington with their dumb decisions.

It's not realistic to compare what Prescott was doing behind a better offensive line than to what Dinucci and Gilbert played with and come on neither is even a 5th round draft pick!

I don't see 6 teams being willing to pay Prescott 40 million. I agree that teams would be interested in him but given his injury (I think tearing an ACL would be better to recover from than a compound fracture) and the global pandemic I just couldn't see a load of GM's wanting to take the plunge and pay top dollar on Dak Prescott. They would also need to have the cap space as well.

Either way I think the Cowboys will tag him again giving both options of keeping him or trading him.
 

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yet every NFL GM, every scout and every analyst put him in the top 10...I guess they all should just quit their job and come listen to you, since you know more than all of them combined.

and show me stats for all these other top 10 QBs against strong teams and against weak teams...lets hae a side by side comparison.

perhaps if you are not happy, you can go root for another team. that's always an option for you.

Doesn't matter if he is a top 10 or not. If he doesn't have a team around him to get there, he wont get there. Last year he was a top 10 qb, and they went 8-8. This year he had amazing yards and it did not translate to wins.

So, the question is, do you sign him, and take a huge portion of your cap, if you are not going to get to the superbowl with the team around him?
 

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We had been pretty fortunate with injuries over the past 4 years and we had good rosters. Yet we only won a single play off game with good teams.

So the injury gods turned and now look at us.
 

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Doesn't matter if he is a top 10 or not. If he doesn't have a team around him to get there, he wont get there. Last year he was a top 10 qb, and they went 8-8. This year he had amazing yards and it did not translate to wins.

So, the question is, do you sign him, and take a huge portion of your cap, if you are not going to get to the superbowl with the team around him?



I do agree with you on this..for some reason THIS FO can't figure out how to keep a franchise QB and build a good team..other franchises GM's do this and almost never let the Franchise QB walk......it is frustrating.
 

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Sort. Jerry doesn't comprehend how to build a team that is not QB dependent.


Jerry doesn't know how to build a team, He pays positions with no plan and almost always does the wrong thing on the defensive side. Most teams in the NFL are QB dependent as they have changed the rules to slant to scoring so much, but look at where and how we spend our draft picks and who we pay......Most teams don't NEED 4 #1 picks on the o-line to be good on offense, they dont Need 2 #1's and a #2 at WR to be good and a #1 at RB....just typing that makes me crazy.....there is no way the defense on the other side is any good.
 
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