Hold off on Dak contract

Swagger said:

With regards to your first point, the offensive line managed to weaken even further with injuries even after Prescott went down. The Vikings game was arguably the only comparable one with what Prescott had during his 4 games with Martin actually playing. The Cowboys put up 31 points and won. In the last game the Cowboys put up 16 points (should have been 20 but for Lamb dropping a dolly) with both Martin and Irving missing from the offensive line. Plus if people are being fair the coaching really hurt the chances of the offense putting up points vs Washington with their dumb decisions.

It's not realistic to compare what Prescott was doing behind a better offensive line than to what Dinucci and Gilbert played with and come on neither is even a 5th round draft pick!

I don't see 6 teams being willing to pay Prescott 40 million. I agree that teams would be interested in him but given his injury (I think tearing an ACL would be better to recover from than a compound fracture) and the global pandemic I just couldn't see a load of GM's wanting to take the plunge and pay top dollar on Dak Prescott. They would also need to have the cap space as well.

Either way I think the Cowboys will tag him again giving both options of keeping him or trading him.

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Most of their games were pretty comparable on the OLine. The only difference was they realized by then to put Martin at RT which they didnt realize for Dak so if anything it was better than what Dak had, but Martin was not out every game that the offense forgot how to function. So it is absolutely a fair comparison when they had almost the exact same players and if your argument was "no no no it was just the extra guard missing that made the offense average more than 25 points LESS per game" I am going to laugh and I am going to laugh A LOT.

Also again neck injury which people thought would be permeant damage AND a major injury to a throwing shoulder did not stop QBs from getting top dollar in free agency.

As for the teams assuming you tag him next year and he walks you have, in no particular order: Patriots as obvious suitor (they would also probably be a suitor this year), Saints who will be in cap hell next year after Brees retires but in a good place after, Buccs who only have a 2 year deal with Brady who seems to be trending downward in a hurry, the Raiders have been trying to get rid of Carr for a decade, the Browns are going to want to move on from Baker because he does not have it and they have a Super Bowl level team, the 49ers can move on from Jimmy G pretty cleanly both this year and next year and get a massive upgrade for a SB team that will be lucky to have a high draft pick due to injuries, Detroit is a team to look at in 2 years for moving on from Stafford, Washington has a strong defense and needs a QB and has plenty of cap space for either this year or next so making Dak a key piece would be huge for them, NY needs 2 years but again if a tag and walk they are in the market, and of course the Colts who in 2 years will need to replace the veteran sign on that they have. That is ignoring teams like Chicago who have no QB, and teams that might be thinking about wanting to move on in 2 years like the Steelers who have an aging QB themselves, but would have to pull cap gymnastics to even be in the running.

Edit: I am also not counting if Tua bombs or Denver wants to move on from Lock (they are not afraid to sign highly talented veteran QBs to big money when they have a roster), and I am assuming Jax and Jets get a QB in this draft.

dsturgeon said:

Doesn't matter if he is a top 10 or not. If he doesn't have a team around him to get there, he wont get there. Last year he was a top 10 qb, and they went 8-8. This year he had amazing yards and it did not translate to wins.

So, the question is, do you sign him, and take a huge portion of your cap, if you are not going to get to the superbowl with the team around him?

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is all the wins and losses on the QB? that's a yes or no question

dsturgeon said:

Doesn't matter if he is a top 10 or not. If he doesn't have a team around him to get there, he wont get there. Last year he was a top 10 qb, and they went 8-8. This year he had amazing yards and it did not translate to wins.

So, the question is, do you sign him, and take a huge portion of your cap, if you are not going to get to the superbowl with the team around him?

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There are non-top 10 QBs who have taken up massive amounts of CAP that made it to the Super Bowl.

What's your point here?

I'd rather have Wentzie!

dsturgeon said:

Doesn't matter if he is a top 10 or not. If he doesn't have a team around him to get there, he wont get there.

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Now that's a valid point. Cleveland is the perfect example. They have a new head coach as well. And it sure isn't Mayfield that has them at 7 - 3 lol.

QuincyCarterEra said:

There are non-top 10 QBs who have taken up massive amounts of CAP that made it to the Super Bowl.

What's your point here?

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I like dak, but I can also see negatives in his play.

The point is, or the question I am asking is, do you think Dak can carry this team with subpar talent? He was a to 10 qb last year, and they went 8-8. He threw for a ton of yards this year and it didnt lead to wins.

So, I am saying if the cowboys end up with a top 3 pick, a good option is to draft a qb and let him sit behind dak for a year, franchise dak, then you can make a run, and have 4 years of no qb on the cap.

I think the cowboys had the right idea, but it didnt quite hit. They built a line, and had RB, and tony breaks down. They get dak, get things going, and now the line is breaking down. Neither times was the defense good.

I think my previous strategy would be a good way to go.

But if they can't get a qb in the draft without selling the farm, then I don't like that

CowboysFaninHouston said:

yet every NFL GM, every scout and every analyst put him in the top 10...I guess they all should just quit their job and come listen to you, since you know more than all of them combined.

and show me stats for all these other top 10 QBs against strong teams and against weak teams...lets hae a side by side comparison.

perhaps if you are not happy, you can go root for another team. that's always an option for you.

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Talking out your - - again, show all the GMs rankings, all those scout rankings, don't have any do you, nice made up fantasy, many talking heads don't agree with you either. Do some have him in the top sure at least 1 GM does, Jerry, and that should scare the love off of you. Dak is nothing more than a good NFL QB who has sucked up resources needed to prop up his average NFL talents. Wait until he sucks up 37-40 million, can't wait for your sorry azs whining about bad Defense, poor coaching, Daks still hurting, yes can't wait to see Dak whip up on those soft D's and lose some more games. Perhaps you can put your love of a player aside and route for what's best for the team but it looks like you like mediocracy .

QuincyCarterEra said:

Stop watching footbal, you can't evaluate for anything lmao.

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Yes Dak has done so much, 5 years and jack squat accomplished and it appears it keeps getting worse, but yes pay Dak and lets get some more disappearing QB play until it is soft time, every Dak apologist live for those worthless stats and we all love those big Ls he puts up in crunch time yes you are right sign him up you can't pay to much for that kind of talent..

CowboysFever1973 said:

Dak is a better QB than Andy Dalton, but paying 40 million for someone like Dak is absolutely ridiculous and I don't understand. Good guy, but he doesn't push the needle. Even if dak is the answer, he's NEVER winning anything with jerry.

Sign a QB in draft. Trade dak to NE for picks. Or at least dont pay him 40 million. 28 million TOPS

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Your right in that Dak would be better off at NE. With Jerry at the helm, Boys need as many draft picks as possible. Maybe hit on another Dak...

Brax said:

Talking out your - - again, show all the GMs rankings, all those scout rankings, don't have any do you, nice made up fantasy, many talking heads don't agree with you either. Do some have him in the top sure at least 1 GM does, Jerry, and that should scare the love off of you. Dak is nothing more than a good NFL QB who has sucked up resources needed to prop up his average NFL talents. Wait until he sucks up 37-40 million, can't wait for your sorry azs whining about bad Defense, poor coaching, Daks still hurting, yes can't wait to see Dak whip up on those soft D's and lose some more games. Perhaps you can put your love of a player aside and route for what's best for the team but it looks like you like mediocracy .

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you are shooting your wad a little too prematurely...

these were presented earlier in the year, with results from 50 front office personnel....published on multiple sites.....

NFL executives and coaches rank Dak Prescott as top-10 quarterback heading into 2020 season - Blogging The Boys

NFL executives and coaches rank Dak Prescott as top-10 quarterback heading into 2020 season | News Break

ESPN's Trey Wingo rips Dak Prescott haters (247sports.com)

there is quite a few more...go see for yourself, I am not your keeper

and I bet you are talking about Skip Bayless, the know it all analyst with the long NFL career and knowledge and experience.

and all you dak detractors who want to build a team through FA and claim if dak gets a 35M contract we can't sign anybody else, yet this year alone we have 7 of the largest NFL contracts playing on the team, with only one or two producing.

you never build a team through FA.... if I haven't taught you anything else, learn this one son....

perhaps you can put your personal hatred of players aside and see what's best of the team....

Brax said:

Yes Dak has done so much, 5 years and jack squat accomplished and it appears it keeps getting worse, but yes pay Dak and lets get some more disappearing QB play until it is soft time, every Dak apologist live for those worthless stats and we all love those big Ls he puts up in crunch time yes you are right sign him up you can't pay to much for that kind of talent..

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you keep avoiding the question I asked a few posts ago and instead through a tantrum like my toddler

is all the wins/losses credited/blamed on the QB? simple yes and no question.....

Jipper said:

Not gonna worry about our top 10 qb when the defense is giving up 41 points to one of the worst offenses in the league

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.....played on a short field a lot and you can't hold them for the Pick 6.

FiveSuperBowls said:

Your right in that Dak would be better off at NE. With Jerry at the helm, Boys need as many draft picks as possible. Maybe hit on another Dak...

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Nah, keep Dak. Use every pick for the defense.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

you are shooting your wad a little too prematurely...

these were presented earlier in the year, with results from 50 front office personnel....published on multiple sites.....

NFL executives and coaches rank Dak Prescott as top-10 quarterback heading into 2020 season - Blogging The Boys

NFL executives and coaches rank Dak Prescott as top-10 quarterback heading into 2020 season | News Break

ESPN's Trey Wingo rips Dak Prescott haters (247sports.com)

there is quite a few more...go see for yourself, I am not your keeper

and I bet you are talking about Skip Bayless, the know it all analyst with the long NFL career and knowledge and experience.

and all you dak detractors who want to build a team through FA and claim if dak gets a 35M contract we can't sign anybody else, yet this year alone we have 7 of the largest NFL contracts playing on the team, with only one or two producing.

you never build a team through FA.... if I haven't taught you anything else, learn this one son....

perhaps you can put your personal hatred of players aside and see what's best of the team....

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Like I said a mixed bag basically a good QB as I said, funny how that is hatred 7-13 isn’t top $ let’s also look at the situation these GM want Dak to grab as much cap space as possible, funny how that works with the negotiations going on at the time. ESPN reporting you know what that is worth. Non exclusive tag him see how many jump out there to grab him. The only way Dak should come back is at a very team friendly deal anything else is gross incompetence at the GM level. I would also bet when they publish the QB GM list this year Dak is between 11-16.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

you keep avoiding the question I asked a few posts ago and instead through a tantrum like my toddler

is all the wins/losses credited/blamed on the QB? simple yes and no question.....

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You didn’t ask me that question at any point but here is the answer NO. Now you answer yes or no Dak disappears regularly in many games for extended periods of time with out apparent reason. Yes or no only....

Brax said:

Like I said a mixed bag basically a good QB as I said, funny how that is hatred 7-13 isn’t top $ let’s also look at the situation these GM want Dak to grab as much cap space as possible, funny how that works with the negotiations going on at the time. ESPN reporting you know what that is worth. Non exclusive tag him see how many jump out there to grab him. The only way Dak should come back is at a very team friendly deal anything else is gross incompetence at the GM level. I would also bet when they publish the QB GM list this year Dak is between 11-16.

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ok, at this point, based on what you just typed it sounds like you had your 4th or 5th drink....go enjoy the evening, sober up, then type

PJTHEDOORS said:

Nah, keep Dak. Use every pick for the defense.

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Yup, that is what probably is going to happen, but what some are stating here, for Dak's sake, he will be better off on a team like NE.

Brax said:

You didn’t ask me that question at any point but here is the answer NO. Now you answer yes or no Dak disappears regularly in many games for extended periods of time with out apparent reason. Yes or no only....

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no.

CowboysFever1973 said:

Dak is a better QB than Andy Dalton, but paying 40 million for someone like Dak is absolutely ridiculous and I don't understand. Good guy, but he doesn't push the needle. Even if dak is the answer, he's NEVER winning anything with jerry.

Sign a QB in draft. Trade dak to NE for picks. Or at least dont pay him 40 million. 28 million TOPS

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Serious question: what in the hell does the guy have to do to prove he is not the problem?

Just look how pathetic we are with a mediocre quarterback. We’ve been lucky with Romo and Dak back to back, but I assure you it’s not easy to find good quarterbacks in the NFL nor the draft for that matter. All we need is a defensive draft and a few key additions defensively in free agency. We’re not as far off as most people are claiming

CowboysFaninHouston said:

ok, at this point, based on what you just typed it sounds like you had your 4th or 5th drink....go enjoy the evening, sober up, then type

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Sorry you have trouble with comprehension, I see why you like yes or no answers only. I will make allowances in the future for you.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

no.

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Case closed.