Derrick Henry vs Ezekiel Elliott

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Honestly it isn’t about Henry vs zeke although I like Henry much better

it’s about about Ramsey and Henry vs Zeke and Jaylon because if the cowboys had done it right that was what was needed but what’s new we also could have had JJ Watt. If only things were different

if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle
 

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You guys do realize that literally 30 other teams NOT in Dallas passed on Henry too, right?

Get over it already, my God. Admire the guys talent for sure, he's fantastic. But yall piss and **** yourselves about this more than my 10-day old daughter.

only one of the teams that passed on him drafted an rb before him. You don’t have to participate, but it’s warranted and not going to stop any time soon
 

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I agree, but IMO you can't judge Zeke on a season where he is playing behind the 5th and 6th OTs on the roster. I also think Zeke is better all around when you look at receiving, blocking, etc but that's debatable of course.

I was agnostic on his contract but fine with it when I saw how backloaded it is. There is still a scenario where Zeke is cut this offseason so his 2022 salary of 16.5 doesn't become guaranteed. Bob Sturm wrote a long article on this and his conclusion was to cut Zeke after this year.

The issue with giving Zeke that contract was whether he was elite or not. I don't think we can know based on this season, the real answer is his production over time going forward.
If you paid attention to his stats, other than total yards which almost always equates to most carries, then you would know the “real” answer which is he’s not elite and isn’t even average without a top O line.
 

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If you paid attention to his stats, other than total yards which almost always equates to most carries, then you would know the “real” answer which is he’s not elite and isn’t even average without a top O line.

Whats funny is the "not even average unless running behind an elite line" is coming from the same people who've been saying our Oline hasn't been elite for years.
 

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I agree, but IMO you can't judge Zeke on a season where he is playing behind the 5th and 6th OTs on the roster. I also think Zeke is better all around when you look at receiving, blocking, etc but that's debatable of course.

I was agnostic on his contract but fine with it when I saw how backloaded it is. There is still a scenario where Zeke is cut this offseason so his 2022 salary of 16.5 doesn't become guaranteed. Bob Sturm wrote a long article on this and his conclusion was to cut Zeke after this year.

The issue with giving Zeke that contract was whether he was elite or not. I don't think we can know based on this season, the real answer is his production over time going forward.


My problem with Zeke is lack of big plays. Even Pollard can crack big plays.

This grind it out style that he plays is a 50/50 brand of football.
 

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That's a bold strategy, cotton. Let's see how it works out for him.


Henry is just all about 1 cutting and getting up field and getting to top speed.. That’s all he’s got but he’s great at it.

Dude has no agility or anything.. Just 1 cut, get to top speed, and try to truck.
 

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Cowboys 2016 NFL Draft
#4 - Zeke Elliot
#34 - Jaylon Smith (would miss 2016 and has been trash since)
#67 - Malik Collins (Currently plays for the LV Raiders)
#101 - Charles Tapper (Currently no longer in the NFL)
#135 - Dak Prescott
#189 - Anthony Brown
#212 - Kavon Frazier (Currently plays for the Dolphins)
#217 - Rico Gathers (Currently a free agent)

So we basically passed on Ramsey even though secondary was a massive need to pick a RB. We picked a LB that would miss a year and has never really been very good with our second round pick even though we had our choice of Myles Jack, Deion Jones and a lot more to pick from.

4 of those 8 guys selected are either playing on another team or don't even play in the league anymore.

Just look at this draft and tell me how anyone can say that the idiots who did this knew what they were doing or had any idea how to evaluate talent?

BTW - to add some perspective Tyreek Hill was selected at #165, Derrick Henry would go #45 - in fact after Elliot was drafted at #4 a RB would not be taken until Henry was drafted at #45. So worst case scenario, the Cowboys pass Elliot and pick Ramsey and pick Henry at #34 and best case they pick Ramsey at #4 and pick Elliot at #34. This is how horrible this front office, Jerry, Stephen and the rest of the clowns are.
 

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Henry is just all about 1 cutting and getting up field and getting to top speed.. That’s all he’s got but he’s great at it.

Dude has no agility or anything.. Just 1 cut, get to top speed, and try to truck.

Which is why he's so perfect in their zone scheme. Which is almost exactly what we ran with Callahan. I'd love to get back to that.
 

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Cowboys 2016 NFL Draft
#4 - Zeke Elliot
#34 - Jaylon Smith (would miss 2016 and has been trash since)
#67 - Malik Collins (Currently plays for the LV Raiders)
#101 - Charles Tapper (Currently no longer in the NFL)
#135 - Dak Prescott
#189 - Anthony Brown
#212 - Kavon Frazier (Currently plays for the Dolphins)
#217 - Rico Gathers (Currently a free agent)

So we basically passed on Ramsey even though secondary was a massive need to pick a RB. We picked a LB that would miss a year and has never really been very good with our second round pick even though we had our choice of Myles Jack, Deion Jones and a lot more to pick from.

4 of those 8 guys selected are either playing on another team or don't even play in the league anymore.

Just look at this draft and tell me how anyone can say that the idiots who did this knew what they were doing or had any idea how to evaluate talent?

BTW - to add some perspective Tyreek Hill was selected at #165, Derrick Henry would go #45 - in fact after Elliot was drafted at #4 a RB would not be taken until Henry was drafted at #45. So worst case scenario, the Cowboys pass Elliot and pick Ramsey and pick Henry at #34 and best case they pick Ramsey at #4 and pick Elliot at #34. This is how horrible this front office, Jerry, Stephen and the rest of the clowns are.

I dont think you'll find anyone defending the front office, my dude.
 

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Henry is just all about 1 cutting and getting up field and getting to top speed.. That’s all he’s got but he’s great at it.

Dude has no agility or anything.. Just 1 cut, get to top speed, and try to truck.

That's all you need when you are built like a Mack truck.
 

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From a marketing standpoint, King Henry is better than Zeke's "Feed Me" too. Jerry has to be upset.
 

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I dont think you'll find anyone defending the front office, my dude.

And yet every year it's praising this useless brain trust of another terrific draft. Every year they put spam in front of you and tell you that it's fillet mignon.
 

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My problem with Zeke is lack of big plays. Even Pollard can crack big plays.

This grind it out style that he plays is a 50/50 brand of football.
I just think it is emphasized in the RB room You that plus yardage is always better then negative. That east west running isn’t gonna sustain drives. Pollard gets chuck yardage. When he is on the field the other team more likely worried about stopping the pass and doesn’t load the box. I’ve seen zeke do the same kind of things pollard has done. I just think that’s not the TB Dallas is asking him to be. He is a grinder a horse and the other RB is replaceable in the cowboys eyes.
 

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And yet every year it's praising this useless brain trust of another terrific draft. Every year they put spam in front of you and tell you that it's fillet mignon.

They drafted three guys who played in a Pro Bowl plus a solid Nickel CB. Can you list the Fillet Mignon drafts other teams had that year?

Read any draft publication and it will say that draft was one of the best of all time, but here its "spam".
 

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And yet every year it's praising this useless brain trust of another terrific draft. Every year they put spam in front of you and tell you that it's fillet mignon.

It takes years to evaluate a draft. I don't think there is anything wrong with fans being excited about potential when it happens. That's pretty cynical. What's the point in watching/discussing otherwise. This team has actually been above average drafting, even with some rocky years in there. Hell, even the infallible Patriots have bombed their last few drafts.

Being excited about the potential of incoming talent and heralding the ownership/GM are two grossly different things. I think most people realize when the Dallas GM hits on a player (Dak) it's in spite of himself. I've not seen anyone praise GM Jerry in years though.
 

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They drafted three guys who played in a Pro Bowl plus a solid Nickel CB. Can you list the Fillet Mignon drafts other teams had that year?

Read any draft publication and it will say that draft was one of the best of all time, but here its "spam".

Explain what team takes not 1 but 3 guys in a single draft that have serious medical issues and/or completely raw person who has never played football ever - some of these were taken with very high picks? Jaylon Smith given his injury would never have been drafter in the second round let alone the 3rd or 4th round by any team - explain how drafting that guy in the second round was beneficial for this team? Explain how taking a guy like Tapper with his medical problems of any value for this team?
 
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