Derrick Henry vs Ezekiel Elliott

CouchCoach said:

You can argue taking a RB at 4 but not him. He was, by far, the top rated back and a true feature back at OSU. There was just as much buzz off his blocking and Romo was coming off an injury, I couldn't argue the pick at all.

Now, I will argue about capitulating on his hold out with 2 years left on his contract. They knew they had some high ticket players coming up and should have known having the triplets in the 3 highest paid would mean trouble. 15M in a RB vs 7.5 in 2 OL. Build the OL right and there are 50 backs that can run behind it. Just ask Mike Shanahan.

Click to expand...

There is no doubt whatsoever that Jerry should've just let Z sit out for 2 years and make zero dollars. I wouldn't pay anyone who holds out while under contract. Maybe Emmit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jake said:

Your weekly Derrick Henry thread, ladies and gentlemen.

Click to expand...

Yep, they keep popping up, despite the fact it's not exactly in dispute that Henry is playing better at this point than Zeke. So, what's the point?

OmerV said:

Yep, they keep popping up, despite the fact it's not exactly in dispute that Henry is playing better at this point than Zeke. So, what's the point?

Click to expand...

That’s not a profound take.

If that’s your perspective then explain what’s the point of actually discussing anything on a football message board when fans can’t impact the outcomes outside of merchandise sales or attendance?

kskboys said:

There is no doubt whatsoever that Jerry should've just let Z sit out for 2 years and make zero dollars. I wouldn't pay anyone who holds out while under contract. Maybe Emmit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Click to expand...

Precedence has been set with Booger being a blinker with Bryant and Lawrence and Elliott's agent knew about Booger's love of his stars. His rep with agents is why the Prescott deal didn't get done on time.

OmerV said:

Yep, they keep popping up, despite the fact it's not exactly in dispute that Henry is playing better at this point than Zeke. So, what's the point?

Click to expand...

The point is they should have taken Henry in the 2nd instead of Elliott in the 1st and we should turn back the clock. If we're going to do that, I say we go back further and get Moss. Anyone for Brady? We could use a 5th rounder on him.

Like to see anyone run behind this oline. If we ever run the ball instead of reverses

quickccc said:

- Henry has broken Ravens vaulted defense Twice now - In 2019 playoffs (as upset under-dogs)..and he did so again with 28 carries for 133 including the game winning TD run
- Colts did not surrender a 100 yrd rusher this year until Henry romped them for 133 yrds on 27 carries.

- I haven't jolted up Derrick's 20, 30 and 40+ yrd splash yards over the last 3 years ..vs whatever Zeke has acculumated as 20+ yrds splash yrds but i'm willing to
bet it's head and shoulders distances between the two.

- and I'm willing to bet Cleveland's Nick Chubb has even surpassed Zeke's splash runs counts over the last 2 years,... at a distance
Sadly truth be told, I no longer look forward to Zeke producing game breaking runs

Click to expand...

You're missing the whole point of this post. NOBODY is saying Zeke is running like he did in 2016. He's not, that's fact, just look at the stats.
What they're complaining about is that he no longer does it, and therefore they're upset at what he's getting paid. But he was paid based MOSTLY on what he had done before the contract extension - 2 rushing titles, average well over 1,200 yards a year (extrapolating his season with the 6 game suspension), blocking skills, etc. and also on what you could expect, based on his previous years, to do the same or similar in the next few years. If you don't think, as Sydia and a few others have, that you NEVER pay that kind of money to a running back, then what he's doing now makes no difference, he was "behind the 9 ball" from the get-go, no matter what he did he shouldn't have been paid.

No he's not doing as well as Henry is, this year, and maybe the year before. But IT DOESN'T MATTER, he got the extension, that's not changing.

If you've given up on Zeke, fine, that's your view. But if he returns to form next year, with Smith and Collins back alone, even if nothing else changes, don't come here lauding him, because you didn't give him a chance. If he doesn't return to form, then I'll be the first to say you were all right. I just choose not to ignore other factors involved in his performance and complain about things that we can't do anything about...

LACowboysFan1 said:

But if he returns to form next year, with Smith and Collins back alone

Click to expand...

If he does that we will know that signing a RB who can be replaced by any 3rd rounder in the NFL draft was a waste. Basically we are paying Zeke for the fact that he won a couple of rushing titles and if that was the Cowboys front office's reasoning then that should tell us that this team has no interest in fielding a winner. Sorry, Zeke was paid for his services during his rookie contract years. Not like the guy was playing for free was he? To sit here and now claim that well his current contract is for the way he ran three or four years ago. That's total bs - his current contract is to ensure that he keeps playing the way he used to. Outside of a marriage contract who structures a contract based on past performance? It's entirely paid to keep performing.

superonyx said:

Not sure how Derrick Henry playing well is an L for us.

Thats some self hating logic you are stuck in.

Click to expand...

Zeke doesnt even belong in the conversation as any of these great backs.

Zeke hasnt been himself and may have lost some steps.

But whose to say he doesnt want to win and he doesnt care? Ive never understood that.

CalPolyTechnique said:

That’s not a profound take.

If that’s your perspective then explain what’s the point of actually discussing anything on a football message board when fans can’t impact the outcomes outside of merchandise sales or attendance?

Click to expand...

But there is nothing to discuss on this point.

Poster 1: Henry is playing better than Zeke.
Poster 2: Yep
Poster 3: What a great discussion. I'm going to start a new thread on the same topic so we can have this discussion again.

CouchCoach said:

The point is they should have taken Henry in the 2nd instead of Elliott in the 1st and we should turn back the clock. If we're going to do that, I say we go back further and get Moss. Anyone for Brady? We could use a 5th rounder on him.

Click to expand...

That's right. We are all geniuses with hindsight.

As you, and most of us know, pretending foresight should have been as clear as hindsight is a waste of time. With hindsight I can look at every draft of every team in every year and find people it would have been better to draft. Henry wasn't taken until the middle of the 2nd round. A lot of teams would have a different viewpoint on him now than they did then.

And people should remember that for a few years it looked like Elliott was clearly the better guy. It took 4 years before anyone started talking about Henry being the better player, and now that's the case we are going to suddenly act like the Cowboys should have known all along? Every NFL team would have taken Zeke long before Henry back in 2016.

CouchCoach said:

The point is they should have taken Henry in the 2nd instead of Elliott in the 1st and we should turn back the clock. If we're going to do that, I say we go back further and get Moss. Anyone for Brady? We could use a 5th rounder on him.

Click to expand...

well that and I think its more of just a rebuttal to all the zeke apologist who always have an excuse. Its just like the Dak apologist and Romo apologist and Garrett apologist. Or maybe its the frustrated fan who just want to be right about something and have nothing better to do at the time because they've been stuck inside their house since March and their favorite football team sucks posterior.

Hell I dont know what it is!

I know I was angry in 2016 when they drafted him at 4. Happy in 2016 less happy in 2017 but still ok. It has gotten progressively worse for me and once the contract got extended and Ive seen how well Henry has performed, and see what appears to be an IDGAF attitude from our boy coupled with so many people telling me that Zeke is the engine. I just feel the need to remind folks that this is why you don't draft a RB that high. IT WAS ALWAYS THE LINE.

Ekspozed said:

Zeke hasnt been himself and may have lost some steps.

But whose to say he doesnt want to win and he doesnt care? Ive never understood that.

Click to expand...

Does he look like a guy who cares? Does he play like a guy who cares? He took a big baby fit to get all the money he could then he flat out stopped trying. It really is that simple. Not sure what the point of defending him is other than blind homerism.

OmerV said:

But there is nothing to discuss on this point.

Poster 1: Henry is playing better than Zeke.
Poster 2: Yep
Poster 3: What a great discussion. I'm going to start a new thread on the same topic so we can have this discussion again.

Click to expand...

That’s pretty laughable given the thread is 13 pages now.

But please, feel free to try and be the arbiter of what’s “okay” to be discussed on a free forum, lulz.

Kumala808 said:

Like to see anyone run behind this oline. If we ever run the ball instead of reverses

Click to expand...

I would go in the opposite direction.

Ekspozed said:

Zeke hasnt been himself and may have lost some steps.

But whose to say he doesnt want to win and he doesnt care? Ive never understood that.

Click to expand...

Folks who don't understand how hard they work off camera to even be relevant let alone play at a high level. They think they just show up on gameday because that's all they know and/or see. Or, some other ignorant agenda.

CalPolyTechnique said:

That’s pretty laughable given the thread is 13 pages now.

But please, feel free to try and be the arbiter of what’s “okay” to be discussed on a free forum, lulz.

Click to expand...

lol, yes, there are sometimes threads that have 13 pages even with a poor or repetitive topic, usually either because there are people that find poor and repetitive topics easier than ones that require thought, or the discussion veers off in direction that allows for some discussion the thread topic does not. I can name a couple of posters that could fill 13 pages by themselves typing some form of "Dak Sucks" over and over again.

OmerV said:

That's right. We are all geniuses with hindsight.

As you, and most of us know, pretending foresight should have been as clear as hindsight is a waste of time. With hindsight I can look at every draft of every team in every year and find people it would have been better to draft. Henry wasn't taken until the middle of the 2nd round. A lot of teams would have a different viewpoint on him now than they did then.

And people should remember that for a few years it looked like Elliott was clearly the better guy. It took 4 years before anyone started talking about Henry being the better player, and now that's the case we are going to suddenly act like the Cowboys should have known all along? Every NFL team would have taken Zeke long before Henry back in 2016.

Click to expand...

There was no contest between Elliott and Henry in 2016 but they weren't the same kind of back or used the same in their respective offenses.

I do think something happened with Elliott, some epiphany he had about his skill set and endurance level and that's when he decided to go for the money than wait because what would happen if he had waited? I think he listened to his body that was telling him he was running it out of gas.

There was a play he made in the last year of that rookie contract, a hurdle, that he got up looking funny and hasn't really had that same explosive burst. He came down really hard on the turf and I wondered at the time if there was anything residual from that. Maybe it was just an awakening that if he continued to do that, he would get injured, just a matter of time.

Kumala808 said:

Like to see anyone run behind this oline. If we ever run the ball instead of reverses

Click to expand...

Henry is running great but I do not believe his style would be great with Moore’s offense.