We haven’t been bad enough to be really good

I see people here complaining that we never win anything and never advance in the post season. Some of those same people root for mediocrity and cherish every win in a horrible year. Fewer wins equal higher draft position.

I just looked up the regular season win totals from 2000 through 2018 and we had the 13th most wins during that time. Easily in the top half.

If you look at 2010-2018 we actually were even better at 11th overall in regular season wins. The problem, as I see it is that we are seldom terrible. Mediocrity leaves you with a middle of the round draft pick? Where most of the blue chip players are already gone.

What would this team have looked like with Aaron Donald? Khalil Mack? Etc.

Ive said this alot

this team isnt one of the perennial 4-12 teams we are a 8-13 win team every year and weve only had 3 losing seasons since 2005......this year will more than likely be the 4th

the issue is we arent a superbowl contender either.....I grew up with the 90s cowboys and it sucks that ive seen a dynasty and now its just 8-13 wins a year and bounced in the divisional if we go

and I really cant say how we would look with Donald or Mack.....do we use coach them to their fullest potential?

5 years ago they were 4-12. That has since lead to 2 playoff appearances with 1 playoff win.That high pick was wasted on a running back who is a huge cap space eater with horrible production. It doesn’t matter with Jerrah steering the ship.

Verdict said:

I see people here complaining that we never win anything and never advance in the post season. Some of those same people root for mediocrity and cherish every win in a horrible year. Fewer wins equal higher draft position.

I just looked up the regular season win totals from 2000 through 2018 and we had the 13th most wins during that time. Easily in the top half.

If you look at 2010-2018 we actually were even better at 11th overall in regular season wins. The problem, as I see it is that we are seldom terrible. Mediocrity leaves you with a middle of the round draft pick? Where most of the blue chip players are already gone.

What would this team have looked like with Aaron Donald? Khalil Mack? Etc.

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We have been hopelessly mediocre for 26 years. When I created a post about Tanking in week 3 everyone lost their mind and my thread was moved.
The crux of the problem is obvious. Jerry does not care about SB wins like we fans do. Lucky that I am very early 40, so I saw the 3 SB wins. I saw the culture that Jimmy ran right in my high school college days.
Ok getting back to Jerry. He does not care about SB's. He just wants to be in the news.He is happy to be be between 7-9 and 9-7. He does not like years like 2015, this year, the year we lost to the Houston Texans in their first game with David Carr.
Jerry bought this team for 150 million and now they are worth over 5 Billion, the largest cash cow in the league. He runs the front office like a mom and pop shop. He has been playing GM for a quarter of a century and now his son is also highly involved.
Jerry is a HOF, made man, has three SB's. All he cares about is "America's team", he has been trying to recreate the triplets since the first three were gone. He has no incentive to hire a GM, change the culture, and actually care about winning.
Remember two offseason's ago when the Jones were on vacation during the first week of free agency? This ownership has screwed over all the loyal fans. They don't give a S&&t about winning the SB. Winning a SB is not even considered. If Jerry cared he would have a two boardrooms full of analytics guys and gals, hire the best talent evaluators, best coach. The one area where there is no salary cap is the front office.
Jerry DOES NOT CARE ABOUT SUPER BOWLS. When will fans get it?

JayFord said:

Ive said this alot

this team isnt one of the perennial 4-12 teams we are a 8-13 win team every year and weve only had 3 losing seasons since 2005......this year will more than likely be the 4th

the issue is we arent a superbowl contender either.....I grew up with the 90s cowboys and it sucks that ive seen a dynasty and now its just 8-13 wins a year and bounced in the divisional if we go

and I really cant say how we would look with Donald or Mack.....do we use coach them to their fullest potential?

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I agree with most of what you said. I would say closer to 8-10 win team. 13 is a bit much but that's splitting hairs. I appreciate the OP's stats and the OP and you make a good point that we are in above average to good team on most seasons. The only thing I would add is I feel the lack of playoff success is hurting fan enthusiasm. 2014 we got to the divisional round just to be robbed by the refs on the Dez catch that wasn't a catch. 2016 we lost in the first playoff game. 2018 we won a game but lost to the Rams.

I would say we're a winning team stuck as far as the Wild Card round but are stuck in divisional round. We just can't get over that divisional game and a lot of us are frustrated.

I remember when Demnis Green was a coach. His Vikings teams and Arizona played great in the regular season but laid eggs in the playoffs. Same with Marty Schottenheimer(sp). Great regular seasons, no shows in the postseason.

I feel we are that type of franchise now and it's really frustrating after 25 years. I don't know if we had Mack or someone else if it would have mattered. I feel as an organization we just don't get it done. I mean we had Ware, he was dominate. Romo, TO, Dez, Murray, Prescott, Elliott (the season he was good). All players that were dominant and still stuck in the divisional round.

Problem solved!!! Thanks JJ...

We really haven’t been consistently good since ‘96. The Romo years of 2007-2015 were mostly good but his injuries derailed our ability to stay good. I’d say 2016 was a fluke at this point because this group of players doesn’t seem capable of consistent production.

JayFord said:

Ive said this alot

this team isnt one of the perennial 4-12 teams we are a 8-13 win team every year and weve only had 3 losing seasons since 2005......this year will more than likely be the 4th

the issue is we arent a superbowl contender either.....I grew up with the 90s cowboys and it sucks that ive seen a dynasty and now its just 8-13 wins a year and bounced in the divisional if we go

and I really cant say how we would look with Donald or Mack.....do we use coach them to their fullest potential?

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Right. The regular season win thing between 2010-2018 is very overrated. They missed the playoffs 6 of those 9 seasons. We have been just good enough to not be awful.

Look at the Cowboys teams between 1966-82- a 17 season run that had them win a whopping 20 playoff games, and make the playoffs every single year except one. They played in 12 conference championship games over those 17 years and played in 5 SBs, winning 2. The 1991-96 Cowboys won 12 playoff games in 6 seasons, played in 4 straight NFC championships and won 3 SBs.

We all know what we’ve done the last 25 seasons. 3 playoff wins. There’s no way around it. The Cowboys just haven’t been close to competing when it counts.

Had huge arguments w/ my buddes around the end of the 90's. I wanted to trade away some talent and start over. Instead, 25 years of mediocrity.

kskboys said:

Had huge arguments w/ my buddes around the end of the 90's. I wanted to trade away some talent and start over. Instead, 25 years of mediocrity.

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I believe the fundamental misunderstanding that Jerry still has is he believes we won those 90s SBs mainly because of the triplets. Instead of understanding that the difference makers weren’t stars. He still thinks the same way. He wouldn’t know a key role player if it bit in his backside.

I dont think Jerry is all that involved in the day to day operations of the team. I don’t think he has been for some time

Verdict said:

I see people here complaining that we never win anything and never advance in the post season. Some of those same people root for mediocrity and cherish every win in a horrible year. Fewer wins equal higher draft position.

I just looked up the regular season win totals from 2000 through 2018 and we had the 13th most wins during that time. Easily in the top half.

If you look at 2010-2018 we actually were even better at 11th overall in regular season wins. The problem, as I see it is that we are seldom terrible. Mediocrity leaves you with a middle of the round draft pick? Where most of the blue chip players are already gone.

What would this team have looked like with Aaron Donald? Khalil Mack? Etc.

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I have long bellyached about mediocrity and its subsequent path to mediocrity in the draft and in play.
It's not new this conjecture on being fair to modeling. It, in fact, has gotten old.

As a fan I do like the fact that we are always in the discussion for NFC East title but it for the most is false hope because we haven’t fielded a team that truly was title contenders with perhaps about 4 or 5 years exception and in those years we were reliant on 1 side of the ball

Verdict said:

I see people here complaining that we never win anything and never advance in the post season. Some of those same people root for mediocrity and cherish every win in a horrible year. Fewer wins equal higher draft position.

I just looked up the regular season win totals from 2000 through 2018 and we had the 13th most wins during that time. Easily in the top half.

If you look at 2010-2018 we actually were even better at 11th overall in regular season wins. The problem, as I see it is that we are seldom terrible. Mediocrity leaves you with a middle of the round draft pick? Where most of the blue chip players are already gone.

What would this team have looked like with Aaron Donald? Khalil Mack? Etc.

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hasnt seemed to bother teams like Seattle, Pitt, or GB

The past four seasons we have had good rosters and every year should have been winning records with only two team in the division. I appreciate that a lot of people hate Tony Romo on here for whatever strange reason(s), I suppose if there's a reason to dislike him it's that he made several teams that should have been winning around 4 games a season actually competitive enough to win at least 8 games a season. As a result we didn't secure the real blue chip draft picks.

This isn't the 23 years of winning seasons under Landry. Hence, we've had several years, perhaps more than 20 to get high draft picks. Where are all the championships from those draft picks?

Just stop this ridiculous notion about high draft picks. This front office has been average at best picking talent.

Verdict said:

I dont think Jerry is all that involved in the day to day operations of the team. I don’t think he has been for some time

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And that's the problem. He isn't, but then wants to make decisions. Which means we have a completely uninformed guy making major decisions as a GM.

GMO415 said:

This isn't the 23 years of winning seasons under Landry. Hence, we've had several years, perhaps more than 20 to get high draft picks. Where are all the championships from those draft picks?

Just stop this ridiculous notion about high draft picks. This front office has been average at best picking talent.

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Jerry traded away those draft picks, or used them on limited athletes such as Roy Williams.

ghst187 said:

hasnt seemed to bother teams like Seattle, Pitt, or GB

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Of course. However, those teams don't take injured LB's and slow TE's in the 2nd round. They gladly lap up the D trench guys that we leave sitting there because we prefer flash.

We have been good but not great. The front office does just enough to be good in the regular season but doesn't help enough to push them to wins in the post season.