Anyone else warming up to Chase?

stilltheguru

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Good analysis here...and I’m not saying taking Chase is my preference I just think it warrants some discussion.

I think there’s a chance Sewell and Parsons could be gone when we pick and if there isn’t a trade down partner I just don’t know how comfortable I am reaching on the next top defender over Chase.
It doesn't.....
At all but I'll let yall cook.
 

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The more I think about the possibility of selecting Chase with our top selection the more I'm warming up to it. I totally understand the defense is the main problem but unfortunately the top end of this draft is really weak in defenders outside of Parsons.

Chase would give us a young, elite pair of WRs for the future and would give us financial flex to not have to extend Gallup.

Having Lamb and Chase on rookie deals would hopefully allow us to use that money saved and attack FA defenders.

Thoughts?

Weren't you bashing me for saying we need to sign Amari over Byron?

Amari is overpaid, and yes he's had crap QB's but he is not worth the contract. I just can't wait until the end of next year so we can let him walk and invest that money eslewhere.
Zeke
Jaylon
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By all that's holy, another WR? By all means, if super bowl contention is not in your plans. What's round 2, an injured LB, a druggie pass rusher, or a slow TE?
 

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Weren't you bashing me for saying we need to sign Amari over Byron?

Amari is overpaid, and yes he's had crap QB's but he is not worth the contract. I just can't wait until the end of next year so we can let him walk and invest that money eslewhere.
Zeke
Jaylon
Cooper
In the next 2 years will all be gone!

I dont think so...I was always in Byron’s corner and was really hoping we would extend him.

I mean all FAs are essentially overpaid...I think Amari has been a stud albeit he’s had to battle through some injuries. He’s on pace for another 1K Yard season playing with awful QB play.
 

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By all that's holy, another WR? By all means, if super bowl contention is not in your plans. What's round 2, an injured LB, a druggie pass rusher, or a slow TE?

Not at all...trying to take what the draft gives us and get the best talent available.

Who do you like in the top 7? And let’s say we don’t have a trade down partner.
 

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Weren't you bashing me for saying we need to sign Amari over Byron?

Amari is overpaid, and yes he's had crap QB's but he is not worth the contract. I just can't wait until the end of next year so we can let him walk and invest that money eslewhere.
Zeke
Jaylon
Cooper
In the next 2 years will all be gone!

I'm with you on the other contracts though...I can't wait to get Zeke and Jaylon off the books.
 

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Gallup is a FA after next season.:.and will likely warrant 6-8 million to resign. His contract is wrapping up sooner than most think.

I’d prefer to draft Chase with the intent of letting Gallup walk but if we could trade Cooper I’m open to that as well.

You keep on drafting these high WR's, you are going to eventually have to pay them. Much rather resign a receiver to that 6-8 range, then 20.
 

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You keep on drafting these high WR's, you are going to eventually have to pay them. Much rather resign a receiver to that 6-8 range, then 20.

Not necessarily...that's half the point of taking Chase. You don't have to resign Gallup who will likely cost a bit more than the rookie contract you'd be taking on. I'd also argue that Chase is like an upgrade of whatever WR you're signing in that 6-8 million range (someone like Gallup).

You then have 2 really, really good WRs on rookie contracts and you spend the money elsewhere in FA.
 

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I don’t think you have to move Coop but I’d be open to it. Chase may not be a top 5 talent in every draft but I think he’s on of the best 5/7 players this year and is clear WR1.

I like Waddle, but not in the top 20. If I’m taking a WR this early I want to feel like he can be a 1. Like Ruggs this past year, I think Waddle will be a complimentary WR at the next level and I don’t like the idea of drafting a smallish, complimentary WR that early.

Waddle is hurt now and Ruggs has already been hurt this year so there’s some durability concerns.
Ruggs is the Raiders most important receiver because of what he opens up for them. If you can draft a guy who makes other players on offense better as well, he's worth more than his own production. It's similar to Cooper/Zeke when he arrived. But Waddle's a better prospect than Ruggs and is more complete, he can be a #1.

Waddle's injury was a fluke, like Dak's.
 

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Ruggs is the Raiders most important receiver because of what he opens up for them. If you can draft a guy who makes other players on offense better as well, he's worth more than his own production. It's similar to Cooper/Zeke when he arrived. But Waddle's a better prospect than Ruggs and is more complete, he can be a #1.

Waddle's injury was a fluke, like Dak's.

I get it...but after a season or 2 you want to see a bit more production from such a high pick. I'd also argue that the hit rate of those kind of WRs turning into 1s or having a long productive career are very slim.

Just a different perspective- like the player but not that early.
 

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The more I think about the possibility of selecting Chase with our top selection the more I'm warming up to it. I totally understand the defense is the main problem but unfortunately the top end of this draft is really weak in defenders outside of Parsons.

Chase would give us a young, elite pair of WRs for the future and would give us financial flex to not have to extend Gallup.

Having Lamb and Chase on rookie deals would hopefully allow us to use that money saved and attack FA defenders.

Thoughts?
Yes, but you have to squeeze some defenders out of Gallup and Cooper trades IMO. Gallup in 2021 and Cooper in 2022.

You are also absolutely correct in having 2 elite young WR's on rookie deals. Very strong position to be in. However I do feel it would be very important to make deals with Gallup and Cooper
 

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Yes, but you have to squeeze some defenders out of Gallup and Cooper trades IMO. Gallup in 2021 and Cooper in 2022.

You are also absolutely correct in having 2 elite young WR's on rookie deals. Very strong position to be in. However I do feel it would be very important to make deals with Gallup and Cooper

Oh I agree 100%...if we do this you allocate the saved dollars on defense in FA. I'm not sure what the upcoming FA group looks like but regardless of the draft I hope we're active...we HAVE to be. It also frees you up in the draft.
 

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You keep on drafting these high WR's, you are going to eventually have to pay them. Much rather resign a receiver to that 6-8 range, then 20.
Lol. These $6-8m guys don't exist unless they are 30+ or just not very good. The floor for a good top-2 WR who isn't on a rookie deal is $10m.
 

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Lol. These $6-8m guys don't exist unless they are 30+ or just not very good. The floor for a good top-2 WR who isn't on a rookie deal is $10m.
Agree, is closer to the 10 million range.
 

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Lol. These $6-8m guys don't exist unless they are 30+ or just not very good. The floor for a good top-2 WR who isn't on a rookie deal is $10m.

I just looked at some recent WR contracts and geez you’re right...there are some seriously overpaid dudes who are basically average 2s.
I think that almost helps the case for someone like Chase but I understand people wanting to go another direction. Just wish there were more defensive options of his caliber.
 
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